Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
So what? In all that time, they have not assimilated themselves into society or even attempted to be good citizens. Hungary has shown that it is good at assimilating people (Jassic people, Cumans, etc), but the Gypsies have not tried. It is not oppressive to expect someone to obey the laws of the country that everyone else is expected to obey.
I live in Romania and here we also have a singificant gipsy population.
I have nothing against gipsy as peope, but i do think their community is somewhat disruptive. Or at least what they are showing.

I know quite a few gypsies that integrated all right in the normal society.
They make an honest living and 'feel' no differently than any other human being.

My problem lies with gipsy communities that promote a certain way of life that's disruptive to the rest of the society:

-Many poor gypsies live in illegal 'villages' of makeshift shacks or ruined/abandoned buildings. Sometimes the police comes, kicks them out, they wait a bit, and they come back.


-Their family/clan ties, and the conflicts that arise from this. Here we don't have any kind of gang culture apart form gipsy clans and it's a bit shocking (in the bad way) to see 200 gypsies duking it out with axes and swords until the police comes(it's mostly for show though. I refuse to believe that 200 armed people can fight for real and end up with only 2-3 wounded).


-They have a distinct lack of respect (sometimes I even think they are unable to understand ) of the more abstract social norms, such as the cvic duty to respect the law. Most gypsies will respect the law only for fear of consequences, and will break it at leisure if they think they can avoid them.

I've witnessed several incidents with gypsies caught in the act of doing something either illegal or just unpleasant (moslty faking disablilities in order to beg) and wouldn't quit doing it unless directly threatened with reprisal (once it took a police officer taking out his gun and removing the safety for a gipsy begger that was travelling in a train without ticket, pretending to have crippled legs, to get off the train, on his own legs mind you).