Secularists having a paddy over the KJV Bible Readings

[a completely inoffensive name]

To people still believing that nonsense Italian and French (and later British) anti-Church propaganda which contrasts a fictional religious "Dark Age" holding back precious science and philosophy with an equally fictional account of scientific "revolution" and 'enlightenment' that ended it...

PLEASE READ

http://www.amazon.com/Foundations-Mo...ef=pd_sim_b_10

http://www.amazon.com/Beginnings-Wes...ref=pd_sim_b_5

For a good background, and then:

http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Philosoph...=1O6QRM09L5RFF

For a good counter thesis to the religion opposing science and progress bunk.

Also try:

http://www.amazon.com/Origins-Modern...=1O6QRM09L5RFF

For a nice little devaluation of the later eras in favor of earlier ones.

Finally, good anthologies which contain essays on many different areas on the topic.

http://www.amazon.com/Science-Religi...=1O6QRM09L5RFF

http://www.amazon.com/Science-Religi...=1O6QRM09L5RFF

If you can't buy the books, go to a library. If you can't read, start learning.

Am I wrong in saying that that there have always been people perusing science in all ages and that religion has for the most part never been anti-science but anti-however/whatever threatens our power?

[Strike For The South]

Am I wrong in saying that that there have always been people perusing science in all ages and that religion has for the most part never been anti-science but anti-however/whatever threatens our power?

It's more this, at times the chruch has been the vangaurd of learning but mostly it seeks to quash what will disrupt its chokehold on the prole and that's usually knoweledge

[HoreTore]

Am I wrong in saying that that there have always been people perusing science in all ages and that religion has for the most part never been anti-science but anti-however/whatever threatens our power?

No.

Christian leaders have actively persecuted knowledge and science. Because it went against the church, because it came from the jews or muslims, because they saw enlightenment towards something other than god was a sin, etc etc.

To say that it is simply a "coincidence" that science had a massive revolution once christianity lost its grip on soceity is beyond delusional - its an outright lie.



....is this where I list a ton of books explaining how Communism saved the world from unchecked capitalism and fascism?

[Meneldil]

No.

Christian leaders have actively persecuted knowledge and science. Because it went against the church, because it came from the jews or muslims, because they saw enlightenment towards something other than god was a sin, etc etc.

To say that it is simply a "coincidence" that science had a massive revolution once christianity lost its grip on soceity is beyond delusional - its an outright lie.

Wow, this looks like "Radical Atheism 101 - Kindergarden Level". I'm absolutely no fan or religions (I actually loath them all), but you've written such a huge pile of clichés and other "it's common knowledge" BS in this topic it's quite mind-blowing. You sound like me when I was 15.

[HoreTore]

Wow, this looks like "Radical Atheism 101 - Kindergarden Level". I'm absolutely no fan or religions (I actually loath them all), but you've written such a huge pile of clichés and other "it's common knowledge" BS in this topic it's quite mind-blowing. You sound like me when I was 15.

Atheism 101? I fail to see what relvance it has with christianity today, what some people did centuries ago.

The 14th century catholic church has absolutely nothing to do with the catholic church of the 21th century. All those associated with the former have been dead for centuries now.

[rory_20_uk]

The 14th century catholic church has absolutely nothing to do with the catholic church of the 21th century. All those associated with the former have been dead for centuries now.

Catholics main unique selling point is their direct linkage to Peter, the first Pope (as he himself said he was and no-one else had travelled to Rome to refute this). Can the church trim the bits that don't fit in with today whilst still holding onto this tenuous link?

[HoreTore]

Catholics main unique selling point is their direct linkage to Peter, the first Pope (as he himself said he was and no-one else had travelled to Rome to refute this). Can the church trim the bits that don't fit in with today whilst still holding onto this tenuous link?

Sure it can.

Just like you could call Wankerpool a crappy team because that's what they are today, whithout being affected by the throphies they won back in the days of horrible haircuts and facial hair. Yet they are still a continuation of the team that started playing in Liverpool over a hundred years ago.

I don't really see why acknowledging the horrible crimes committed by guys wearing the pointy hats way back yesterday should affect their link to the very beginnings of the church. They could just see it as a longer version of this: good times -> some rotten years -> good times again.

[rory_20_uk]

Sure it can.

Just like you could call Wankerpool a crappy team because that's what they are today, whithout being affected by the throphies they won back in the days of horrible haircuts and facial hair. Yet they are still a continuation of the team that started playing in Liverpool over a hundred years ago.

I don't really see why acknowledging the horrible crimes committed by guys wearing the pointy hats way back yesterday should affect their link to the very beginnings of the church. They could just see it as a longer version of this: good times -> some rotten years -> good times again.

They're not a footie team. Every Pope states he speaks on behalf of God. Did God have a bad patch then? Is he having a good one now? How do we know?

Football has very simple rules to measure teams against. The Pope effectively condems thousands if not millions to die due to refusal to budge on condoms for example. Is this a bad patch - and hence should be ignored, or is this the good times when the Church is speaking for God?

[Subotan]

I'm a secularist, and I don 't care, since I know that atheist programming will get its fair share of the airwaves as well. Next "controversy" about the "creeping secularisation" of Britain, please.

[HoreTore]

By the way.....

Vuk's finals should be over by now, yet he still hasn't delivered....

[Vuk]

By the way.....

Vuk's finals should be over by now, yet he still hasn't delivered....

Yes, because you told me not to bother because you would not even read it. Did you forget that?

[HoreTore]

Yes, because you told me not to bother because you would not even read it. Did you forget that?

Jabarto was the one who wanted the explanation, not me.

[The Stranger]

No.

Christian leaders have actively persecuted knowledge and science. Because it went against the church, because it came from the jews or muslims, because they saw enlightenment towards something other than god was a sin, etc etc.

To say that it is simply a "coincidence" that science had a massive revolution once christianity lost its grip on soceity is beyond delusional - its an outright lie.



....is this where I list a ton of books explaining how Communism saved the world from unchecked capitalism and fascism?

its funny how everyone that doesnt agree with horetore is either a liar or a nutcase.

[HoreTore]

its funny how everyone that doesnt agree with horetore is either a liar or a nutcase.

What nonsense.

To claim that Liverpool has a world-class team is an outright lie too. Yet I do not consider those who claim this to be liars or a nutcases, they are simply loserpoolfans.

[The Stranger]

What nonsense.

To claim that Liverpool has a world-class team is an outright lie too. Yet I do not consider those who claim this to be liars or a nutcases, they are simply loserpoolfans.

u are hilarious.