Results 1 to 30 of 59

Thread: Shrinking Detroit

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    has a Senior Member HoreTore's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    12,014

    Default Shrinking Detroit

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ing?CMP=twt_fd

    America has millions of homeless people. Detroit has thousands of empty houses.
    Instead of what I consider an obvious answer to both problems, the city of Detroit plans to demolish the homes....

    Could someone please explain how this is anything but insanity?

    In America, -1+1=2.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

  2. #2
    Darkside Medic Senior Member rory_20_uk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Taplow, UK
    Posts
    8,690
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    If the "logic" is the same as the UK

    You can't force people to leave where they are as this would damage social cohesion.
    It would discriminate against the homeless people forcing them to live in a deprived area.

    More prosaically, if you give them the houses, who is going to pay for the upkeep? In the UK that of course is the state. By demolishing them you are reducing future outgoings with a one off cost.

    An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
    Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
    "If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
    If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
    The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill

  3. #3
    Mr Self Important Senior Member Beskar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Albion
    Posts
    15,930
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    If the "logic" is the same as the UK

    You can't force people to leave where they are as this would damage social cohesion.
    If you are referring to a case you made before, about looking for work out of area, the problem is, the set-up costs are too great. It isn't easy abandon everyone you know, with no money to your name, to go some where strange, with even less money, no house, etc, to get a job. It only works if you are a high flier and already got a job in that area.
    Days since the Apocalypse began
    "We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
    "Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."

  4. #4
    Darkside Medic Senior Member rory_20_uk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Taplow, UK
    Posts
    8,690
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    If you are referring to a case you made before, about looking for work out of area, the problem is, the set-up costs are too great. It isn't easy abandon everyone you know, with no money to your name, to go some where strange, with even less money, no house, etc, to get a job. It only works if you are a high flier and already got a job in that area.
    The admin assistant where I work moved for the job. So did her boss. Neither are "high fliers". I'm not really, and I moved too.

    Journeymen used to do this sort of thing all the time, so it is possible, but these days any thought of discomfort makes something impossible.

    An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
    Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
    "If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
    If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
    The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill

  5. #5
    Praefectus Fabrum Senior Member Anime BlackJack Champion, Flash Poker Champion, Word Up Champion, Shape Game Champion, Snake Shooter Champion, Fishwater Challenge Champion, Rocket Racer MX Champion, Jukebox Hero Champion, My House Is Bigger Than Your House Champion, Funky Pong Champion, Cutie Quake Champion, Fling The Cow Champion, Tiger Punch Champion, Virus Champion, Solitaire Champion, Worm Race Champion, Rope Walker Champion, Penguin Pass Champion, Skate Park Champion, Watch Out Champion, Lawn Pac Champion, Weapons Of Mass Destruction Champion, Skate Boarder Champion, Lane Bowling Champion, Bugz Champion, Makai Grand Prix 2 Champion, White Van Man Champion, Parachute Panic Champion, BlackJack Champion, Stans Ski Jumping Champion, Smaugs Treasure Champion, Sofa Longjump Champion Seamus Fermanagh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Latibulm mali regis in muris.
    Posts
    11,454

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    Sadly, most of the buildings slated for demolition in Detroit are likely to be demolished anyway -- the cost of bringing them up to levels where they can get a C.O. is virtually prohibitive. Old physical plant, under-maintained and then unmaintained for years....not gonna work.

    Moreover, the non-infrastructure services in Detroit are sketchy. They have only 8 grocery stores within city limits...for 800k people.
    "The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman

    "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken

  6. #6
    Senior Member Senior Member Reenk Roink's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    4,353

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    Only reason to go to Detroit is to go down to the Joe and watch a Wings game (it's funny that the "DETROIT SUCKS" chant that Chicago fans do is applicable to basically all but what they are targeting). The Pistons wisely are in Auburn Hills and the other two teams suck. Like a couple of blocks in downtown are actually decent, but yes, that city is a very sad sight.

    Luckily, most of Detroit's suburbs are very nice. Oakland County is one of the most affluent counties in the country, plus it is the home county of yours truly.
    Last edited by Reenk Roink; 12-21-2010 at 05:44.

  7. #7
    Needs more flowers Moderator drone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Moral High Grounds
    Posts
    9,286

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    Not even the homeless want to live in Detroit.
    The .Org's MTW Reference Guide Wiki - now taking comments, corrections, suggestions, and submissions

    If I werent playing games Id be killing small animals at a higher rate than I am now - SFTS
    Si je n'étais pas jouer à des jeux que je serais mort de petits animaux à un taux plus élevé que je suis maintenant - Louis VI The Fat

    "Why do you hate the extremely limited Spartan version of freedom?" - Lemur

  8. #8
    master of the pwniverse Member Fragony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    The EUSSR
    Posts
    30,680

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by drone View Post
    Not even the homeless want to live in Detroit.
    heh my brother lived there for a while, I don't think he's going to revisit it very soon.

    @Horetore, leftist logic pur sang, you can house them there but there's no work, that is why the houses are empty deleted by SF

    1-1=0
    Last edited by Seamus Fermanagh; 12-21-2010 at 05:02.

  9. #9
    The Usual Member Ice's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Northville, Michigan
    Posts
    4,259

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ing?CMP=twt_fd

    America has millions of homeless people. Detroit has thousands of empty houses.
    Instead of what I consider an obvious answer to both problems, the city of Detroit plans to demolish the homes....

    Could someone please explain how this is anything but insanity?

    In America, -1+1=2.
    You don't understand how politics work in Detroit. Yes, it is insanity.



  10. #10
    Member Member Hax's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    The Netherlands
    Posts
    5,352

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    Ach, just sell it back to the French for a hundred dollars. They can deal with that kinda stuff!
    This space intentionally left blank.

  11. #11
    TexMec Senior Member Louis VI the Fat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Saint Antoine
    Posts
    9,935

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    Silly Gruaniad. They are too PC to say just why Detroit is sinking into poverty and why nobody wants to move in there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    Ach, just sell it back to the French for a hundred dollars. They can deal with that kinda stuff!
    No thanks.

    Lille, Marseille and Paris outside the periphery is quite enough. One can only afford so many third world metropoles.



    Detroit is the great scare of Europe. America can abandon Detroit. And it can abandon New Orleans. But one can not abandon Paris.
    The solution seems to be to physically concentrate wealth and privilege within parts of the European cities, and raise the drawbridge. I predict the return of the city wall.
    Anything unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
    Texan by birth, woodpecker by the grace of God
    I would be the voice of your conscience if you had one - Brenus
    Bt why woulf we uy lsn'y Staraft - Fragony
    Not everything
    blue and underlined is a link


  12. #12
    RIP Tosa, my trolling end now Senior Member Devastatin Dave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    7,552

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Silly Gruaniad. They are too PC to say just why Detroit is sinking into poverty and why nobody wants to move in there.

    .
    I'm not... blacks and democrats make a deadly mix for any city's infrastructure and treasury. Cold hard truth.
    RIP Tosa

  13. #13
    Darkside Medic Senior Member rory_20_uk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Taplow, UK
    Posts
    8,690
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    They're not alone. California is merely rich enough to avoid this fate for the time being by the thought of the state going belly up being too terrible for anyone to contemplate it.

    It's not the race, it's any group that feels they're better off with handouts than trying. Traditionally Democrats give more handouts so they'll be voted in.

    An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
    Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
    "If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
    If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
    The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill

  14. #14

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave View Post
    I'm not... blacks and democrats make a deadly mix for any city's infrastructure and treasury. Cold hard truth.
    Very true. Memphis is only slightly better off.

    Beautiful cities across America have been ravaged by black leadership. It is a vicious cycle. As the black leadership starts to show poor judgment, those with the resources, mostly whites, escape, leaving only poor working class blacks who habitually vote in more black leadership.
    Last edited by PanzerJaeger; 12-18-2010 at 23:06.

  15. #15
    has a Senior Member HoreTore's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    12,014

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ice View Post
    You don't understand how politics work in Detroit. Yes, it is insanity.
    The same happens in other places in the US.

    The same happens in Ireland.

    The same happens in the rest of Europe too. Heck, it happens here as well! I think it's called "capitalism" or something...
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

  16. #16
    Darkside Medic Senior Member rory_20_uk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Taplow, UK
    Posts
    8,690
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    OK, so they give the homeless the houses. Then what? Who looks after the houses?

    What is your solution to the monetary aspect of this? So far you appear to be solving hunger by giving everyone a meal.

    An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
    Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
    "If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
    If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
    The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill

  17. #17
    has a Senior Member HoreTore's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    12,014

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    OK, so they give the homeless the houses. Then what? Who looks after the houses?

    What is your solution to the monetary aspect of this? So far you appear to be solving hunger by giving everyone a meal.

    People aren't capable of looking after a house?

    Anyway, it'll be a lot better to let the houses fall into ruin with someone living inside, than letting them fall in ruin while people are living in the front yard.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

  18. #18
    Needs more flowers Moderator drone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Moral High Grounds
    Posts
    9,286

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    I'm quite surprised that this year's Devils Night didn't already solve this problem.

    Last edited by drone; 12-18-2010 at 17:16.
    The .Org's MTW Reference Guide Wiki - now taking comments, corrections, suggestions, and submissions

    If I werent playing games Id be killing small animals at a higher rate than I am now - SFTS
    Si je n'étais pas jouer à des jeux que je serais mort de petits animaux à un taux plus élevé que je suis maintenant - Louis VI The Fat

    "Why do you hate the extremely limited Spartan version of freedom?" - Lemur

  19. #19
    Darkside Medic Senior Member rory_20_uk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Taplow, UK
    Posts
    8,690
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    People aren't capable of looking after a house?

    Anyway, it'll be a lot better to let the houses fall into ruin with someone living inside, than letting them fall in ruin while people are living in the front yard.
    No they're not. There are vast number of council houses attesting to this fact.

    If people wanted to, they could have squatted in these houses. As they haven't they either have no drive or no interest in doing so.

    An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
    Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
    "If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
    If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
    The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill

  20. #20
    The Usual Member Ice's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Northville, Michigan
    Posts
    4,259

    Default Re: Shrinking Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    The same happens in other places in the US.

    The same happens in Ireland.

    The same happens in the rest of Europe too. Heck, it happens here as well! I think it's called "capitalism" or something...

    Stop talking. You are looking extremely foolish to those who know any shred of truth about the city. This isn't the fault of capitalism. In fact, capitalism is what made this city great during the first half of the 20th century.


    I'm not... blacks and democrats make a deadly mix for any city's infrastructure and treasury. Cold hard truth.
    Sadly, yes.
    Black mayors aren't any better or worse than white ones.

    The bad black mayors are (generally) the ones who get elected by race baiting; making the election about who's going to be on the side of black people.

    It's hard to feel sorry for the people of Detroit, though, since they kept on voting in idiots.

    CR
    Correct. The current mayor, Dave Bing, is black and not a bad mayor at all. He's doing his best to attempt to salvage Detroit, but I don't see it improving to the level of most American cities in my lifetime.



Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO