[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're seriously going to argue that the character Ridley is friendly to the GF and IDFH?

Sure as heck ain't friendly with the mafia, I would say.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now, let's up Tincow's little code system so he can't get communications back from his minions.

Hi, I am Tyrannosaurus Flex, and this here would be mah buddy Rubber Ducky. Obviously we're far from loyal minions if I'm revealing our code to you.

Enjoy, it's actually a work of art. Kudos to Tincow. Shame he trusted me for even one whole round.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

This is the code I will use to send a message to you in the thread, if I feel the need to do so. Your messages will be indicated as they will be addressed to Agent Tyrannosaurus Flex. I will speak plainly in the thread, but all names will be replaced by numbers. The numbers were generated by running the entire participant list (including replacements) through random.org. This is the list:

1. YLC
2. Yaropolk
3. Khazaar
4. Captain Blackadder
5. Csargo
6. Nightbringer
7. Ironside
8. Diamondeye
9. Link
10. johnhughthom
11. pevergreen
12. ByzantineKnight
13. Insanious
14. Romanic
15. Thefluffyone93
16. autolycus
17. God Emperor
18. Kagemusha
19. classical_hero
20. dcmort93
21. Winston Hughes
22. Secura
23. Jarema
24. Choxorn
25. woad&fangs
26. Greyblades
27. Sasaki Kojiro
28. Beefy187
29. robbiecon
30. Seon
31. Beskar
32. Renata
33. landlubber
34. Double A
35. TinCow
36. Nictel
37. Reenk Roink
38. Glenn
39. Askthepizzaguy
40. Death is Yonder
41. Skooma Addict
42. AntiKingWarmanCake88
43. Yaseikhaan
44. a completely inoffensive name
45. Raskolnikov
46. Motep
47. Frozen in Ice
48. Cecil XIX
49. Rebel Jeb

This list is unique to you. All others receiving similar codes will have different random.org lists, so they will not be able to understand the information I am giving you, and vice versa. If you wish to communicate with me, begin a post a post with a VOWEL as the first letter, and make it LOWERCASE. In that post, any name you list in the third line should be a GF-aligned person or someone else you think we need to kill. If you want to give more information than that, I will pay very close attention to what you write in line two. Figure out a way to put that information in there, and I will do my best to interpret your meaning. Remember, I will only look for encoded information from you in a post that begins with a lower case vowel. Do not use a lower case vowel at the start if you do not wish to communicate with me.

I know you are preparing a different code. Feel free to do so. If I like it better, I may use it, but will not decide until I see it.

This is the code I will use to send a message to you in the thread, if I feel the need to do so. Your messages will be indicated as they will be addressed to Agent Rubber Ducky. I will speak plainly in the thread, but all names will be replaced by numbers. The numbers were generated by running the entire participant list (including replacements) through random.org. This is the list:

1. Captain Blackadder
2. Insanious
3. Seon
4. Death is Yonder
5. Thefluffyone93
6. Secura
7. Jarema
8. Beskar
9. Askthepizzaguy
10. Winston Hughes
11. AntiKingWarmanCake88
12. Greyblades
13. autolycus
14. Beefy187
15. Romanic
16. robbiecon
17. pevergreen
18. TinCow
19. dcmort93
20. Diamondeye
21. Renata
22. Khazaar
23. Nictel
24. Yaseikhaan
25. YLC
26. classical_hero
27. Kagemusha
28. Choxorn
29. Link
30. Ironside
31. Glenn
32. God Emperor
33. Double A
34. woad&fangs
35. Csargo
36. Frozen in Ice
37. Cecil XIX
38. Rebel Jeb
39. Sasaki Kojiro
40. Nightbringer
41. Yaropolk
42. Raskolnikov
43. johnhughthom
44. a completely inoffensive name
45. Motep
46. landlubber
47. ByzantineKnight
48. Skooma Addict
49. Reenk Roink

This list is unique to you. All others receiving similar codes will have different random.org lists, so they will not be able to understand the information I am giving you, and vice versa. If you wish to communicate with me, put a smilie somewhere in the MIDDLE of the second sentence of your post. In that post, any name you list in the last line should be a GF-aligned person or someone else you think we need to kill. If you want to give more information than that, I will pay very close attention to what you write in the second to last line. Figure out a way to put that information in there, and I will do my best to interpret your meaning. Remember, I will only look for encoded information from you in a post that where there is a smilie somewhere in the MIDDLE of the second sentence. Do not put a smilie in the middle of the second sentence if you do not wish to communicate with me.

If you do not claim to have any active abilities, do not expect to receive much information from me as it would generally be pointless. If you currently have no abilities but later gain the ability to vig kill or investigate, it will be important for you to communicate that to me. As such, if you gain the ability to vig kill, when you make a coded post to me, FOS one (and only one) person. The FOS will mean nothing to me, but will tell me you can now vig. Similarly, if you gain the ability to investigate, do the same thing but FOS two people instead. Remember, only do this in a post with the proper code indicating I should pay attention to it.

So I am guessing mister Tincow, in his infinite wisdom, did indeed alter the code slightly for each person. You can probably find similar code-like behavior embedded in people's posts. Anyone with a lot of time on his hands (HI!!! MY NAME IS PIZZAGUY) will look for any such secretive communications.

Sorry mister cow, but it's still a cookiecutter pattern and you'll need to send out new codes now.





....What's that?

You can't???

Awww.

I encourage everyone who has gotten such a code to reveal it publicly, so you can see the master's handiwork. Tincow's moves last round were genius, this time, I intend to show him that he got a wee bit too cocky.

Bad move, Tincrow. Very bad crow.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It's a good plan. But one thing I remember from rubicon and capo is that most people can't be bothered to work with the mafia.

I suppose we should look for someone ending their post with a smilie.

[TinCow]

So I am guessing mister Tincow, in his infinite wisdom, did indeed alter the code slightly for each person. You can probably find similar code-like behavior embedded in people's posts. Anyone with a lot of time on his hands (HI!!! MY NAME IS PIZZAGUY) will look for any such secretive communications.

Good luck with that! As is clear, I anticipated this exact scenario when I created the codes. Have fun reading until your eyes bleed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Good luck with that! As is clear, I anticipated this exact scenario when I created the codes. Have fun reading until your eyes bleed.

It's worth it, mister crow. I promise you this much, I will have your whole team eating crow before the game ends, dead or not. You make Omega mad; smash, etc.

It's a good plan. But one thing I remember from rubicon and capo is that most people can't be bothered to work with the mafia.

I suppose we should look for someone ending their post with a smilie.

That code is only useful for one person, and Beskar knows who; they won't be sending any further such communications.

I doubt they ever intended to work with tincow to begin with if they told me their code immediately.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

For a change, I suggest a genuine random lynch day 1. I just did a random.org and it returned "3".

vote:askthepizzaguy

Lol

It really was random too.

[TinCow]

It's worth it, mister crow. I promise you this much, I will have your whole team eating crow before the game ends, dead or not. You make Omega mad; smash, etc.

Please understand that I'm just playing a game here, I do not wish to cause personal animosity between us. I know I have been a bit cocky in my posts, but that's exactly how a dead mafioso needs to act IMHO. OOC, I am greatly impressed by the boldness of what you attempted here, any comment I have made that would make it seem otherwise is unintentional and the result of pure-IC bravado.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Please understand that I'm just playing a game here, I do not wish to cause personal animosity between us. I know I have been a bit cocky in my posts, but that's exactly how a dead mafioso needs to act IMHO. OOC, I am greatly impressed by the boldness of what you attempted here, any comment I have made that would make it seem otherwise is unintentional and the result of pure-IC bravado.

Oh heck yeah, Tincow. You actually just made this game far more interesting.

Truth be told, if I did my mission as I was probably expected to do, which is random kill until your Samus twins are dead, it would have simply been a game of who can randomly kill who the fastest.

Meh. Boring.

An element of danger, and being forced to work with the town, just makes me feel like Capo all over again. I promise you, if they'll let me, I will deliver a nice pile of dead mafiosi to the town, just to put an emphasis on how much I appreciate being revealed.

You might have just handed me the tools I need to get the job done, so thanks.

[Greyblades]

Gotta say, its allways interesting when an anti town gets screwed over and wants revenge.

[Yaropolk]

Unvote; Vote:Renata per above accusation from ATPG

[Beskar]

If anyone was curious, I will say my side of the whole ATPG thing.

If you remember, I posted something which made me heavily suspect Pizza. Basically, Pizza and TinCow were using some very similar phrases and arguments, and something in particular made link between them I couldn't deny. So I contacted Pizza for more information. Anyway, after a while, especially after a certain post of mine (about factions), Pizza realized I was incorruptible. This means I cannot be recruited by either Samus or Dark Samus. This was also confirmed separately by another claimed 'Hero' in a PM to me stating that I have been checked for corruptibility and I was found to be incorruptible.

Anyway, Pizza full-revealed to me. He said that he has two abilities, a scan and a kill ability. His role is to kill both Samus and Dark Samus, if he succeeds, he can win with the town. If they are alive, he is classed as SK and needs to be killed (I assume this is for maifa /w town faction victories). I lied in thread about him being cleared, to have him hang around, as he assured me that he will say who he was killing in advance, and since we both share the same objective in killing Samus and Dark Samus mafias, I saw no reason for us not to give him some space to do his work, afterall, I could just post in thread with "Lynch him" if required.

If you was also curious, since it was brought up about the 'investigator', they have claimed a GF role, similar to YLC's. Assuming that this investigator is a possible mafia, this gives the implication for a statement I made in thread about team Samus having GF cover-roles and team Dark Samus having IDFH cover-roles. This investigator is also in a situation if I do end up randomly targeted, I can reveal them (in a way within the rules) who they are, so the town can lynch them, or Dark Samus to night kill. So either way, I covered my back incase they are a mafia, however, I am willing to work with this person, even if the results do end up some what one-sided, as it will assist in getting rid of mafia, and allowing me to have a greater picture of who is actually who in the game.

Ultimately so far, the town seems to be in a strong position. If we want to have a real chance of taking down the mafia, there needs to be some element of trust from people. Feel free to reveal some information about yourself to me and I will use it with confidence in whacking another mafia.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pizza should be lynched today.

We'll wagon renata tomorrow and see what she has to say.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This is a compliment to pizza--he's too good to let him live. And unpredictable in his affiliations.

I remember first hand from the shadow fort how much he can influence things his way in a town group.

[DELETE_THIS]

So ATPG, not only have you been working with tincow, you have an ally as well? I don't know any innocent roles that would have someone they can trust this early on. My vote stands. I suspect you were trying to, as a third party, use the mafia for your benefit. Now with tincow's reveal the whole thing has blown up in your face. I will not turn a blind eye this time. My vote stands and I suggest others to vote for ATPG as well. He IS a third party, he WILL try to win this game for himself and we can NOT trust him or his suggestions. Sure some of them may be mafia to give him credit, but in the end all we will find is a dagger in our backs.

[Greyblades]

Eh couldnt we just use him for a turn or two and then lynch him if he turns out to be unhelpful? Seems like a waste anyway seeing as the mafia are going to try to night kill him, I say let them waste a night.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Eh couldnt we just use him for a turn or two and then lynch him if he turns out to be unhelpful? Seems like a waste anyway seeing as the mafia are going to try to night kill him, I say let them waste a night.

We don't know if there is a big downside. There could be.

The mafia won't kill him because they know we are going to lynch him. And we don't know that they can kill him--nk immunity would be almost required for that role.

Lynch the serial killer...

[Greyblades]

No you just think they wont try to kill him. I say give him a turn to prove he's helpful to the town if he's useful we keep him him if not we lynch him. Oh and it doesnt matter if he's nk immune as its still a wasted kill if they try.

[woad&fangs]

unvote: Seon; Vote: Renata
I can't believe I took ATPG's pm investigator claims at face value. Gah! That said, I'm willing to work with a serial killer to accomplish town goals.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Read between the lines.

He didn't kill night one, so he has powers we don't know about.

Night two he tried to kill an investigator--I doubt his story for this one. He's much more likely to infiltrate and try and get information out of someone he thinks is mafia than to just off them.

His comments today make it clear that he considers this being forced to work with the town.

This quote is nice:

Shame he trusted me for even one whole round.

And the fact is, if you wanted to "use" him there's no logical reason not to do it for 6+ days or so. Will people who don't want to lynch him today be up in arms to lynch him tomorrow? Of course not.

No you just think they wont try to kill him. I say give him a turn to prove he's helpful to the town if he's useful we keep him him if not we lynch him. Oh and it doesnt matter if he's nk immune as its still a wasted kill if they try.

Why would they try? Please. I don't "just think" I gave good reasons. He's likely to be nk immune or have acquired doc protection, and a likely lynch which helps the mafia. Additionally there are two scum teams and that always makes a bit of wifom about killing. You just believe for no good reason.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is a compliment to pizza--he's too good to let him live. And unpredictable in his affiliations.

I remember first hand from the shadow fort how much he can influence things his way in a town group.

I appreciate the compliment Sasaki.

This is also understandable. I was a revealed Lover in the Zelda game and people let me live thinking "ah, we'll lynch him later".

I get it. If anyone is dangerous even as a revealed SK, I am.

That said, you guys really could use my help. Mafia will attempt (and fail, initially) to kill me. Odds are, I will die soon enough anyway. Just asking for a little time is all.

So ATPG, not only have you been working with tincow, you have an ally as well? I don't know any innocent roles that would have someone they can trust this early on. My vote stands. I suspect you were trying to, as a third party, use the mafia for your benefit. Now with tincow's reveal the whole thing has blown up in your face. I will not turn a blind eye this time. My vote stands and I suggest others to vote for ATPG as well. He IS a third party, he WILL try to win this game for himself and we can NOT trust him or his suggestions. Sure some of them may be mafia to give him credit, but in the end all we will find is a dagger in our backs.

You're right in that I was trying to abuse Tincow; I revealed I was hunting for Samus, said I could be his ally.

This was primarily to get his murders off my back and hopefully onto other mafia or convertible townies; anyone but me basically. I ain't gonna lie about that. I figured there was also a way to glean information from him; I'd reveal who I was going to kill and then he'd stop me if it were Dark Samus.

However, I also revealed to several people that I was working with Tincow to gain information. I never had any intention of seriously cooperating with him; I needed to kill his boss.

I made a mistake somewhere, revealed to the wrong person or simply nailed Dark Samus with the Renata plan. Otherwise I could have gained more info. But honestly, what I got from Tincow already was more than worth it.

No you just think they wont try to kill him. I say give him a turn to prove he's helpful to the town if he's useful we keep him him if not we lynch him. Oh and it doesnt matter if he's nk immune as its still a wasted kill if they try.

Even one less murder would make me useful to the town.

The fact that I can vig-kill basically gives you a "second lynch" as well. Vote who you want to die, in addition to the lynch, and I'll kill the top-voted person.

Or I can follow leads that Beskar and I and other incorruptibles are working on. Either way.

Well, offer is on the table. I think there's enough game time remaining to make me useful, like Chaotix was in the previous game. Just remember to have me lynched later on, is all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Night two he tried to kill an investigator--I doubt his story for this one. He's much more likely to infiltrate and try and get information out of someone he thinks is mafia than to just off them.

Wrong; I'm interested in information, but not the kind that comes from the mafia families whose Godfathers I need to destroy.

I don't consider Beskar's detective, who I actually thought was Beskar, to be a reliable source of information (for me). They might be useful to you, but only for removing the Dark Samus team, until proven otherwise.

[woad&fangs]

He didn't kill night one, so he has powers we don't know about.

He can scan for activity/inactivity. On night 1 he claims to have scanned me. Seeing as he correctly identified me as inactive, I am inclined to believe him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

He can scan for activity/inactivity. On night 1 he claims to have scanned me. Seeing as he correctly identified me as inactive, I am inclined to believe him.

I felt this early in the game (as with the previous game) those who are active at night are likely to be town power roles, or mafia. The thermal scan is a big indicator of guilt. About half, I'd say, of the active parties, will be guilty. Unless town has a lot of useless powers. A lot of people I've spoken to have no active powers. That said, if you have an active power, it would be a good idea to reveal to Beskar that you do. Thermal scan is actually a fairly common power, and if it finds people are completely inactive, and Samus/etc are active that night, that's process of elimination.

If we can get an idea of how many townies have actual active powers (mafia will lie, so give/take 3-6 for margin of error) then we can use Thermal Scan and identify inactive townies or mafia who are keeping their heads down.

We'll get the inactive mafia soon enough; but we absolutely need to get the ones that kill.

Thermal scan will be less useful in the late game, exactly like Investigation I was useless at the end of my game. Use it now, and coordinate.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I wish I had pm's. What's the votecount?

[Askthepizzaguy]

What's the votecount?

Glenn: 5 (Cecil, Jarema, Frozen, Insanious, dcmort)
Beefy: 5 (Beefy, Renata, Romanic, Beskar, Seon)
Seon: 5 (Winston, Csargo, pevergreen, DIY, Classical)

Renata: 3 (ATPG, Yaropolk, woad&fangs)

Jarema: 2 (ByzantineKnight, Link

Frozen: 1 (Diamondeye)
Fluffy: 1 (Double A
landlubber: 1 (Glenn)
Csargo: 1 (Khazaar)
pevergreen: 1 (God Emperor)
Winston: 1 (johnhughthom)
Khazaar: 1 (landlubber)
Insanious: 1 (Skooma)
ATPG: 1 (Nictel)

Abstaining: Thefluffyone, Ironside

Just want to point out, I am not messing with the tally. pever never unvoted to vote me. Though if you do see an error, please correct.


I need to leave for work in 2 hours. I would like you guys to tell me where you want my vote by then; it's possible I am not awake/here when the round ends.

I will say that the case on Renata is based on a hunch plus some data, but it's also equally likely if not more likely to be wrong. It's a risky lynch; it's not a slam dunk. But out of all the suspects on this list, I still say Renata is more likely to be who we're looking for than anyone.

I really have no reason to want to see this lynch go badly for the town. That's only going to get me killed faster. I would like it if you got a scumbag this round for very obvious reasons.


Also reminder: please indicate who you want me to assassinate tonight. Come up with two suspects, not just one. Or tell me to investigate. Whichever.

[Winston Hughes]

Deal with the devil, eh?

I've got to hand it to you pizza - nobody's more tenacious in fighting a lost cause. Even as I type this, I keep changing my mind about whether it's sane to let you live. I recall having lynched you in vaguely similar situations, and having been glad I did. I also know that you'll be making the same arguments every day from now on, and drawing the focus of each day's discussion onto your own case by your mere presence. On the other hand, it seems clear that the town can benefit greatly from your assistance now that we have you on something of a leash.

Ah, what the hey...

unvote; vote: Renata
(Sorry, old buddy. If you turn out to be innocent, I hope we can look forward to some of your razor-sharp analysis from beyond the grave.)

[Diamondeye]

AT LEAST WE KNOW YOU DON'T CARE WHO DIES TODAY AS LONG AS IT ISN'T A PARTNER, SCUM

I love you, Sasaki

What I meant is that when someone is attacked at night, I don't recall seeing the writeup using the cover role name.

To be clearer, let's say that Beskar would have Jill Valentine as a cover role, but in fact would be Ugly Bad Guy.... I think the writeup would say:

Ugly Bad Guy was attacked (and survived).

and not...

Jill Valentine was attacked (and survived).

I don't recall seeing a writeup showing that the cover role was attacked.

When it comes to investigations (public or not), it's typical to have some players protected against them, and return a cover role instead of the true identity, so I don't consider your example to be good. I still believe that Jill Valentine cannot be a cover role, because she was attacked and the writeup said so.

What you're assuming indicates that the attacker will learn the connection between player name and real (not cover) role. Have you considered that?

May I say something?

Killing me in a lynch is as a bad idea as killing a night investigator in a lynch.

Elaborate

Now, let's up Tincow's little code system so he can't get communications back from his minions.

Hi, I am Tyrannosaurus Flex, and this here would be mah buddy Rubber Ducky. Obviously we're far from loyal minions if I'm revealing our code to you.

Enjoy, it's actually a work of art. Kudos to Tincow. Shame he trusted me for even one whole round.

So I am guessing mister Tincow, in his infinite wisdom, did indeed alter the code slightly for each person. You can probably find similar code-like behavior embedded in people's posts. Anyone with a lot of time on his hands (HI!!! MY NAME IS PIZZAGUY) will look for any such secretive communications.

Sorry mister cow, but it's still a cookiecutter pattern and you'll need to send out new codes now.
....What's that?

You can't???

Awww.

I encourage everyone who has gotten such a code to reveal it publicly, so you can see the master's handiwork. Tincow's moves last round were genius, this time, I intend to show him that he got a wee bit too cocky.

Bad move, Tincrow. Very bad crow.

That is an impressive system you've built there, TinCow. Props
Also, the silent roach croaks at midnight. Past the moon, eighteen doves fly lazily by. It is winter.

Also reminder: please indicate who you want me to assassinate tonight. Come up with two suspects, not just one. Or tell me to investigate. Whichever.

You might want to investigate Seon or Beskar, or, if bloodthirsty,
vigilante kill any unvoters from the TC wagon.

Also, unvote:Frozen, Vote:Renata

Awfully quiet, Renata?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've got to hand it to you pizza - nobody's more tenacious in fighting a lost cause.

It's not lost if I can go for a roll in the hay with the Samus twins before I die.

[Ironside]

Now, let's up Tincow's little code system so he can't get communications back from his minions.

Hi, I am Tyrannosaurus Flex, and this here would be mah buddy Rubber Ducky. Obviously we're far from loyal minions if I'm revealing our code to you.

Hah, called it.

Judging from your nice colour coding, Beskar was attacked by a vigi. Probably Agent Tyrannosaurus Flex, unless Tincow got creative with the number coding.

Why would they try? Please. I don't "just think" I gave good reasons. He's likely to be nk immune or have acquired doc protection, and a likely lynch which helps the mafia. Additionally there are two scum teams and that always makes a bit of wifom about killing. You just believe for no good reason.

Colour coded killings means that he's quite traceable despite the two scum teams. Agreed that he should never be alive below 15 left. Do we know if there's a lynch resistance abillity in this game? Like force breath? If it is, then ATPG needs his removed.

Keep night killings to a minimum, the longer we last, the greater our odds. Unlike ATPG.

Unvote: Vote: Renata

If this turns wrong, then sorry Renata.

They could've simply figured ATPG out with simple cover role similarity, but there's probably something more here as well.

[Diamondeye]

I wonder what Chaotix thinks when he finds that we've created a 4-way tie to end the 3-way tie situation