'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Repealed

[PanzerJaeger]

There are always interpersonal difficulties that have to be handled and overcome but adding love and sex into the mix is very dangerous if you want a reliable combat unit.

Who said anything about adding love and sex into the mix? This is about letting people do their day jobs - that they are already doing, by the way - without fear of discharge if their home lives are discovered.

[Fisherking]

Who said anything about adding love and sex into the mix? This is about letting people do their day jobs - that they are already doing, by the way - without fear of discharge if their home lives are discovered.

People are people and when you add sexual attraction into a group you are going to complicate the dynamics of the group.

It is unavoidable.

In an open and peaceful society this is not a problem but a unit going into battle need to have single focus in other directions.

It is not a matter of people being unfit or not good enough to perform their duty it is a matter of group psychology and group dynamics.

It was a very ill-conceived bit of legislation in other regards also. It will seriously deplete the recruiting pool in a voluntary force.

The intent behind it may have been good and just but it will lead to some huge problems all across the board.

You change the perception of a rough and ready fighting force into that of a gay dating service.

What kind of recruits do you expect you will get for that?

[PanzerJaeger]

People are people and when you add sexual attraction into a group you are going to complicate the dynamics of the group.

It is unavoidable.

It is avoidable. It is called self control. The military tends to weed out those that don't have it early on. Somehow the tens of thousands of gay soldiers serving now in every capacity in the military have been able to manage it. You are aware that this legislation does not sanction relationships between soldiers, correct? Gay people will still be required to maintain the standards of conduct every US soldier is required to adhere to.

It was a very ill-conceived bit of legislation in other regards also. It will seriously deplete the recruiting pool in a voluntary force.

Evidence suggests otherwise, both from other nations who have made the change and the US military's own research.

You change the perception of a rough and ready fighting force into that of a gay dating service.

No, you don't.
Gay people already serve in the US military. Everyone knows gay people already serve in the US military. I'm not sure what you think is changing here.

What kind of recruits do you expect you will get for that?

Bright young men and women who value their country far more than their petty predjudices.

Does America really want people so socially backwards and beholden to religious doctrine that they cannot bear the thought of serving with those different from themselves conducting anti-insurgency campaigns? I can only imagine how such people treat would their host populations.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Bigots always will claim that allowing a greater freedom for different people to mix in social/government constructs will make things worse by mixing things up. Vuk and the Evangelicals is just history repeating itself, he goes off on unit cohesion and gays having an insatiable sex drive, hitting on straight men in a firefight, Strom Thurmond and the social Darwinist's for a hundred years before him went off about how the negro brain is scientifically smaller/less capable then the European one and how we should not mix races to create a weak breed. Remember way back when women couldn't vote because their monthly temperamental cycle disqualified them from gaining the right to vote due to an incapacity for logical thinking?

Gays serving openly hasn't destroyed the armies of pretty much every other western country and it won't destroy ours. Miotas has spoken the most truth here, "In a few months or years no one will even care".

[Louis VI the Fat]

PAH!

I BET ALL YOU HOMOPHOBES SECRETLY DREAM OF A SHOWER, CREAMY SOAP, AND GETTING YOUR HANDS ON SOME SLIPPERY DICK.



Can you handle my slippery dick?

[Furunculus]

there was a time when a more intolerant macho culture reigned in the forces, as a magnified reflection of societies intolerance.

it would indeed have damaged unit cohesion from bullying and beasting, whereas the confirmed bachelor was quietly tolerated.

it isn't the states job to use the forces as a mechanism for 'enlightened' social engineering, it was there to defend the realm, so i supported that policy.

society changed and so has the army, it's the 21st century and this is not necessary now for all that it was always an unpleasant phenomenon.

[gaelic cowboy]

The army is just returning to it's ancient homo leanings anyway I mean come on marching around in dress uniforms and the like the ancient greeks would be delighted.