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    Default Re: Nobel Peace Prize 1935/6 - Carl von Ossietzky

    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Germany's two dictatorial regimes, of which especially the legality of the legal order of the Nazi period is mostly unrecognised.
    Ah well, add in an autocratic Kaiser and not much democratic history remains.
    Two? You mean the Kaiser was a dictator? By the people he was seen as a benevolent monarch, his internal policies are often seen as better than Bismarck's.
    Sure, I'm no fan of his, but that's mostly because I blame him for our involvement in the war and a failed foreign policy, nothing to do with him being an evil dictator(except that he booted Bismarck ).


    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    An overwhelming amount of later Germans would wish their history had listened to Ossietzky, instead of to the national-conservatives.
    An overwhelming amount of Germans also wished that history had let them keep their Kaiser, and I think that is especially a high amount of those who still lived under the Kaiser. The Kaiser was so sad about being away from his beloved people that he died of misery not too long after the war, one could speculate that things could have gone a much better path had he been left in power.


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    Default Re: Nobel Peace Prize 1935/6 - Carl von Ossietzky

    Kaiser Wilhelm II died in exile in the Netherlands in 1941 at the age of 82.

    According to some, he had hoped for a return of the monarchy following the Nazi takeover in the early 30s. Hitler had no use for the man, so any such thoughts were wasted. He was not a fan of the Nazi policies towards Jews.
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    Default Re: Nobel Peace Prize 1935/6 - Carl von Ossietzky

    Kaiser Wilhelm II died in exile in the Netherlands in 1941 at the age of 82.
    Yeah, I live not five kilometers from the house where he lived and died!
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    Default Re: Nobel Peace Prize 1935/6 - Carl von Ossietzky

    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Two? You mean the Kaiser
    No, the two 'German dictatorships' are Nazi Germany and the German Democratic Republic, East Germany.

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    The Kaiser was so sad about being away from his beloved people that he died of misery not too long after the war
    Are you sure you are not mixing that up with a Disney fairy tale about some poor king who died of grief? The one where all the people cry when the king leaves and the evil stepmother is installed on the throne, until the squirrels and the frog prince set the kingdom free.


    I must inform you that reports about your beloved Kaiser soon having died of grief because he missed his people are greatly exaggerated.
    Your exiled Kaiser lived on for decades after the war, in good health, well into his eighties. Although I think we can safely assume he did grief over his lost empire and collection of pointy helmets.



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    During his last year at Doorn, Wilhelm believed that Germany was the land of monarchy and therefore of Christ and that England was the land of Liberalism and therefore of Satan and the Anti-Christ. He argued that the English ruling classes were "Freemasons thoroughly infected by Juda". Wilhelm asserted that the "British people must be liberated from Antichrist Juda. We must drive Juda out of England just as he has been chased out of the Continent."[42]

    He believed the Freemasons and Jews had caused the two world wars, aiming at a world Jewish empire with British and American gold, but that "Juda's plan has been smashed to pieces and they themselves swept out of the European Continent!"
    Continental Europe was now, Wilhelm wrote, "consolidating and closing itself off from British influences after the elimination of the British and the Jews!" The end result would be a "U.S. of Europe!"[42] In a letter to his sister Princess Margaret in 1940, Wilhelm wrote: "The hand of God is creating a new world & working miracles ... We are becoming the U.S. of Europe under German leadership, a united European Continent." He added: "The Jews [are] being thrust out of their nefarious positions in all countries, whom they have driven to hostility for centuries."
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