Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[pevergreen]

It is a loss because if Kage is who he says he is, then we have probably lost our best saber fighter. The only way for us to win is if we lynch the Sith master and the Dark One and have someone kill the apprentice. The apprentice at this point is probably also a Jedi master so we would need someone strong to kill him. If the master dies, what is to stop the apprentice from being the new master and recruiting someone again?

If we kill the master the apprentice doesnt get the better recruiting power straight away. We can hope that he fails to recruit.

We need to kill the dark one, so do the sith.

Judging from the rest of your comment, it would probably be a good idea to send you and Beef Monster a role reveal. You want it?

Yeah sure why not.

edit:

Unless ig, or a force ghost has asked you to do someting, please do anything besides vigilante kills. We need to control the kill count, keep it low.

[Csargo]

Vote:Warman

Lynching Kage is a bad idea imo. I don't see any difference in posting under pressure from him that is unusual for Kage.

[Nightbringer]

What I am going to do however, is vote: Nightbringer His last post struck me as off. I find it strange he would much rather see me off'ed over Kagemusha, but at this point is keeping his vote on khazzar, which is only going to help Kagemusha get lynched. How come you won't vote for me unless there is a bandwagon Nightbringer? Is that part of your attempt to blend in perhaps?

Struck you as off? Perhaps because I am advocating killing you. And I can easily explain not changing my vote right away. Personally, I had seen more in the khazaar case i made than the one against you, so i would hope that some other town would support me on that.

However, after that last post, I think I will unvote, vote:Frozen in Ice just because you seem to want me to soo much!
No, seriously, you are making yourself look scummier to me with every post. This one seems to be a blatant attempt to deflect votes off of yourself onto me.

[Nightbringer]

Vote:Warman

Lynching Kage is a bad idea imo. I don't see any difference in posting under pressure from him that is unusual for Kage.

vote Frozen in Ice or Khazaar then, please. What reason is there for getting rid of warman when these two have been scumming it up?

ACIN, I would also like to appeal to you to vote for one of these two. If you disagree with the reasons for doing so i understand, but you too dont seem to see much in the case against kage.

[a completely inoffensive name]

vote Frozen in Ice or Khazaar then, please. What reason is there for getting rid of warman when these two have been scumming it up?

ACIN, I would also like to appeal to you to vote for one of these two. If you disagree with the reasons for doing so i understand, but you too dont seem to see much in the case against kage.

I have reason to believe he is who he says he is from a PM conversation I had with him. I will think about who I am going to vote for a bit longer.

[Choxorn]

The apprentice at this point is probably also a Jedi master so we would need someone strong to kill him.

Probably? Everyone alive is a Jedi Master right now. (Except Iggy, he's a Grandmaster)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Probably? Everyone alive is a Jedi Master right now. (Except Iggy, he's a Grandmaster)

Some of them are also Sith.

[Nightbringer]

Some of them are also Sith.

wait a minute, how would you know that!?! smells of prefect information syndrome to me.
SCUM! SCUM!
lynch him!
vote... ATPG

[Double A]

Some of them are also Sith.

Such as?

[Askthepizzaguy]

wait a minute, how would you know that!?! smells of prefect information syndrome to me.
SCUM! SCUM!
lynch him!
vote... ATPG

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[pevergreen]

Vote you in a minute.

dead player indeed.

If everyone would please inform me, beefy or Ig of what they play to do tonight, that would be great. Then we can see what matches up etc.

[Csargo]

vote Frozen in Ice or Khazaar then, please. What reason is there for getting rid of warman when these two have been scumming it up?

ACIN, I would also like to appeal to you to vote for one of these two. If you disagree with the reasons for doing so i understand, but you too dont seem to see much in the case against kage.

What have they done exactly? Look at what warman has posted.

[Nightbringer]

What have they done exactly? Look at what warman has posted.

nothing scummy as far as i can tell. If you want to see the case against frozen in ice look for god emperor's post a couple pages ago, my case on khazaar was made in the previous day phase.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I personally find it suspicious that God Emperor seemed to have laid out a good case against frozen and then got murdered so soon.

[Nightbringer]

I personally find it suspicious that God Emperor seemed to have laid out a good case against frozen and then got murdered so soon.

good point, i had wondered about that too. normally i would think that mafia would avoid doing that because it would draw this exact kind of attention, but the case didnt attract a lot of people so maybe Frozen in Ice thinks he can get away with it. Personally, i am just finding myself more of more convinced of his guilt.

[a completely inoffensive name]

good point, i had wondered about that too. normally i would think that mafia would avoid doing that because it would draw this exact kind of attention, but the case didnt attract a lot of people so maybe Frozen in Ice thinks he can get away with it. Personally, i am just finding myself more of more convinced of his guilt.

Yeah I am leaning towards Frozen now. I don't think this fact should be overlooked.

[Andres]

Not really, I figure no one can accuse me of trying to mislead the town if I just keep my mouth shut when it comes to making a stand.

Interesting. Usually, mafiosi are most concerned with avoiding to be accused of something.

Getting bad vibes from Warman. Not so sure about Kagemusha.

[Ironside]

I personally find it suspicious that God Emperor seemed to have laid out a good case against frozen and then got murdered so soon.

Don't be preposterous. That would mean that golden boy have been in contact with the Sith.

[Diamondeye]

Really? Chain lightning and lightning, according to joooray, leads to the dark side. and these attackers reminds one a lot of the people who attacked joooray a few nights ago. What makes you say they are vigilantes?

It's been established that there exists a "good" version of the common lightning, but not of the chain lightning, as far as I understand. Hence, the attacker using the normal lightning can easily be a Jedi, but the one who utilizes Chain Lightning can't. That's why I was thinking that one of them were Dark Jedi. Apart from that; Kagemusha is simply so powerful that his attackers cannot have been among the powerful anti-town roles (Sith Master, Dark One). I can't say whether one of the attackers is the apprentice, but it'd be a ridiculous way to waste a night action, especially considering that the attack was coordinated with others; they'll know who he is, and the odds of victory do not increase enough by joining here to forego an individual attack somewhere else.

Kagemusha is simply too strong in mastery of the blade to be a Sith Lord or the Dark One (unless of course, one of them is proficient in both skills ). Otherwise, there would have been much more people who fell by the blade.

Why would this not be the case? Did you see pever's post with holocron quotes?

Well it seems like no one wants to test out Kagemusha's Force Meld power, and that it isn't a sign of his innocence.

What I am going to do however, is vote: Nightbringer His last post struck me as off. I find it strange he would much rather see me off'ed over Kagemusha, but at this point is keeping his vote on khazzar, which is only going to help Kagemusha get lynched. How come you won't vote for me unless there is a bandwagon Nightbringer? Is that part of your attempt to blend in perhaps?

Also another thing:

So we know that a Sith's defensive saber can be any color, but do we know if their offensive saber has to be red? If that were the case we could clear a lot of the vigilantes from being Sith.

I don't know... It's been established that all red sabers are sith, but now that I think about it, has the reverse been stated directly, or is that just a faulty conclusion?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Interesting. Usually, mafiosi are most concerned with avoiding to be accused of something.

Getting bad vibes from Warman. Not so sure about Kagemusha.

I am concerned with avoiding to be accused of something because lets be honest, I'm not a real "team player" when it comes to being a townie and one game I got lynched early simply because I voiced how I wanted the town to be more decentralized instead of following the "leaders". So, can you blame me for keeping my mouth shut from then on?

Don't be preposterous. That would mean that golden boy have been in contact with the Sith.

I think that is the case. I think that gold sabered guy was the Sith apprentice and he is obviously the saber guy with the master being a force power focused guy. The rest are foolish groupings of vigilantes who want to kill the "obvious" suspects.

Vote: Frozen the Sith have gotten this far because they have continuously been hiding under our noses pushing out half truths to spin the blame on the more powerful jedi. Laying low as Andre says is par for the course of the Mafia and Frozen hasn't been as active as he should be.

You guys want me to participate, here it is. Take it or leave it.

[Andres]

I am concerned with avoiding to be accused of something because lets be honest, I'm not a real "team player" when it comes to being a townie and one game I got lynched early simply because I voiced how I wanted the town to be more decentralized instead of following the "leaders". So, can you blame me for keeping my mouth shut from then on?

Ah, but it's good to voice your opinion, even if it's completely different than what the majority of the players think or say. A dissenting opinion is often refreshing and forces everybody to look at things from a different perspective. One bad experience with town lynching you for being "different" shouldn't hold you back to voice your opinion in future games.

At the end of each game, more townies than mafiosi have been lynched. So yes, it will happen a lot that you'll be lynched by your own team, no matter what you say or do. That's how it goes in these games. That shouldn't be a reason not to play along. Besides, in this game, roles are revealed after dead, so if you're innocent, you can say: "I told you so!"

[Andres]

Vote: Frozen the Sith have gotten this far because they have continuously been hiding under our noses pushing out half truths to spin the blame on the more powerful jedi. Laying low as Andre says is par for the course of the Mafia and Frozen hasn't been as active as he should be.

You guys want me to participate, here it is. Take it or leave it.

See, that wasn't too difficult now, was it?

Warman has been laying low too.

[wideyedwanderer]

I haven't read all 6 pages yet (or however many there have been since the last write up) but it's late, so I'll do it in the morning. I don't want to cast a vote against someone when they may have already explained themselves and I just haven't seen it yet, so I'll hold off on voting till the morning.

[Frozen In Ice]

I think that is the case. I think that gold sabered guy was the Sith apprentice and he is obviously the saber guy with the master being a force power focused guy. The rest are foolish groupings of vigilantes who want to kill the "obvious" suspects.

Vote: Frozen the Sith have gotten this far because they have continuously been hiding under our noses pushing out half truths to spin the blame on the more powerful jedi. Laying low as Andre says is par for the course of the Mafia and Frozen hasn't been as active as he should be.

You guys want me to participate, here it is. Take it or leave it.

I wouldn't say I've been hiding. In fact this game is so good that I've been posting much more than I normally do, and I've certainly been posting more than some of the other surviving players. I'm actually very good with a lightsaber, but not so great in the force, even though I chose balanced specialization. Also my saber is blue, and not gold, but the only way of confirming these things is getting attacked as I myself have no active abilities.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I wouldn't say I've been hiding. In fact this game is so good that I've been posting much more than I normally do, and I've certainly been posting more than some of the other surviving players. I'm actually very good with a lightsaber, but not so great in the force, even though I chose balanced specialization. Also my saber is blue, and not gold, but the only way of confirming these things is getting attacked as I myself have no active abilities.

If I remember correctly a Sith has a different color light saber when defending so I can't take your word for that and I can't take you at your word for the fact you have no active abilities. I would like to believe you, and if the Sith couldn't hide their light saber color, I would have suggested a planned duel so to speak, where I would attack you telling you ahead of time what my form was so you could put up the counter form to block it and basically force me to lose the battle and run at which point we could see your lightsaber color...but we can't do that. Idk what to tell you, I just have my suspicions.

[Double A]

I don't see why they can't change their saber color. By now, they'd each have like 5 other lightsabers they took from dead Jedi, and I doubt it's that hard to change a lightsaber crystal.

[Chaotix]

I don't see why they can't change their saber color. By now, they'd each have like 5 other lightsabers they took from dead Jedi, and I doubt it's that hard to change a lightsaber crystal.

We don't even know this is possible.

How did you figure this out? Did YOU get extra lightsaber crystals when you killed Jedi?

[Kagemusha]

I dont quite understand much that is going on. Double A votes me based on accusation that was debunked yesterday. That i could not have Level IV scan.That accusation was debunked here:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053234179

By pevergreen himself.But no how do you reply at Double A´s post? You thank him for voting me because of accusation which has been proven wrong, while you could have easily debunked it. So it really does not matter what i say.You just want me dead innocent or guilty?

To Xhoxorn about investigations. Think of a simple scenario.If i am a Sith, why would i waste each night doing investigations, when my task should be to kill you all? Bit crappy tactics.

Also still huge FOS in direction of Chaotix. You still havent answer my simple questions. If you are so sure i am a Sith.Why did you not join attacking me last night? If you were not attacking me.Why did you not protect Jooray? As we all know you werent doing either. Please tell us what were you doing last night?
Your defense so far has been exactly the same as mine yesterday. That you do not want to disclose information. Those who thought yesterday that was scummy.Isnt it scummy anymore today? I urge people to put some pressure on Chaotix as he is getting a free ride while all attention is focused on me.

If i make an conclusion about my defense. I have told you what i have been doing. I have answered to any questions you have and i have also offered you a solution where i can help the town, while i can be kept under scrutiny untill my innocence is proven. None of my points have been shown false.The only answer so far has been, that we dont have time to keep me alive. Maybe from everyone alive each should raise their hands now if they have a force breath? Im sure quite many have it. So lynching scum when actually cought will not be easy task. I dont have a force breath anymore and i can be dispatched the instance town wants me dead. The same does not apply to many others alive. So i cant understand why you want to get rid of me so badly that i cant prove my innocence.Even when for example i could be protecting the grandmaster right untill he can properly scan me. What is so hard about it?

[pevergreen]

I thanked Double A for a different reason.

As for sith, why would the neurtal serial killer TinCow (in netherworld) infiltrate and work with the pro town networks?

Because he appears to be town and it kep him alive long enough to win the game.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

fos:double A