[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nictel because he's been lurking and he's the only other person near in votes.

Avoiding bad lynches is a good thing.

[Romanic]

My power is called Scan Visor. Description is: Investigate a target’s identity and alignment at night. Icon is the same one that is shown in Greyblades' death. We likely have (had) the same ability. Looks to me like a low-level investigation ability similar to those I gave townies in Rubicon: their purpose was to encourage inter-faction fighting by allowing the factions to ID each other. In Rubicon, those level investigations did not reveal mafia.

What does the bold part mean? I'm looking at Greyblades' death but I can't figure what you are referring to.

[TinCow]

What does the bold part mean? I'm looking at Greyblades' death but I can't figure what you are referring to.

This thing:
https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/.../ScanVisor.gif

The ability has an icon, a name, and a description. I suspect Chaotix took some inspiration from the Star Wars games, which did the same thing. That's the same icon my ability has.

[Beefy187]

Anything for the town

Unvote, Vote: Nictel

[thefluffyone93]

Unvote; Vote Nictel
Even though the same reasoning behind this can be applied to me,
I actually agree with this.

[ULC]

Unvote, Vote: Nictel

Drum up your support then Sasaki. I don't put it past TC's forging skills to have made this, but it's early enough for a benefit of the doubt.

[Diamondeye]

Unvote, Vote: Nictel
Drum up your support then Sasaki. I don't put it past TC's forging skills to have made this, but it's early enough for a benefit of the doubt.

For TC or for Beskar? I'm keeping my vote on TC. If he's mafia, I'd advocate lynching Sasaki or Glenn tomorrow. I simply don't see the case on Nictel, and Glenn's at least being helpful, even if it does come off as a bit... Too much.

[classical_hero]

maybe I am just being paranoid..

This should be the theme of mafia. "I'm not paranoid, just everyone else thinks I am."

I would make such a case myself but not tonight. I am being not lazy but utterly exhausted from work. Sorry, RL comes first.

It must feel good working again.

I think Rundas featured in one of the Metroid Prime games (3?) and was one of a host of bounty hunters (that includes Samus), but he was eventually corrupted by Phazon and ends up being a boss fight.

Considering the focus for the game is the Metroid series, with other characters supporting, it's more than likely that the bounty hunters all feature and probably in their uncorrupted forms too; however, I'd guess that they're potential recruits for Dark Samus, given the Prime series and their lore.

Thanks for that info, since I have no idea about most of the games and series this is based, so that info helps.

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YOU JUST GAVE EXCELLENT REASONS TO LYNCH HIM OVER EITHER OF THE TWO LEADING CANDIDATES

classical hero in star wars, we lynched him for being super scummy. Plays the same in another game, gets the scum win. Don't ignore people. I think even seon would have a genuine comment to add with a detective result if he was town.

Where's the town leadership pizza?

Don't forget we were a team on that one.

[pevergreen]

Unvote, Vote: Nictel

[ULC]

For TC or for Beskar? I'm keeping my vote on TC. If he's mafia, I'd advocate lynching Sasaki or Glenn tomorrow. I simply don't see the case on Nictel, and Glenn's at least being helpful, even if it does come off as a bit... Too much.

It's Day 2 DE. If we want anytime to doubt, to organize and plan then we should start now, not 5 days later.

[Diamondeye]

It's Day 2 DE. If we want anytime to doubt, to organize and plan then we should start now, not 5 days later.

That is true but not a rebuttal of the reasons to vote TC. What Beskar's doing makes no sense as a mafia gambit exactly because it has time to come back and bite him.
Have you got an easier way of testing this Beskar's investigator than lynching TinCow? As far as I've understood (I don't know a lot about the universe of this game except for the few links Beskar provided and playing Super Smash Bros), TC's claim doesn't make a lot of sense.

All in all, a pretty solid case for D2.

[Cecil XIX]

Although I find Glenn somewhat suspicious, good points have been raised about the utility of keeping the people talking alive. I also agree that the risk of lynching a pro-town investigator is too great.

vote: Nictel

[ULC]

That is true but not a rebuttal of the reasons to vote TC. What Beskar's doing makes no sense as a mafia gambit exactly because it has time to come back and bite him.
Have you got an easier way of testing this Beskar's investigator than lynching TinCow? As far as I've understood (I don't know a lot about the universe of this game except for the few links Beskar provided and playing Super Smash Bros), TC's claim doesn't make a lot of sense.

All in all, a pretty solid case for D2.

Think about the situation for a second while the vote is swinging toward Nictel. Nictel, of all people is being lynched in favor of TC, because Sasaki finds Seon suspicious (as do I) and wants ATPG's assistance. Beskar has nothing to gain just as much as Sasaki or ATPG making it obvious they are supporting TC, a player being accused of mafia connections.

No one would really be after Nictel right now if Sasaki/ATPG did not want it. So are you suggesting that they have nothing to gain, that a Day 2 attempt to save TC will only hurt them? This isn't WIFOM, this is me asking you if you legitimately believe that Beskar will lose more than Sasaki or ATPG. If not, I don't see why you are arguing.

[TinCow]

Frankly, I think you're going to find a lot of your answers in the gameplay setup itself. Chaotix created this as a divided town modeled on Rubicon. Rubicon's divided town never really took off because I did not provide sufficient incentives for the factions to fight. There were also two pure pro-town roles that ended up being far more powerful than I anticipated. Chaotix knows this and has almost certainly adjusted the mechanics to ensure that some fighting between the factions will occur. I think it is very likely that some townie factionalists have various goals and/or abilities that are designed to cause a bit of chaos. Some of that is likely at work here.

[Diamondeye]

Think about the situation for a second while the vote is swinging toward Nictel. Nictel, of all people is being lynched in favor of TC, because Sasaki finds Seon suspicious (as do I) and wants ATPG's assistance. Beskar has nothing to gain just as much as Sasaki or ATPG making it obvious they are supporting TC, a player being accused of mafia connections.

No one would really be after Nictel right now if Sasaki/ATPG did not want it. So are you suggesting that they have nothing to gain, that a Day 2 attempt to save TC will only hurt them? This isn't WIFOM, this is me asking you if you legitimately believe that Beskar will lose more than Sasaki or ATPG. If not, I don't see why you are arguing.

It might just be because it's 4 AM, but I can't figure out what you're actually asking me here. I'll look at it again tomorrow, but I'd really appreciate it if you elaborated on what you mean.

Frankly, I think you're going to find a lot of your answers in the gameplay setup itself. Chaotix created this as a divided town modeled on Rubicon. Rubicon's divided town never really took off because I did not provide sufficient incentives for the factions to fight. There were also two pure pro-town roles that ended up being far more powerful than I anticipated. Chaotix knows this and has almost certainly adjusted the mechanics to ensure that some fighting between the factions will occur. I think it is very likely that some townie factionalists have various goals and/or abilities that are designed to cause a bit of chaos. Some of that is likely at work here.

I didn't play Rubicon, so this doesn't tell me a whole lot.
I spectated ATPG's Star Fox game... Is that a good example of a "divided town"-thingamabob?

[pevergreen]

I spectated ATPG's Star Fox game... Is that a good example of a "divided town"-thingamabob?

Kind of.

Rubicon had 2 mafia families and 2 towns. The towns could win together, or each could win with one of the mafia factions.

[Secura]

Thanks for that info, since I have no idea about most of the games and series this is based, so that info helps.

We're not too aware of the game's mechanics yet, but I'd be particularly cautious with anyone who claims to have one of these bounty hunter roles, given the lore; it's possible that they can be corrupted with Phazon as they are in the Prime series.

This may be somewhat similar to Pizza's Star Wars or Lylat Wars games, where lynching/vigging specific roles denies the mafia the chance to bolster their ranks; thus we may have to do the same with the bounty hunters in this game.

That is true but not a rebuttal of the reasons to vote TC. What Beskar's doing makes no sense as a mafia gambit exactly because it has time to come back and bite him.
Have you got an easier way of testing this Beskar's investigator than lynching TinCow? As far as I've understood (I don't know a lot about the universe of this game except for the few links Beskar provided and playing Super Smash Bros), TC's claim doesn't make a lot of sense.

All in all, a pretty solid case for D2.

I couldn't have phrased it better myself.

After Beskar told me about the information he'd been sent and we had seen TinCow claim to be a town-aligned investigator (and his result having been confirmed by Sasaki), we theorised that it was plausible he could be a recruitment scanner for his respective mafia faction.

To me, this isn't something that can be proven without testing Beskar's source and following through with the lynch; if TinCow is left alive after this phase and roleblocked, then what? What does that achieve? Roleblocking TinCow won't prove his innocence, nor will it have any impact on the night kills because his role is to scan and nothing more; assuming that Beskar's source is correct, then it's likely he scans recruits for Dark Samus to convert.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

DE. Investigations are nerfed. Waiting gives us info. Wasn't someone just posting about how my character was supposedly in a mafia faction? Imagine we are back in star wars mafia and you are saying "well it said he's tainted by the dark side, what better case do we have?".

What we have here with the nictel wagon is a case of "3-post player is a better lynch than the others".

[Secura]

Investigations are nerfed.

I must have missed the meeting where that information was revealed; TinCow's scan of you was accurate enough. :S

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I must have missed the meeting where that information was revealed; TinCow's scan of you was accurate enough. :S

name
which of 2 factions

Big deal?

Don't :s me. If 3 people have it so far I don't doubt that it's just minor info. Most likely if we wipe out one mafia faction it will be very useful to have the results on who belongs to the other group. Till then it should be kept private. Were you in rubicon?

[Motep]

vote: abstain

I'm just too paranoid for this game.

[ULC]

I could technically clear some of this up without quoting, based on the observations of my role PM but that might reveal too much.

[Secura]

name
which of 2 factions

Big deal?

The scan of TinCow provides both a name and a faction (Corrupted Cloud Strife, Phazon), exactly as yours does; the difference is that your scan result doesn't imply that you are allied with Dark Samus.

So yes, it's a big deal.

Were you in rubicon?

No, I think it was hosted before I joined the Org, thus I've got no idea what people are talking about when they relate to that game. It's just one of a long list of great games I hear alot about but wasn't a part of, like Pirate Ship Mafia and the Capo games. :<

[Death is yonder]

Although I find Glenn somewhat suspicious, good points have been raised about the utility of keeping the people talking alive. I also agree that the risk of lynching a pro-town investigator is too great.

vote: Nictel

In line with what was mentioned, the sheer number of investigators at this point, Tincow, Greyblades and Beskar's contact, points out to the likely weakness of the ability.

Anyway, while admittedly it seems prudent to test out investigations since it is self admitted that Tincow is not exactly a strong investigator (and thus not "the world is over!" if he's lynched, his response does not seem guilty, and therefore the other candidate is:

Vote: Nictel

[Death is yonder]

Ahh forgot to unvote.

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Nictel

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Glenn I mean, he's clearly scummy.




Gah, unvote: Glenn, Vote: Nictel. Aren't you paying attention to the thread at all?



... Yeah... I still think its Glenn. Unvote: Nictel, Vote: Glenn




No no no! JOh hush you silly bear, you're making things worse. Just pipe down and listen to the investigations. Plus Nictel's been lurking! Unvote: Glenn, Vote: Nictel





But... but... I've been lurking too. Does that mean its me? Yes, yes it must! Unvote: Nictel, Vote: Yaseikhaan




.... Here, have some honey. Now go sit in the corner. Unvote: Yaseikhaan, Vote: Nictel

[thefluffyone93]

But... but... I've been lurking too. Does that mean its me? Yes, yes it must! Unvote: Nictel, Vote: Yaseikhaan

YORE LOGIC IS INFALLIBLE.
Unvote; Vote: Thefluffyone93

[Link]

You're voting Nictel for "lurking" on New Years? Perhaps he has things to do what with it being a holiday.

[Csargo]

grabs some popcorn

I like where this is headed. Don't mind me, I'll be in the corner.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're voting Nictel for "lurking" on New Years? Perhaps he has things to do what with it being a holiday.

No, check all of his posts.

Abstain, abstain, not contributing, posting and intentionally not voting. He's not absent, he's either not giving a darn or he's trying to avoid suspicion.

This happened before New Years, plus he doesn't get a pass if he shows up and still doesn't vote.

It's been two day phases and he's posted in both of them, to say nothing both times.