[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[pevergreen]

You've done an amazing thing ATPG, presuming that most/all of these players read your commentary, the words seem to have really gotten through. "big bandwagons bad"

[Diamondeye]

Oh my.

I think Glenn is defending TC a bit much. Leaving me vote on him until TC turns up.

Hmm. I agree with this. Keeping my vote on TC - if he's scum, Glenn might be as well. The possibility of hitting two scum this early is worth it, I think.
fos: Glenn

No use in making it worse, Motep.

Here's a hint, look at TinCow's post - you may find a hidden confession (false or not) as to what his role is.

With the force of the accusation against him, wouldn't it be preferable if there was at least enough pressure left on TC when he came back that he actually has to care about it?
I'd feel better about lynching a townie in TinCow than letting a mafia live and telling them "it's okay, you can kill Beskar" - who might still be the investigator himself.

OOC note: Welcome Back Romanicninccinc :D

Yup, welcome back mate

You've done an amazing thing ATPG, presuming that most/all of these players read your commentary, the words seem to have really gotten through. "big bandwagons bad"

I noticed this on day 1 as well - impressive influence that has had

[pevergreen]

I doubt Beskar is. I think if he was, he'd say he was. Plus the two wave of info thing seems odd if he had it all to start with.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why oh why do I turn on my laptop and check the org when I'm having trouble sleeping? Seriously, I want to be unconscious right now. I have worked extra hours on top of my scheduled hours every single day this week, to the tune of adding 4 hours to 9 hour shifts.

What in the blue heck am I torturing myself for?

You've done an amazing thing ATPG, presuming that most/all of these players read your commentary, the words seem to have really gotten through. "big bandwagons bad"

Well, it is true.

If the player in question has 5+ more votes than the next leading candidate, then any effort to remove them from the lead will be rather obvious. Put some pressure on other candidates.

Then, before the round ends, decide as a group who should die, of those candidates. If there's no reason not to lynch the lead candidate, put him over the top and confirm him dead. If there is a reason to lynch someone else, switch a few votes and put them into the red zone.

Adding 10 votes to a dude who is already in the lead, in the beginning of a day phase, ties the hands of the town and forces them to pick the next leading candidate, and massive counter-wagon that player simply because it's the only convenient way to spare the leader. It's shooting oneself in the foot, to all those who did not read the SW:FOTO commentary.

No pressure on the mafia is bad. At least make them sweat and think "another 2 votes and I'm in the lead.... what should I do?"

[Askthepizzaguy]

After all, Tincow's correct results on Sasaki proves that he is indeed an investigator, though his alignment remains questionable.

This is a tough argument to make, considering the number of dead per round, but if Tincow is a pro-town investigator, the mafia will want to murder him at some point. If Tincow is a mafia investigator, we could confirm it by tomorrow, seeing as there are a few investigators to work with.

Bottom line: If he's guilty, he will get a whole extra round to live, very early in the game. If he's innocent, we are sparing ourselves a bad lynch. One is a tiny bit bad, the other is very good. I would gamble on it, the risk of failure is low.

That said, I have to go over the thread and see if there is anyone besides Tincow worth lynching. Can I get an updated tally to work from?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We have two mafia teams, correct? It seems that way.

Tincow is either a town investigator or a mafia investigator. Either way he will be posing as a town investigator. Leave him alive and ask for his results, he will try his best to catch one of the opposing mafia to get himself credit and lynch competitor.

We should lynch seon instead (at least make it a viable wagon please). Scum are bouncing with glee when there is a detective result on someone other than them. Now read seon's posts today.

[pevergreen]

Seriously, I want to be unconscious right now. I have worked extra hours on top of my scheduled hours every single day this week, to the tune of adding 4 hours to 9 hour shifts.

But I bet you sleep better knowing money will come.

Updated tally, only because its you.

7 TinCow (Beskar, Skooma Addict, autolycus, johnhughtom, Insanious, classical_hero, Secura)

6 Glenn (Romanic, Frozen In Ice, pevergreen, Jarema, Double A, Rebel Jeb)

2 Insanious (YLC, woad&fangs)

1 Seon (Sasaki)

1 Rebel Jeb (Glenn)

1 Beskar (Yaropolk)

1 Beefy (Beefy)

1 Motep (God Emperor)

4 Abstaining (DeathisYonder, Nightbringer, ATPGuy, Capt. Blackadder)

edit:

Sasaki, I'm not as good as you. Mind pointing out what I should be looking for? Your gut is usually right.

I'd be ok with a Seon lynch, but I'd prefer a Glenn lynch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

To get rid of my abstain vote, and to tell Beefy how much I love him but I think he should do something besides vote for himself as it is unhelpful, I will unvote, vote: Beefy

I'd recommend a few more votes on him, just to give ourselves a "random other" candidate to lynch if we wish.

Insanious is new (to the org) and I'd like to give him more time to play before he dies; I would prefer Beskar alive for now as he is our contact with this mysterious investigator type dude. Seon is meh, he could use some pressure as well. Motep I haven't seen in a while, I'd like him alive a little longer just so he can get some game time.

(note, "some game time" expires after day two.... )

Rebel Jeb is talking and being more productive than the alternatives, so for now I'd rather vote for someone who is keeping his head down. Beefy's strategy is neither helpful to the town nor any different from what he usually does. Which is interesting because when you're mafia you tend to try to act as normal for you as possible. There are plenty of candidates to vote for and plenty of leads. This is not the time for self-voting.

Sorry pevers. I know you lost Reenk, and you don't want to see Beefy go either, but in my honest assessment, he's the candidate I like the most for the lynch presently.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I dislike the glenn wagon, I feel like he ruffled some feathers mostly.

Post tincow result revealed:

We have Cloud Strife on our freaking ship?....

Can this be any crazier?

also:
fos:seon - he posted a picture of a small blue-eyed thing....is this normal for him?

Today 00:18

Today 00:23


He's read the thread and knows about the tincow result, and is still reading closely enough to reply within 5 minutes, but is keeping his distance and apparently enjoying how the events are unfolding.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

To get rid of my abstain vote,

Excellent!

I will unvote, vote: Beefy

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would note that this is entirely normal behavior for Seon. He's not easy to analyze because his behavior is quite random and does not conform to expected townie behavior.

He's not in ACIN territory, but he's halfway there.

I could go either way on Seon, but the reason to vote him isn't there.

I know, I know. I'm only going with what I think is the best candidate, regardless of my feelings about Beefy.

He's.... quite special to me.

[pevergreen]

Sorry pevers. I know you lost Reenk, and you don't want to see Beefy go either, but in my honest assessment, he's the candidate I like the most for the lynch presently.

Eh, when I want a Beefy fix, I've got facebook or MSN. Plus he plays a lot.

With Reenk, I've only got PMs.

And our telepathic link of course.

Sasaki: I've no idea why hes posting about Tom Nook, but I had the feeling that its his role and its a toned down version of the joker from last game.

[Diamondeye]

I would note that this is entirely normal behavior for Seon. He's not easy to analyze because his behavior is quite random and does not conform to expected townie behavior.

Translation: You are dealing with a bat crazy Korean whose usual response to accusations falls more or less between "pictures of beeswarms attacking babies" and "Ia! Ia! Cthulhu Fhtagn!".

Anyone remember The Aparoid Queen?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Good lord that picture is an ugly stain on this thread, and brings back horrible memories of previous Council of Villains thread catastrophes.

Please throw a spoiler around that or something. It's like a gigantic pimple on Venus' forehead.



Edit:

Oh wait, that's my avatar. Sorry, false alarm everyone.

[pevergreen]

I know, I know. I'm only going with what I think is the best candidate, regardless of my feelings about Beefy.

He's.... quite special to me.

There aint enough Beefy for the both of us buddy.

Then again, if were going to fight for beefy, despite my RL friendship with him, out of the two of us ATPG, I think The Flax would still win.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I feel like voting for TheFlax right now.

He might not be playing this game, but my pizza senses are tingling. He's guilty of something, I'm almost sure of it.

Flax, if you're lurking in this thread, I'm warning you; those are very unclean thoughts you're having, and I find them distracting.

Pizza approves. Keep it up.

[pevergreen]

Well, its closing in on 4am, so I'm going to bed.

I can't be sure of my activity levels in the next week. I have to learn and complete 8 weeks of work by friday, since I wasted the last 5 weeks doing nothing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Beskar Beskie - why did the investigator say he randomly trusted you on N1? If I was in his shoes, I would wait until N2 to clear you before revealing.

Other folks: you don't have to vote for Beskie, but listen to what Sasaki said above and keep the band wagon small enough to change it should new info arise.

This is odd.

Random trusting Beskar N1 aside, you're still jumping the gun a bit to vote for Beskar.

Even if everything Beskar said were dead wrong somehow, it's unlikely to be a mafia move what he's doing. There is no reason to vote for Beskar here that I can tell.

Perhaps an explanation would be in order?

[Diamondeye]

I was just reading up on the links Beskar posted, and I stopped dead when I heard this name, since I think I've heard it before somewhere in this game:

Scans of dead troopers on the G.F.S. Valhalla also seem to indicate that Phazon found impaling troopers is absorbing the corpses and turning them into Phazon. Also, dead Reptilicus Hunters frozen by the corrupted Bounty Hunter Rundas's ice powers can be scanned to reveal that the small particles of Phazon are transforming the dead bodies into Phazon as well, indicating that Phazon will seek to absorb lifeforms if they die instead of being mutated, while being mutated or even after being mutated, since Dark Samus was also seen to absorb the dead corrupted Bounty Hunters just like she had been observed to absorb common Phazon.

Is this who Sasaki is claiming?

[Askthepizzaguy]

So many posts so many accusations. For now I'll just say Happy New Year!

You're doing exactly what soup was doing in the Zack Star Wars game. Off-topic, under the radar posts, and you're not voting.

If you were a pro-town role you'd be trying harder to blend in and act natural. This looks almost exclusively like it is ducking suspicion, and although you're not known to be a talkative player to begin with, for YOU this is still below your usual standards.

If you are town, I know we won't miss you at all with contributions like this.

unvote, vote: Nictel

[Insanious]

I was just reading up on the links Beskar posted, and I stopped dead when I heard this name, since I think I've heard it before somewhere in this game:


Is this who Sasaki is claiming?

This is what I assumed at first UNTIL! I read the night post, and it doesn't seem like this holds water. For the reason that kid Iccarus (Pit) KNEW his killer. This to me screams that the killer is from the IDFH side of the universe (I assume its SSBB). Since Pit would not recognize his attacker if he was from the Metroid Universe, I do not think that Rundas was Pit's killer.

This is only assuming that I can read that much into the write up...

[thefluffyone93]

Hey now, I always post like that ATPG.
Although last time, I had a good reason to.
Fun times, fun times.

Anyways, I abstained from voting, so fix that tally!

.....You sure there is no joker role?

[Secura]

Is this who Sasaki is claiming?

I think Rundas featured in one of the Metroid Prime games (3?) and was one of a host of bounty hunters (that includes Samus), but he was eventually corrupted by Phazon and ends up being a boss fight.

Considering the focus for the game is the Metroid series, with other characters supporting, it's more than likely that the bounty hunters all feature and probably in their uncorrupted forms too; however, I'd guess that they're potential recruits for Dark Samus, given the Prime series and their lore.

[Diamondeye]

I think Rundas featured in one of the Metroid Prime games (3?) and was one of a host of bounty hunters (that includes Samus), but he was eventually corrupted by Phazon and ends up being a boss fight.

Considering the focus for the game is the Metroid series, with other characters supporting, it's more than likely that the bounty hunters all feature and probably in their uncorrupted forms too; however, I'd guess that they're potential recruits for Dark Samus, given the Prime series and their lore.

I don't know a lot about any of these universes, so it just caught my attention. Then again I guess that naming one of your compatriots (if Beskar is right) would be beyond stupid, so I don't know exactly what it's worth. Just wanted to draw attention to it.

Also, it might useful to try and identify the killers in the writeup... I noticed that Dark Samus is, in her entry, described as a "Dark Hunter", which also is the appearance of one of the attackers. Can anyone make anything of the rest?

[woad&fangs]

unvote: insanious; vote: Glenn The case on TinCow seems week and Glenn seems to be trying too hard. I can't remember if that is normal for him or not.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd prefer someone who is trying over someone who is not, personally.

It's been a while. Glenn's probably just enthusiastic. Remember how the town focused on Ignoramus for showing enthusiasm in Fall of the Order? It's a bad case. Maybe he's mafia, maybe he's not, but you can't really tell based on enthusiasm or effort. If Glenn were mafia, his mates would have told him to tone it down by now.

How about some votes on Nictel? Hmmm?

Anyone?

[ULC]

This is what new years does to me - makes me come in late when anything I'd comment on would make no sense and has been buried.

Also, not interested in repeating the "lets ACTUALLY use roleblockers intelligently!!!" scheme which got me lynched last game because attempts at organization are "scummy".

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is what new years does to me - makes me come in late when anything I'd comment on would make no sense and has been buried.

Also, not interested in repeating the "lets ACTUALLY use roleblockers intelligently!!!" scheme which got me lynched last game because attempts at organization are "scummy".

This game, we're learning from mistakes in the previous game. Or at least some of us are. Don't be so pessimistic.

[Winston Hughes]

How about some votes on Nictel? Hmmm?

Anyone?

Don't cry, pizzaguy.

vote: Nictel

[Beskar]

Ok, I am back, going to read through the thread. Though I saw some one say "Case on TinCow is weak" when it is pretty much classified as 'very strong' in terms of the average scum accusation.

Edit:
Just finished catching up, as usual, players like Renata, Pizza, etc, can easily read that my actions are not mafia motivated and because I believe this result is correct.

Also, Glenn, you said:
"I don't know why people want me dead for being a townie."

The issue is, you are trying to be anything but a townie, especially in your defense of TinCow. When TinCow gets lynched and is revealed as being mafia, what are you going to say then?