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[Reno Melitensis]

Great preview again. In Osprey's The Army of King Herod, there are mentioned that the kings also had a small contingent of Gallic Mercs as bodyguards. Where these adopted later by Herod or before bt an other Jewish Monarch.

Cheers.

[Lionheart]

They are present but not like a standalone unit. They are part of one of the units with long sword. Did you read all the descriptions that keravnos do. They are merged in one unit. Questions of space in the roster. However you could always recruit then as mercs if i'm not wrong.

[QuintusSertorius]

The Hasmoneans have piqued my interest, that roster on the first page is basically Roman, Romanised, horse-archer or barbarian. While the Ptolemaics are theoretically a Hellenistic faction, their roster is Romanised too. Precious few fighting in the style I enjoy before they came along.

[vartan]

They are present but not like a standalone unit. They are part of one of the units with long sword. Did you read all the descriptions that keravnos do. They are merged in one unit. Questions of space in the roster. However you could always recruit then as mercs if i'm not wrong.

I've heard that the ALX engine (1.9) has more space for units than RTW (1.5). Why didn't y'all take advantage of that? Because truly there is more space than necessary.

[Lionheart]

Vartan we are using the engine for barbarian invasion. We are not using rtw.

[Lionheart]

Quintus.

Also the Sertoriani are necessarely a romanised faction. Numidia and the Hasmoneans so far are pretty nationalist war-style. Pontos is very mixed and the Ptolies are pretty romanised.
But that's is happen because we are trying to follow the reality in that time-frame.

[QuintusSertorius]

Quintus.

Also the Sertoriani are necessarely a romanised faction. Numidia and the Hasmoneans so far are pretty nationalist war-style. Pontos is very mixed and the Ptolies are pretty romanised.
But that's is happen because we are trying to follow the reality in that time-frame.

Oh, absolutely, I recognise they are organised and fight that way because that's how it was. It's similar to my reservation about EB's original timeframe containing a load of pike-based Hellenistic powers, but that's the reality of the times.

But even Numidia and Pontos have Roman-style units (like their own legionary variants). The Hasmoneans strike me, at least from the previews so far, of being the most different.

[Lionheart]

True Quintus. But like you said in the I century B.C. the roman style of warfare was beeing copied for all the mediterranean areas.

But one thing that makes the Hasmoneans diferent is that until the moment in the released factions they are the less touched by the roman ways.
Altough this do not lasted long but in this time at least in the beginning they are one of the most nationalist army that could be fielded.

However some other surprises will also come...just have a little patiente and you will find other factions with types of war with little influence of the romani.

[QuintusSertorius]

True Quintus. But like you said in the I century B.C. the roman style of warfare was beeing copied for all the mediterranean areas.

But one thing that makes the Hasmoneans diferent is that until the moment in the released factions they are the less touched by the roman ways.
Altough this do not lasted long but in this time at least in the beginning they are one of the most nationalist army that could be fielded.

However some other surprises will also come...just have a little patiente and you will find other factions with types of war with little influence of the romani.

Cool, look forward to it. I like the position of the Hasmoneans too, somewhere I've not really done anything with (raided it playing as Pergamon, that's about it). Mostly I just like hoplites, thureophoroi and peltastai (as they were in EB), the Hasmoneans let me use them all.

I should be clear, I'll be playing the Romani and Sertoriani, I like the look of both factions. Playing the Romans as the superpower (rather than spending a long time building them to that point as I have done in the past) has its own appeal. As you'd guess from my choice of handle, I've always had a soft spot for Sertorius, so this is perfect getting to play out his attempt at building something in Spain. On that point, will his subordinates Hirtuleus and Herennius be Sertoriani "family members"?

[anubis88]

On that point, will his subordinates Hirtuleus and Herennius be Sertoriani "family members"?

I've researched about 8 FM's for the Sertoriani; 4 will definetly be in at the start, including the Hirtuleus brothers (well i'm still not sure about Quintus, but Lucius will definetly be in).

I haven't found any info on a Herenius tough (at least i don't remember it right now).

Do you have any more info on him? If he proves important enough i'll gladly put him in.

Thanks

[QuintusSertorius]

I've researched about 8 FM's for the Sertoriani; 4 will definetly be in at the start, including the Hirtuleus brothers (well i'm still not sure about Quintus, but Lucius will definetly be in).

I haven't found any info on a Herenius tough (at least i don't remember it right now).

Do you have any more info on him? If he proves important enough i'll gladly put him in.

Thanks

I don't have anything like proper sources; only that Goldsworthy mentions him in talking about the Sertorian War as the other main subordinate general besides Hirtuleus. He was killed by Pompey at Valentia after the traitor Perpena did nothing to aid his wing of the battle.

[vartan]

Vartan we are using the engine for barbarian invasion. We are not using rtw.

My question still stands. Replace BI where you see RTW.

[gamegeek2]

A lot more people have BI than alexander.

If you want a non-roman army, wait till you see the Nabatu...

[vartan]

A lot more people have BI than alexander.

Says who? You can have one expansion without having the other.

[QuintusSertorius]

If you want a non-roman army, wait till you see the Nabatu...

Aren't they just going to be horse archer-based like the Parthians?

Another question on the Hasmoneans, do their generals have infantry or cavalry bodyguards?

[anubis88]

I don't have anything like proper sources; only that Goldsworthy mentions him in talking about the Sertorian War as the other main subordinate general besides Hirtuleus. He was killed by Pompey at Valentia after the traitor Perpena did nothing to aid his wing of the battle.

Hm... I'll try to look into this...

btw, this is the Hasmonean bodyguard;

[Lionheart]

True Herennius was one of the officers of Sertorius. But like the great part of Sertorius officers is competence in military tasks was...well limitated.

A historian from Portugal, José Mattoso refears then in is work, however i dont have the book with me. Perhaps i can go to a library and see what we said. But without a doubt Herennius was one of the officers of Sertorius.

[QuintusSertorius]

True Herennius was one of the officers of Sertorius. But like the great part of Sertorius officers is competence in military tasks was...well limitated.

A historian from Portugal, José Mattoso refears then in is work, however i dont have the book with me. Perhaps i can go to a library and see what we said. But without a doubt Herennius was one of the officers of Sertorius.

Agreed, they always seemed at their best when under his direction.

[gamegeek2]

Aren't they just going to be horse archer-based like the Parthians?

Another question on the Hasmoneans, do their generals have infantry or cavalry bodyguards?

Not at all, my dear sir, not at all.

[QuintusSertorius]

Not at all, my dear sir, not at all.

I look forward to being surprised, then.

[Atraphoenix]

Anubis is not it possible to make previews under spoiler in the first page?

[anubis88]

Anubis is not it possible to make previews under spoiler in the first page?

I'll try to conjure up something soon... I just hope they can all stay in one page... Do you have any info on how much can a single page take?

[Lionheart]

Anubis you should edit the first page. Something need to be added.

[Tanit]

I recommend adding links to the previews in first post. There is a limited number of images which can be shown in one post, two previews easily exceeds that.

[QuintusSertorius]

Another Hasmonean-related question; what would a typical army composition look like? We've got loads of tasty-looking units to try out, but what might an "authetic" army comprise of?

[Cute Wolf]

Another Hasmonean-related question; what would a typical army composition look like? We've got loads of tasty-looking units to try out, but what might an "authetic" army comprise of?

typical late hellenistic units...

[QuintusSertorius]

typical late hellenistic units...

Which means what exactly? Presumably it's post-pike phalanx (since I can't see any in the Hasmonean roster)? Anywhere I should look to see an example?

[Lionheart]

I believe that a typical hasmonean army. Will have archers, slingers, horsearchers, tarantinoi, a lot of spear units, two or three units with machas, one unit of royal bodyguards on foot and on horse, perhaps some lanchophoroi and in late years you could ad one or two units of Sebastianoi. Plus if you conquer other regions you probably will have access to units that are regional and could ad then to your army i believe that will be the standard hasmonean army. However you will decide what your army will be.

[vartan]

Anyone have a source for the Hashm. army compositions?

[anubis88]

Anyone have a source for the Hashm. army compositions?

keravnos is the main guy in that department... But once we release the mod, i plan to add in the description of the factions what would their tipical armies look like, so that you will know how you should play a faction if you wanted maximum historical accuracy :)