[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pizza is scummy. Romanic is scummy. Beskar can wait. YLC is worth following on the winston thing.

Also: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Seriously, Nictel? You're slipping.

GO GO WAGON PIZZA!!

[Choxorn]

That's only going to make it worse, you know. Csargo rarely gives a reason to vote for someone. I directed the lynch away from Tincow before he admitted what he was. It's a bad lead but it is still a lead.

Personally, I'd rather follow up on Flinchy McFlinchenstein, for his spastic response to pressure which was disproportionate for any townie, and him especially.

Vote: Nictel

:nod:

[PershsNhpios]

Well, I am back from my holiday.

I had a few things to say on the previous day, and I was disapproving of the bandwagon on Nictel, but that's really all irelephant now.
Does anyone have an analysis on the situation yet? Since my ban I've lost touch a bit...
I am going to vote rather than spout suspicion, and that vote will be for the semi-lurking player I suspect most at this point:

Vote: landlubber

I'd also like to say at this stage that I am a basic townie - I will not say which camp because there may be vigilantes in this game, and considering my character I think it very unlikely that I will ever be more than a vote.
The only proof I can offer of that is that I was not removed from the game when banned - due I suspect to my role of little value.

[thefluffyone93]

Wait, when did the Mass Effect universe become apart of the Council series?
I thought-I AM ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.
Lawl, couldn't help myself, I love Harbinger too much.
Anyways, I guess we can confirm we have either a pichu, pikachu, or a raichu
on board.

[Csargo]

That's only going to make it worse, you know. Csargo rarely gives a reason to vote for someone. I directed the lynch away from Tincow before he admitted what he was. It's a bad lead but it is still a lead.

Personally, I'd rather follow up on Flinchy McFlinchenstein, for his spastic response to pressure which was disproportionate for any townie, and him especially.

Vote: Nictel

SORRY, for not being a good enough lead for you ATPG

Nictel isn't a good choice imho. That reaction is what I would expect from someone being bandwagoned over TC.

[PershsNhpios]

Note: Where is DeathIsYonder and his constant analysis and call for further analysis?

After reading through user post searches, I'm considering removing the vote on landlubber.

[thefluffyone93]

Well....
Vote: Abstain until I can find I good reason to vote someone, or until someone else does!
Also, I'm scared by that little electric rat......they can see into your soul...

[Askthepizzaguy]

SORRY, for not being a good enough lead for you ATPG

You'll always be good enough for me, my precious strawberry.

Nictel isn't a good choice imho. That reaction is what I would expect from someone being bandwagoned over TC.

I disagree. I haven't ever seen Nictel react that way, in any game, anywhere, under any circumstances. I think you could lynch him ordinarily without him ever noticing. Especially since he didn't do anything but abstain until pressure was applied. I was already having doubts, which I uttered in-thread, until he exploded like I'd never seen before. He's no ordinary role, and I very sincerely doubt he's a town power role.

[Csargo]

You'll always be good enough for me, my precious strawberry.

I disagree. I haven't ever seen Nictel react that way, in any game, anywhere, under any circumstances. I think you could lynch him ordinarily without him ever noticing. Especially since he didn't do anything but abstain until pressure was applied. I was already having doubts, which I uttered in-thread, until he exploded like I'd never seen before. He's no ordinary role, and I very sincerely doubt he's a town power role.

I bow to your superior knowledge of the man known as Nictel. I am still quite confused by why you chose to go after him though. TC had someone claim to have investigated him.

[Reenk Roink]

Hmm, I would suggest voting for Beskar this round for the alleged plot with TinCow thingy. Yeah you might hit a detective, but even so, Beskar will get pissed and it will be funny. It seems the most direct thing to do, plus the town can then move on from worrying about him.

I officially accuse Winston Hughes of being Samus Aran.

Why? I really wanted to kill WH though (Chaotix will explain in endgame), so I'm interested by this. Is it more than just rage.

Personally, I'd rather follow up on Flinchy McFlinchenstein, for his spastic response to pressure which was disproportionate for any townie, and him especially.

And later...

I disagree. I haven't ever seen Nictel react that way, in any game, anywhere, under any circumstances. I think you could lynch him ordinarily without him ever noticing. Especially since he didn't do anything but abstain until pressure was applied. I was already having doubts, which I uttered in-thread, until he exploded like I'd never seen before. He's no ordinary role, and I very sincerely doubt he's a town power role.

I didn't think his reaction was much at all. You keep characterizing it in some extreme way, but that seems really odd given the actual content of his posts.

I haven't played with Nictel ever (I think), but basing things on past behavior is a bad strategy because it can be changed and accommodated to, and it usually is. Having an idea of what town behavior is will also usually lead to destruction for much the same reason (unless it is something tied in with the mechanics of the game like killing people at night - and even that can be townie in certain games).

Pizza is scummy. Romanic is scummy. Beskar can wait. YLC is worth following on the winston thing.

Atpg I can actually make a case for by extrapolating the useless predicate you described him by. Romanic? Why can Beskar wait unless there is some 3rd party detective result? And even that might be just another buddy of his.

Well, I am back from my holiday.

I had a few things to say on the previous day, and I was disapproving of the bandwagon on Nictel, but that's really all irelephant now.
Does anyone have an analysis on the situation yet? Since my ban I've lost touch a bit...
I am going to vote rather than spout suspicion, and that vote will be for the semi-lurking player I suspect most at this point:

Vote: landlubber

I'd also like to say at this stage that I am a basic townie - I will not say which camp because there may be vigilantes in this game, and considering my character I think it very unlikely that I will ever be more than a vote.
The only proof I can offer of that is that I was not removed from the game when banned - due I suspect to my role of little value.

I was about to PM every remaining player in the game to kill you had you made one more reference to the Mafia glossary...

[Secura]

Though Secura is going to be upset.

I think upset is probably an understatement; is it too much to ask to be left alive a bit longer in a large game?

I was actually beginning to get into this game and had crossed my fingers that, for once, I might live to see a large game finish; that hasn't happened since my first large game at the Org (Noblesse Oblige), which was almost a year ago.

What the Dickens do I have to do to actually survive one of these things?

It is pretty obvious her killer was some one trying to get the investigator. =/

You mean that they're metagaming, correct?

Just for the record, so that people know for potential future games; if I had been an investigator, Beskar would have been bottom of the list of people I would have told. When it comes to mafia, I don't trust him fully and wouldn't give him important information without being 100% certain of his innocence; I reserve my complete trust solely for TheFlax, and Pizza to a lesser extent.

Just because Beskar's a close friend doesn't mean that we're in one another's pockets twenty-four-seven; this extends to mafia as much as everything else.

So please, afford me the same respect I show you guys by actually trying to learn how I play rather than believing that I degenerate into "durrr hurrr, I must tellz Beskar everyfin!" everytime that I get my role PM.

[Yaropolk]

Vote: Link get more active dangnabit

[ULC]

Why? I really wanted to kill WH though (Chaotix will explain in endgame), so I'm interested by this. Is it more than just rage.

Gut feeling based off of how I died. I was "left in a pot for tomorrow", a rather morbid and unreasonable way to die considering Samus's character. This is someone intentionally interfering with the write up, someone who is full of spite that I ruined their chances as passing off as pro-town. It also indictates someone who has played with me as a mafioso, most likely from the Murder Manor III game. I tend to write in rather morbid and horrific ways of killing people, and since I have been mafia 4 times, 2 times starting as mafia, then they would have had to have played with me to insert such irony.

I say Winston for now simply because of gut feeling, but anyone from Murder Manor III will do.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I bow to your superior knowledge of the man known as Nictel. I am still quite confused by why you chose to go after him though. TC had someone claim to have investigated him.

Tincow was lynched and was mafia. He very well might have investigated Nictel; he's now operating on the assumption that his mafia team and his half of the town are going to win and is probably being honest about some things, but twisting the rest to suit his agenda. Anything he says can be considered, but it can't be considered factual. The only thing he can offer that I'll look at is ideas. His facts won't ever be trustworthy.

I am ignoring his input on Nictel for now.

[Reenk Roink]

Gut feeling based off of how I died. I was "left in a pot for tomorrow", a rather morbid and unreasonable way to die considering Samus's character. This is someone intentionally interfering with the write up, someone who is full of spite that I ruined their chances as passing off as pro-town. It also indictates someone who has played with me as a mafioso, most likely from the Murder Manor III game. I tend to write in rather morbid and horrific ways of killing people, and since I have been mafia 4 times, 2 times starting as mafia, then they would have had to have played with me to insert such irony.

I say Winston for now simply because of gut feeling, but anyone from Murder Manor III will do.

Chaotix, do you do all the writeups or do players have input?

[Secura]

Nightbringer - Noxus (Hero)

What did you guys make of this?

'Hero' could possibly be Samus' faction, thus Pikachu might have vigged a mafiosi successfully.

[Reenk Roink]

What did you guys make of this?

'Hero' could possibly be Samus' faction, thus Pikachu might have vigged a mafiosi successfully.

I don't think so because if you look at the Hunter writeups which unless I'm completely out of it, is for Team Samus, 'Hunter' is bolded in red.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What did you guys make of this?

'Hero' could possibly be Samus' faction, thus Pikachu might have vigged a mafiosi successfully.

Yes; this is a Council of Villains game, the "hero" faction will be mafia and the villains/non-heroes/or in this case, some metroid people and some unrecruited good guys, will be townies, but the "heroes" and the phazon will be mafia.

I think all these games start with the premise reversed; good is mafia and evil is town. However they've been getting less straightforward as time goes on. Here, I believe there are "hero" mafia and "phazon" mafia; the phazon I thought would recruit villains only, but I don't think that theory is good anymore. The heroes should be led by Samus Aran, who is mafia from our perspective and that's why she's killing every night, as is Dark Samus, her rival and also mafia.

Some of these oddball kills feel like vigilantes, or nerfed killers of some kind. They are not our main objectives.


edit: I am still missing pieces, so I think Reenk's theory could also be valid. I am just assuming Samus is "Hero" in spite of the red writing.

[ULC]

What did you guys make of this?

'Hero' could possibly be Samus' faction, thus Pikachu might have vigged a mafiosi successfully.

I completely agree with this assertion.

[pevergreen]

Vote: Glenn

Will be incredibly surprised if he is town

[Secura]

I don't think so because if you look at the Hunter writeups which unless I'm completely out of it, is for Team Samus, 'Hunter' is bolded in red.

I concede that I had my doubts about it too; when I first saw Pikachu in the writeups, I had a feeling that he might've been aligned with Samus himself, given their closeness in Super Smash Bros. Brawl's 'adventure' mode. I'm not certain how these Council games work though, so I rubbished that feeling quite quickly.

[Beskar]

Hero is the non-survivalist town faction and is not working with Samus nor Dark Samus.

[pevergreen]

Hero is the non-survivalist town faction and is not working with Samus nor Dark Samus.

How do you know so much?

Sucks you died Secura.

[Secura]

Hero is the non-survivalist town faction and is not working with Samus nor Dark Samus.

So you're saying that there's actually three town factions?

The IDFH, GF and Hero groups?

Sucks you died Secura.

Indeedy it does, but my frustration aside... I think my character should have been killed on the seventh night phase! ^_~

(hopefully someone gets that xD)

[pevergreen]

Indeedy it does, but my frustration aside... I think my character should have been killed on the seventh night phase! ^_~

(hopefully someone gets that xD)

I got it!

[Chaotix]

Gut feeling based off of how I died. I was "left in a pot for tomorrow", a rather morbid and unreasonable way to die considering Samus's character. This is someone intentionally interfering with the write up, someone who is full of spite that I ruined their chances as passing off as pro-town. It also indictates someone who has played with me as a mafioso, most likely from the Murder Manor III game. I tend to write in rather morbid and horrific ways of killing people, and since I have been mafia 4 times, 2 times starting as mafia, then they would have had to have played with me to insert such irony.

I say Winston for now simply because of gut feeling, but anyone from Murder Manor III will do.

NOBODY interferes with MY write-ups! NOOOOOBODY!

Actually, YLC, when I wrote your death write-up this was my thought process:
-Want wide-open space with possible cover.
-Therefore set in Mess Hall.
-Wouldn't it be funny if I dropped him in a stew pot at the end.

In actuality, if anybody wanted to put things into the write-ups I probably would let them, but it would only be for flavor (pun intended). And I will always be writing them myself and have the final say

I'm usually pretty creative, and though these write-ups take a lot of time to do, it is one of the things I most enjoy about hosting.

So the only useful things you'll find in the write-ups are:
-Obvious, bolded, brightly colored clues.
-Incredibly obscure clues that I intend for noone to get until I reveal them at the end of the game and look smart.

[Csargo]

Hero is the non-survivalist town faction and is not working with Samus nor Dark Samus.

I thought so but wasn't really sure.

[Secura]

I got it!

I had a feeling that you would. :D

Anyways, if 'Hero' is a third town faction as Reenk believes (and Beskar inexplicably states) then my theory that Pikachu and Samus could be aligned might hold true after all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I had a feeling that you would. :D

Anyways, if 'Hero' is a third town faction as Reenk believes (and Beskar inexplicably states) then my theory that Pikachu and Samus could be aligned might hold true after all.

I am almost certain Samus is the leader of the second mafia faction, as much as Dark Samus is the leader of the first. Samus is killing every night, in a pattern that doesn't match vigilantism. I will leave room for being incorrect on this, but I believe Samus can recruit certain GF people and make them part of her team. People like YLC, who she killed while not being a vigilante, but a mafia scum.

GF survivalists are Samus recruitment fodder. The symmetry is a bit on the nose, but also makes sense for game balance.

It's possible Samus is mafia and Pikachu/others are in a Hero faction. I may have missed the call on Hero being mafia, but I'm pretty sure Samus is, based on her rivalry with Dark Samus, who is recruitable but not by Dark Samus, and her kill pattern.