Order Of The Stick Mafia [Concluded]

[Renata]

How about investigation results on me? Would have been nice.

It's Sunday, I can't defend myself in volume and could not even review the thread yesterday to see who struck me as suspicious. If two votes on Cecil aren't enough to clear me, I don't know what is.

I hate weekends. Go ahead and lynch me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

How about investigation results on me? Would have been nice.

It's Sunday, I can't defend myself in volume and could not even review the thread yesterday to see who struck me as suspicious. If two votes on Cecil aren't enough to clear me, I don't know what is.

I hate weekends. Go ahead and lynch me.

Well, if it is any consolation, the investigation results on you were that you are Sabine, of the Linear Guard; an evil succubus.

http://oots.wikia.com/wiki/Sabine

Bussing one's partner doesn't clear you, in a small game it is one of the few tactics which can be used with moderate success.

I know you hate weekends, and I know you hate not being able to give a right and proper defense. And if you turn out to be not mafia, I'll have the head of the person who accused you.

This is why I dislike investigator roles unless they're absolutely necessary. You're too much fun to have solidly concrete data on. It spoils the mystery.

[Renata]

vote: Renata

I'm done. Maybe I'll play mafia again in a month or two.

[Beskar]

Okay, that is a confession from Renata then.

God Emperor is getting lynched tomorrow if game continues, evidently was trying to save her.


(Also, guess what Romanic, I voted a mafia and you voted a town again! You sure play better townie than me. )

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay, that is a confession from Renata then.

God Emperor is getting lynched tomorrow if game continues, evidently was trying to save her.

Game will continue, I'm pretty sure. The game setup seems to necessitate several mafia to make up for an investigator.

[Beskar]

Game will continue, I'm pretty sure. The game setup seems to necessitate several mafia to make up for an investigator.

How powerful is this investigation then? It seems it can provide a role role reveal.

I prefer the investigations in my game, they aren't absolute.

[Askthepizzaguy]

How powerful is this investigation then? It seems it can provide a role role reveal.

I prefer the investigations in my game, they aren't absolute.

I still believe for game balance it will fail eventually, or the investigator will be killed.

But I've done enough WIFOM'ing for one day. I'm sure the mafia will kill me eventually, especially if I keep claiming to be powerful and then not dying.

[Renata]

Game will continue, I'm pretty sure. The game setup seems to necessitate several mafia to make up for an investigator.

You'd think, wouldn't you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You'd think, wouldn't you.

Well, there was a serial killer.... that makes things harder on the mafia as it is.

Even if they allied to rid themselves of the town, they have to turn on each other eventually, and the question is when. And then, if it is 1 mafioso versus 1 serial killer, the mafia still loses.

No matter what, serial killers tend to be bad for the mafia unless they get lucky. 1 SK balances a game with 3 mafiosi in favor of the town due to crossfire.

Adding power roles to the town will make it harder on the mafia (already disadvantaged) and the serial killer (who always has the lowest chance of success anyway).

You can see why I am not a fan of investigators.

[Secura]

I'm done. Maybe I'll play mafia again in a month or two.

*hug*

Hopefully you'll not follow through with this statement. :3

[Renata]

Well, there was a serial killer.... that makes things harder on the mafia as it is.

Even if they allied to rid themselves of the town, they have to turn on each other eventually, and the question is when. And then, if it is 1 mafioso versus 1 serial killer, the mafia still loses.

No matter what, serial killers tend to be bad for the mafia unless they get lucky. 1 SK balances a game with 3 mafiosi in favor of the town due to crossfire.

Adding power roles to the town will make it harder on the mafia (already disadvantaged) and the serial killer (who always has the lowest chance of success anyway).

You can see why I am not a fan of investigators.

This is all true.

[Askthepizzaguy]

*hug*

Hopefully you'll not follow through with this statement. :3

I loves you, Renata. Believe me, I take no joy in this. I like to work based off of very little, and play head games. Investigation results are just reflexive votes afterward, and as explained in the Star wars game, kills the discussion.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So anyways, mister investigator, your services will no longer be necessary. You couldn't have found the Godfather through scans anyway, as he's scan immune as we suspected. If he's being honest, he cannot recruit and he should be the last of them. He has low strength and a basic killing power. Elan/God Emperor is Nale, as we figured. It is dangerous to rely too much on detectives. Sometimes you need to do a little sleuthing of your own.

Renata's the better lynch as she is stronger and we already have the votes.


Good game, God Emperor, Renata, and Cecil. Town actually did a reasonable job this time, I am impressed; sorry about the bad luck, I didn't think your play was that bad actually. The detective plus the Serial Killer, and other roles, made this game very difficult for you.

I am surprised we lost our mason team to WOG, but we really didn't even need them at all. Almost lost more than that as well, right YLC?

[Beskar]

Wait, you mean I was right with God Emperor as well?!

Poor Romanic, He couldn't hit a mafia with a stick, even if they were a broad side of a barn.

[Secura]

He couldn't hit a mafia with a stick, even if they were a broad side of a barn.

And that's how the Order of the Stick gets their kicks!

[Renata]

My play was not that bad. Sooner or later I'm going to be lynched or nearly lynched on the basis of just such a thing as I did with the Secura vote (and be a townie), because my schedule is too unpredictable to play well and thoroughly ("like myself") every single day. I just can't do it. But I'm heartbroken and feeling guilty as hell for the slip I made. It's the second mafia game I've lost for my team single-handed in the space of a week or so; and the fourth loss or near-certain loss as mafia in the last few weeks. In that time I've been a townie three times, for a grand total of five days alive. I'm just tired of it all.

[Romanic]

unvote, vote: Renata

[Diamondeye]

Day 4 ends
It's not over yet...

The fourth day in the palace had been plagued by a morbid silence. It was with a troubled air that Lord Hinjo ascended the stairs of the Throne Room and looked at the handful of survivors. He began, his voice shaking for the first time since Shojo's death:
"It has been decided that I be put to the sword. The laws of this investigation are equal for all, and I will not resist. I hope that my end will ease the investigation and let you apprehend the culprits behind my uncle's death."
Hinjo fell silent again. No-one moved. Then, finally, one of the paladins of the guard approached Hinjo, reaching to take Hinjo's sword to fulfill the judgement.

In the blink of an eye, Hinjo had sprouted leathery wings and taken flight, his eyes glowing an unnatural red.
"And if you believe that I go down without fighting, you're even more naive than I thought!"
Sabine lashed out with the sword and the paladin fell back, wounded. The rest of the group woke from their stupor and when to assist him against the succubus.

Despite their numbers, it looked as if the succubus would prevail. She quickly swooped down and picked up a lance before rising back up, ready to drive the point into anyone who closed in. She smiled victoriously.
"So that's how brave the paladins of the Sapphire Guard are? Why don't y-"
"Disintegrate!"
A ray of magical energy hit Sabine square in the chest, and she collapsed on the floor, weak but still conscious. She was quickly overrun by the remaining members of the group.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Renata was Lord Hinjo!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

It was a cover role for Sabine of the Linear Guild!

Tally:
Renata: 6
Beskar: 1
Not voting: 1

With the imposter posing as Lord Hinjo gone, someone else had to assume control of the survivors. Vaarsavius of the Order of the Stick walked to the plateu, uncontested. He looked at them and spoke, briefly for once:
"We cannot with good conscience reunite with the outside world unless we are sure to have eliminated the entire group of perpetrators. I suggest we go about doing this as we have done so far. That is all."

The seven remaining people each left for their own chambers.

It is now night 4! Day breaks in roughly 23½ hours!
Remember to send in your night orders!

Alive (7):
Romanic
Beskar
YLC
God Emperor
Robbiecon
Yaropolk
AskThePizzaGuy

[Beskar]

Vote: God Emperor

[robbiecon]

Tis night Beskar, someone's enthusiastic. What I'm wondering, is how on earth did ATPG get a confession from God Emperor? Has he a backroom and a blowtorch?

[Secura]

He pretended to be something he's not; mafia and town alike have often fallen for that ploy.

[Beskar]

He donned the 'Belt of Femininity' to become "AskthePizzaGuy_in_drag" to seduce God Emperor. God Emperor failed his 'spot' check, and was easily tricked, as if he is Elan. Then again, he is Nale pretending to be Elan, so it works out following the plot afterall.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tis night Beskar, someone's enthusiastic. What I'm wondering, is how on earth did ATPG get a confession from God Emperor? Has he a backroom and a blowtorch?

I can be very persuasive in lace.

[Diamondeye]

Night 4 Ends
The end is near...

In the fourth night, there was but a handful survivors. The recent deaths had greatly distressed the High Priest of the Twelve Gods, who now sat meditating in his room. He was brought out of his concentration when the door creaked, and he looked up nerveously.

A charming young man entered the room, surely to seek the counsel of the old priest. The old man smiled at the approaching stranger, too late realizing that he was concealing his left hand, and in it, a longsword.
"Good night, old man!"
The blow hit AskThePizzaGuy straight in the chest, and his old body was thrown to the hard floor, lethally wounded.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

AskThePizzaGuy was The High Priest of the Twelve Gods! He was innocent!

Elan was sitting in his room, plinking at his lute quietly. He played so quietly, in fact, that he heard the footfalls of an approaching figure, and he looked up at the newcomer and smiled. "Hey V, what're you doing up so late?"
The elf frowned. He looked at the bard with a great and sad determination in his eyes.
"Aren't you right-handed, Elan?"
"Oh, uhm, well, I try to practice both of my hands equally. So the strings don't cut my skin too much."
"You fully well know you cannot become Ambidextrous without the proper feat, Elan."
"Oh-uh, really? I had no idea."
"I think you do, Nale."
"I... am Elan, V. You know, the good twin?"
"Prove it."
"How?"
"If you were Elan, you'd know how to. But I'll play along. Sing a song for me."
"Uhm, okay... Oh, How I-"
"Disintregrate!"
"Quickened Magic Missile!"
The magic attacks hammered against Elan's body.
"Damn you, Wizard! I'll get you!"
Nale got up, longsword in his left hand, and advanced on Vaarsavius, despite the heavy damage.
"Hold Person!"

A magic barrier surrounded Nale, holding him in place.
"Now, I think I'll call the others, shall I?"
"Sound Burst!"

A roaring wave of noise expanded from the room out into the entire palace. Soon, everyone came running. Vaarsavius stood unmoving, merely gesturing at the paralyzed Nale. Quickly, Durkon got up to him, and casted Detect Evil.
There could be no doubt; They had apprehended the leader of the Linear Guild.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

God Emperor was Elan of the Order of the Stick!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

It was a cover role for Nale of the Linear Guild!

Town Victory!

[Beskar]

Wait... it can't be right... the town hasn't won, Beskar is the mafia!

[robbiecon]

Good job Yaropolk!

[God Emperor]

Did yarapolk kill me ? :) good job.

Romanic was my favorite townie of the game .. very active and on guard :) we had many nice long talks :p

ATPG , we ofc had a fun talk in the end.. else you were not as active as I could have hoped :( oh well : >

Thanks for the game DE , it was a well chosen theme

http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/5djtP8uA3h5 the mafia quick topic

[Secura]

Reading the QT makes me want to find God Emperor and Renata... and ruffle their hair. <3

I should stop playing this game. I'm too good at playing town and too poor at playing mafia; it's the worst possible combination for actual enjoyment. It's always in the mafia's interest to kill me early, and always in the town's to lynch me if I haven't been killed. Which means effectively that it is impossible for me to succeed even when I dont' screw up. Which I usually do, lately.

I know the feeling here; it's not fun at all, but don't stop playing because of it... I haven't. :3

[Yaropolk]

Order of the Stick Mafia
Role PM

Character: Vaarsavius
"I require a reminder as to why raining arcane destruction is not an appropriate response to all of life's indignities. Quickly, please, before they are out of range."

Victory Condition: Innocent: All enemies of the town are eliminated.
Combat Strength: 10
Abilities: Scry - At night, you can keep watch over another player, detecting anyone who visit them in their sleep.
Disintegrate - You can also choose to attack another player, killing them if their strength is lower than yours. This permanently lowers your strength by 1, no matter the outcome of the attack.

You may only do one action every night.

Background:
Vaarsavius is the elven Wizard of the Order of the Stick, and the most powerful in terms of sheer firepower. The downside of this is V's fragility in close combat, as well as his/her load of weak spots - V is not physically strong or of good constitution, comes off as a distanced loner who often treats others to either a good deal of snarking and sarcasm, or overly long speeches that exposes V's pride more than his/her actual intelligence. V also seems to lack a high enough wisdom score to have developed a moral compass of any consquence, although his time with the Order of the Stick is gradually beginning to repair at least the personal flaws, if not that of his stats.

V is in many ways an egocentric; he/she believes that, given enough time, he/she has the inteliigence and power to solve any problem. Obviously, things don't work out that way, which is why V is lucky to have the Order of the Stick around to help in times of need. V's underlying personality is still determined to do his/her best to solve every problem that the group encounters, however, and when faced by enemies who are out to kill you, logic quite clearly states that the best method of defense is a good attack; permanently disabling your enemies is a good way of making sure that they can never get back at you, and as V has the power to do so, it also falls as his/her responsibility.

Note that you are one of the very few characters in the game to have multiple abilities available to you. You may only use one every night.

Note that your combat strength is high enough to potentially save you from a night attack.

I still want to know how ATPG coaxed a confession out of GE

[Askthepizzaguy]

I still want to know how ATPG coaxed a confession out of GE

Behold....

1/23/2011 8:10:14 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Hello
1/23/2011 8:10:23 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy hey :)
1/23/2011 8:11:06 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Well anyways. The cat is out of the bag, it seems, with regards to Renata.
1/23/2011 8:11:31 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy hmm ?
1/23/2011 8:11:32 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy ahh
1/23/2011 8:11:36 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy did you speak with her ?
1/23/2011 8:11:42 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor No.
1/23/2011 8:11:48 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor not outside of the thread anyway
1/23/2011 8:12:03 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy she is at least going to be lynched
1/23/2011 8:12:41 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Yeah. I guess we shall see if our investigator is worth his salt.
1/23/2011 8:13:14 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy oh.. I was under the impression that the investigator talk with beskar was just bluff
1/23/2011 8:13:20 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor It was.
1/23/2011 8:13:25 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy like your vigilante kill on me :@
1/23/2011 8:13:30 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor That too.
1/23/2011 8:13:35 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Wanted to see if you'd kill me.
1/23/2011 8:13:41 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy lol
1/23/2011 8:13:59 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy though tbh I properly would
1/23/2011 8:14:07 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor You should.
1/23/2011 8:14:32 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy yeah if it would negate a vigilante kill

Around this point, I noticed that God Emperor was more than a little concerned about his own life. More so than basic townie would suggest. So I tried to suggest to him that he should kill me, to see his reaction.

1/23/2011 8:14:40 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor It wouldn't.
1/23/2011 8:14:43 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Both would succeed
1/23/2011 8:14:51 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy then it would be pointless killing you imo
1/23/2011 8:14:53 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy in this game at least
1/23/2011 8:14:55 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy or no
1/23/2011 8:14:56 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy ..
1/23/2011 8:14:59 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy you would have high strength then

He's fishing for information. He wants something, so, I bait him a little more. I speak now as if I know for sure he's mafia, but I have something up my sleeve or otherwise don't care that he is.

1/23/2011 8:15:15 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor it still removes my vote and a highly likely to be innocent person
1/23/2011 8:15:34 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor The downside of course in leaving me alive is the guaranteed vote that cancels out yours.
1/23/2011 8:15:47 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Leaving your fate to those who who decide between us.
1/23/2011 8:16:00 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor If you kill me, that means one less guaranteed vote.
1/23/2011 8:16:27 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy meh I don't know really. people seem set already
1/23/2011 8:16:36 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy as I understand it's because of the move I pulled on Renata
1/23/2011 8:17:13 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Here's my thinking.
1/23/2011 8:17:23 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor we have a detective. A detective in a game this small.
1/23/2011 8:17:35 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor That means there's likely someone who can fool the detective.
1/23/2011 8:17:52 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor That's why, I believe, unless we get another guilty result, from here on out, it is guesswork.
1/23/2011 8:18:03 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor My guess is on you for several reasons.
1/23/2011 8:18:10 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I feel confident in lynching you blindly.

This, plus what I said in-thread about not believing any scan results on him, and wanting him dead, ramps up the pressure to an almost 100% chance of losing the game if he leaves me alive. This kind of pressure is the kind I only apply when I am supremely confident, otherwise people will think I am bluffing. Here, I wasn't bluffing, and I rarely ever use this kind of pressure, so you know I'm deadly serious about it.

Here, the only way God Emperor wins the game is to kill me, or..... if he thought I was not townie..... and revealed to me. The light bulb goes off in my head. I literally have the idea right around this point in the conversation, and then move forward with it on instinct.

1/23/2011 8:18:25 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy oh I have been scanned ?
1/23/2011 8:18:46 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy lynching me blindly that's even less chances than what you gave me in CoV :P
1/23/2011 8:18:58 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I know, friend. I only do that when I'm pretty sure.
1/23/2011 8:19:13 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy :O
1/23/2011 8:19:14 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy okay
1/23/2011 8:19:17 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy what are the reasons ?
1/23/2011 8:19:32 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Well, I can discount several people as suspects, for several reasons, some stronger than others.
1/23/2011 8:19:47 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor By process of elimination alone, your name comes up.
1/23/2011 8:20:04 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor But, your votes and behavior, and the behavior of known scums towards you, seem to also be indicative.
1/23/2011 8:20:42 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I don't know about the behavior of known scum towards me. but what is it with my own behavior ? :O
1/23/2011 8:20:45 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor That said, it's not a slam dunk. But I feel that there will be a wrong detective result on someone in this game, and I don't trust the results unless they say guilty.
1/23/2011 8:21:01 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I do not believe "innocent" anymore.
1/23/2011 8:21:04 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Just instinctive.

Being a game designer and host of more games than I can count (thus the theme of the upcoming ATPG Mafia II) I have a strong instinct about game setup. Only really bizarre setups throw me for a loop anymore. I know the game isn't balanced unless the mafia have an ace up their sleeve, and I was betting the entire farm it was an anti-investigation one. That blunts the town's most important and powerful role, giving the mafia some breathing space.

Still, if you expect that, it doesn't work. Game still favors the town, as it usually does.

1/23/2011 8:21:17 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy that's fine imo
1/23/2011 8:21:27 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Specifically, I could mention several posts.
1/23/2011 8:21:28 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor May I?
1/23/2011 8:21:33 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy go ahead ^^
1/23/2011 8:22:01 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I wouldn't mind knowing why you wish me killed so badly :P
1/23/2011 8:22:16 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor post 36, you voted for YLC. Someone I am absolutely confident is innocent.

Reason: He was so apathetic and distracted by RL, he wasn't voting or discussing. He does not lurk as mafia. But the smoking gun was the day he was about to get wogged, he would have been had I not sent him a timely, last-second message to tell him to vote for me or he would be wogged.

That he did spare himself, but only at my prompting, told me he was a townie. I'd believe that over almost any contrary evidence.

1/23/2011 8:22:28 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy 36
1/23/2011 8:22:32 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy that would be the first vote of the game
1/23/2011 8:22:32 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy ?
1/23/2011 8:22:46 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor yes
1/23/2011 8:22:50 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy lol ^^
1/23/2011 8:23:15 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy It's your call ofc, but I wouldn't put too much into a random vote on day one
1/23/2011 8:23:31 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor You voted for Beskar on day 2
1/23/2011 8:23:36 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I feel he's innocent as well

He was still a suspect, but I needed to ramp up the pressure some more on God Emperor. Acting confident when I am not, is one use of psychological warfare. GE might also suspect that Beskar was a doctor or investigator and have him killed off, if he is mafia. Being VERY sure on someone I am not sure about, can cause rash decisions by the mafia. Pressure pressure pressure.....

1/23/2011 8:23:47 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy yes and you may know him better than I do
1/23/2011 8:23:48 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but
1/23/2011 8:23:53 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy imo his behavior is way off
1/23/2011 8:25:02 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor You have a close connection to Renata
1/23/2011 8:25:04 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor a bit too close.
1/23/2011 8:25:44 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy that would be the thing about roles ?
1/23/2011 8:26:00 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Yeah, but the fact that you'd share so openly with Renata, seems a bit random.
1/23/2011 8:26:11 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy well you know my reason for doing so
1/23/2011 8:26:45 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053253243
1/23/2011 8:27:00 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Post 255, you give a bigger analysis on Renata than the others, but don't vote for her.
1/23/2011 8:27:22 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy give a bigger analysis ? oh
1/23/2011 8:27:24 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy because of the quotes ?
1/23/2011 8:27:36 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053253483
1/23/2011 8:27:45 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor 267, looks like an attempt to spare her.

These things are interesting and suspicious, but using this circumstantial evidence and almost declaring them to be ironclad proof of guilt, and shining the spotlight on his direct connections to a certain scumbag, is the kind of pressure no mafia, anywhere, ever wants to have to deal with. That's why I do it, it's an attempt to cause panic. But, I don't like to waste such tactics on people I'm not already sure about, or else people will just expect I am bluffing and ignore me. It's important that these tactics remain potent, so I use them very very sparingly.

GE of course tells me he's always remained calm when I question him like this. I believe him, but he's sort of unique in that regard. Besides, it's not just the emotion of panic I am looking for, but also planting subversive ideas into an otherwise rational mind... such as making it seem like failure is absolutely unavoidable without a miracle... and then giving my target the same miraculous option they desperately need.

Given what I knew of Ge's tactical situation if he were mafia, he really did not have much of a choice. We still had a living doctor and investigator, and apparently, a vigilante. I don't blame him for accepting the coming offer.

1/23/2011 8:28:05 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy it's not like my vote would ever spare her
1/23/2011 8:28:12 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I am well aware of that. and that is not the goal either
1/23/2011 8:28:21 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but there is simply no gain in voting for her as well
1/23/2011 8:28:52 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but really.. it's true there is more text if you add the quotes. but there is no bigger 'analysis' on her than anyone else
1/23/2011 8:28:58 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I point out the things that I find odd
1/23/2011 8:29:08 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but I haven't been given an answer on any of them yet
1/23/2011 8:29:21 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy neither witth questions on Beskar a few days ago..

A strong defense of his actions towards Renata. I obviously struck a nerve there. Then he tries to compare it to other actions he's done, by pointing out he also questioned Beskar.

These are calm, rational responses, but it's clear that resolving those questions are important to him and likely his victory.

1/23/2011 8:29:26 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I also know who the investigator is
1/23/2011 8:29:34 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor and I also know who has been cleared via scan
1/23/2011 8:29:47 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy tha doesn't make sense
1/23/2011 8:29:52 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy since you didn't believe scans :P
1/23/2011 8:30:06 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Scanned as innocent merely means "not a henchman"
1/23/2011 8:30:12 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor it could still be a godfather type role
1/23/2011 8:30:20 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor but, bereft of puppets, the godfather will fall
1/23/2011 8:30:24 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor it's only a matter of time.
1/23/2011 8:30:35 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy So you have sentenced me

So now, what is on God Emperor's plate, is that he is my main suspect, I'm very sure about him, I will refuse to believe investigation results clearing him, he is about to lose his final living ally to the lynch, I look very innocent from the town's perspective, and I also have access to the detective and his results and I strongly believe several other people are innocent.

This leaves God Emperor with too many adversaries and a highly unlikely sequence of events which must happen for him to win, starting with my death, the death of the doctor, the death of the investigator, and the death of anyone I happen to find innocent-looking. Then, he would have a shot.

Given the stark reality of the situation, even a high-risk and ill-advised move is still worth exploring.

1/23/2011 8:31:09 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Meh. If you were innocent, you could be murdered to discredit me.
1/23/2011 8:31:18 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor That would be one way out of this.
1/23/2011 8:31:23 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy it wouldn't descredit you in any way
1/23/2011 8:31:25 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy imo
1/23/2011 8:31:34 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy leaving me alive , if anything, is the smartest move
1/23/2011 8:31:38 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy as you are already set
1/23/2011 8:32:30 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but you are wrong

This is almost a confession itself. Here, he knows he's never going to die by murder.

So, the only, only logical explanation is to predict that this will happen.... and suggest it is all part of the mafia's master plan.

Better would be to say "with all the suspicion on me, I highly doubt I'll be attacked", but he's viewing it from the mafia's angle, which leads to the natural "the mafia would be wise to leave me alive".

I'm afraid it's been said many times before, almost always by scums of some kind.

1/23/2011 8:32:53 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Then I suggest you work extra hard and try to find a viable second suspect.
1/23/2011 8:33:01 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I'll have that one scanned.

One of my rules is, on the outside chance I am wrong (less outside than I'd like, recently....) I would like to scan his main suspect. His perspective, as a townie, would be fresh and interesting.

1/23/2011 8:33:02 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I really can't defend myself against my random vote on day 1. I voted for YLC because I don't know him very well.. like I do in every game
1/23/2011 8:33:28 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I don't want an alibi or an explanation. I want you to point a finger at someone, and have that person end up being scanned as guilty.
1/23/2011 8:33:32 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor That will spare you.
1/23/2011 8:33:32 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy the best I can ask is that you look on my behavior I guess.. I do as I always do (when I am not ill=s )
1/23/2011 8:33:41 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy you know who I point at
1/23/2011 8:33:42 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy Beskar
1/23/2011 8:33:45 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but you disagree
1/23/2011 8:33:50 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor If you insist.
1/23/2011 8:34:01 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor But if he's scanned as innocent, I'm voting for you over him.
1/23/2011 8:34:12 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy alright
1/23/2011 8:34:33 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy so it means I am being voted for no matter what (unless Beskar comes up as scum)

He goes back to defending himself, which was a little out of the blue. I re-direct him back to the topic I wished to discuss. I wanted him to start pointing fingers, like a real townie should in this situation. "If you die and are town, who should I pressure?" is the sort of question I often ask my fellow townies that I suspect are mafia. I've noticed that the mafia will either hesitate to suggest someone, and hesitate further to apply pressure to that person (for fear of OMGUS votes and otherwise having attention lavished on themselves) whereas townies have generally been good about naming their top suspects. Mafia don't have "top suspects" that they can name offhand, townies do.

The final sentence is damning. He knows Beskar is going to be scanned as innocent, and that he's totally doomed.

Gotta work on that poker face, God Emperor.


Some of the conversation went off-topic here, so I'll skip to the next segment.

1/23/2011 8:48:19 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor If I am right, you really should kill me, consider it my reward.
1/23/2011 8:48:30 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor or vengeance.
1/23/2011 8:48:31 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Whichever
1/23/2011 8:48:35 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy that's a wasted request though
1/23/2011 8:48:43 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor because you'll ignore it?
1/23/2011 8:48:50 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy out of vengeance ? :D it would be Beskar then if any ^_^
1/23/2011 8:48:58 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I'll protect him.
1/23/2011 8:49:00 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy Because I don't kill : P
1/23/2011 8:49:05 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Oh? That's a shame.
1/23/2011 8:49:12 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Can you gain killing powers when Renata dies?
1/23/2011 8:49:17 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I am too good mannered to kill people
1/23/2011 8:49:27 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I sincerely doubt that
1/23/2011 8:49:27 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Who is your character anyway

I didn't even bother asking him what his claim was until now, and only out of morbid curiosity. At this point I didn't really care what his fake role was, tbh... I felt very sure.

1/23/2011 8:49:46 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy guess it doesn't matter as all should know it by now. I am my favorite character Elan :D

Romanic and I discussed this, iirc. We felt Elan was the reflexive cover role for Nale, who we knew we were after.

Bad cover role. Too easy to spot. It had no effect on the game though, everything was already in motion by this point.

1/23/2011 8:49:54 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy what about you ?
1/23/2011 8:51:02 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy don't know if you ever read the strips
1/23/2011 8:51:07 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I never have
1/23/2011 8:51:07 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but he is an idiotic bard
1/23/2011 8:51:18 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor but apparently Elan would be Nale's identical brother
1/23/2011 8:51:22 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor and we're looking to nail Nale.
1/23/2011 8:51:22 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy yes he is
1/23/2011 8:51:25 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy they are twins
1/23/2011 8:51:35 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy yeah that sounds right
1/23/2011 8:52:06 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy it would be a really bad cover role though if I would be nale
1/23/2011 8:52:16 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Sometimes people get bad cover roles.
1/23/2011 8:52:18 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Look at CoV

Here, his frustration with his bad cover role seeps into the conversation. Subtle tells, but like a hint of poo-poo smell in the air, it lets you know that something much stinkier was behind it.

1/23/2011 8:52:25 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy look at
1/23/2011 8:52:29 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy what was his name
1/23/2011 8:52:35 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy .... .. cecil
1/23/2011 8:53:15 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor what was his cover role?
1/23/2011 8:53:32 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy iirc it was something that didn't have anything to do with his character
1/23/2011 8:53:33 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy same with
1/23/2011 8:53:35 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy autolycus
1/23/2011 8:53:39 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy checking
1/23/2011 8:55:19 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy autolucus was a paladin
1/23/2011 8:55:34 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but his real role was Belkar, member of the order of the stick
1/23/2011 8:55:37 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy no connection
1/23/2011 8:56:11 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor why, Belkar isnt a paladin?
1/23/2011 8:56:15 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy cecil was green oracle guard
1/23/2011 8:56:20 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy Belkar is a ranger hobbit
1/23/2011 8:56:26 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy the other is a paladin human iirc
1/23/2011 8:56:34 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but he was Thog
1/23/2011 8:56:48 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy and Thog is a goblin henchman
1/23/2011 8:56:52 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy no connection at all
1/23/2011 8:57:24 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy that is what I mean, that my real role is NOT Nale

More conversation about cover roles. I extended and prolonged the discussion so there was a gap between the steps I was taking. I wanted it to sound very, very natural what I was about to say.... not tip off God Emperor that I had a trap planned for him.

1/23/2011 8:57:41 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I'm a nameless priest dude.
1/23/2011 8:57:46 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor but my real role is...
1/23/2011 8:57:55 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy then you are a member of the order of the stick imo ?
1/23/2011 8:57:58 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor LEEEEEROOOOYYYY JENKINSSSSS
1/23/2011 8:58:03 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I see :P
1/23/2011 8:58:16 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Yes, I am neutral. I win if I survive.
1/23/2011 8:58:25 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor But Leeroy never survives.
1/23/2011 8:58:31 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy that's a tough one
1/23/2011 8:58:38 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor So now you see why I have to make the mafia die?
1/23/2011 8:58:43 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor It's the only way I'll live.

This is not the first time I've falsely claimed to be Leeroy Jenkins, by the way. I also did it in one of the swords and d20's games to great effect. I like Leeroy Jenkins. It's so off, but still sounds almost plausible as a bizarre surprise role.

Claiming neutral is better than claiming SK, because SK is a threat to the mafia and I haven't been killing.
Claiming neutral is better than claiming recruitable townie, because I don't know if GE can recruit.

1/23/2011 8:58:48 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy that's not true
1/23/2011 8:58:51 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy we both know that
1/23/2011 8:58:59 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I can't trust the mafia.
1/23/2011 8:59:04 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Especially after CoV
1/23/2011 8:59:17 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I don't know what side deals you had running there though : P
1/23/2011 8:59:23 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Simple
1/23/2011 8:59:28 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor don't kill me and I won't kill you
1/23/2011 8:59:34 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor and they couldn't hold up their end
1/23/2011 8:59:43 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor and with beskar, it was simple
1/23/2011 8:59:48 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I revealed in honesty, and he did not
1/23/2011 8:59:49 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but it's true.. won't forget the backstab I experienced in the senata mafia game
1/23/2011 8:59:59 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but your goal was to kill his team
1/23/2011 9:00:01 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy a member of his team
1/23/2011 9:00:03 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy the strongest one
1/23/2011 9:00:06 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor So?
1/23/2011 9:00:14 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy So Ofc he cannot work with you
1/23/2011 9:00:16 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor As an ordinary serial killer, I would have been much, much worse.
1/23/2011 9:00:23 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor And yet, mafia and SK team up all the time
1/23/2011 9:00:28 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Easily doable.
1/23/2011 9:00:29 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Easily.
1/23/2011 9:00:35 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Even with directly conflicting victories.
1/23/2011 9:00:41 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Because town is much worse
1/23/2011 9:00:45 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor and both are allied against town
1/23/2011 9:00:53 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor by default they have a common foe
1/23/2011 9:01:02 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor All they need to do is agree to kill townies together
1/23/2011 9:01:10 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor and if town lynches one, that solves the whole conflict
1/23/2011 9:01:11 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy pevergreen was neutral too.. how many are there ?
1/23/2011 9:01:23 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Dunno.

Plausibility points: pevergreen was neutral.

1/23/2011 9:01:36 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy alright. you never know how active you are behind the scenes
1/23/2011 9:01:42 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor But you claim you won't kill me. That's fine.
1/23/2011 9:01:50 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I would imagine
1/23/2011 9:02:04 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I could survive a night attack anyways
1/23/2011 9:02:10 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I doubt that
1/23/2011 9:02:20 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Fine. I made that part up.
1/23/2011 9:02:23 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy you are a little lier

Added credibility: Act like I would actually act as a neutral role, which is "cover my bases" and bluff that I am a bad kill anyway... because I'd survive somehow.

All my actions to-date can be explained by a desire to not be lynched, to quickly kill the mafia, or possibly direct the mafia's kill away from me, even with a bluff.

The lie adds credibility to my story, because it sounds like what neutral Pizzaguy would say.

Subtle details make or break all lies. If something doesn't feel right instinctively, it's probably because of a little usually unnoticeable detail like that.

I have to throw myself into the character to remember such details.

1/23/2011 9:02:40 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor But if you are mafia and you want to win, you have to bet on this horse.
1/23/2011 9:02:45 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Otherwise you're going down.
1/23/2011 9:02:48 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy indeed I would
1/23/2011 9:03:07 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but you would already have chosen side
1/23/2011 9:03:10 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy as far as I can hear
1/23/2011 9:03:18 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Meh.
1/23/2011 9:04:02 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy you like aiding the small parties
1/23/2011 9:04:36 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I keep trying to anyway. The town is usually the underdog
1/23/2011 9:04:48 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor but lately town has gotten.... shall we say.... overpowered?
1/23/2011 9:05:11 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I even broke pattern and tried to aid the Dark Samus mafia, just to see if I could stay alive long enough to whack Samus.
1/23/2011 9:05:18 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Then I would turn on them, yes.
1/23/2011 9:05:24 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor But, I could have died in the meanwhile.
1/23/2011 9:05:31 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor So it was still worth it

The point. I've made it clear I have God Emperor by the faction heirs, and that I want something.

I want him to not murder me. I want him to quit messing around and get to the point. The point is, you must ally with me or I WILL kill you.

Carrot and stick are fine apart, best when together.

1/23/2011 9:05:46 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy Town is strong. I am not aware of how many power roles there are though
1/23/2011 9:05:52 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I am

"Town is strong" is a confession, point blank. I know I have him for certain here. But I play it cool, because I am already infiltrating. I must collect all data I can. I offer to tell him what the power roles are in this game, which is what he wants, badly.

1/23/2011 9:06:00 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy what can you do ?
1/23/2011 9:06:10 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I know of who they are and what they do.
1/23/2011 9:06:23 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy is that a power role, or game activity
1/23/2011 9:06:31 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor just speaking privately
1/23/2011 9:06:38 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy figures
1/23/2011 9:06:43 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy though you haven't spoken that much with me
1/23/2011 9:06:48 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I didn't trust you
1/23/2011 9:07:00 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy you speak with everyone if you trust them or not
1/23/2011 9:07:11 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Yes, that's why I am speaking to you now.
1/23/2011 9:07:13 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy are you really Romanics scanner ?
1/23/2011 9:07:18 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor No.
1/23/2011 9:07:24 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I don't have such powers.

Notice I still have not stated who the power roles are. I lose nothing by aborting this mission now, and pointing the big finger at GE. He no longer has any leverage to get any information out of me, but his tongue has been loosened.

1/23/2011 9:07:28 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy alright.. lying would be pointless in your situation anyway
1/23/2011 9:08:01 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy don't you care about gameroom statistics ?
1/23/2011 9:08:59 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor What about them?
1/23/2011 9:09:10 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy well
1/23/2011 9:09:15 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy revealing to me that you are a neutral party
1/23/2011 9:09:27 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy is to give me an edge. nothing more.. so it just made me wonder
1/23/2011 9:09:45 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy perhaps it was a subtle way of offering asisstance ?
1/23/2011 9:11:29 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy because you surely had the power to possibly tip the scales
1/23/2011 9:12:04 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I don't really want to die, and if you kill me, there I go.
1/23/2011 9:12:15 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor But here I have some leverage
1/23/2011 9:12:21 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I can take you down with me.
1/23/2011 9:12:26 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor If that's how you want to play it.
1/23/2011 9:12:38 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Otherwise, we press onward together.
1/23/2011 9:12:42 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Deal or no deal.
1/23/2011 9:12:52 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Your choice.

Here, I push him past the point of no return; he's already all but told me he is mafia. He must flat-out confirm he wants to form an alliance with a claimed neutral in order to destroy the town, while avoiding killing me.

By now, I've also somewhat incriminated myself with my story, so if GE was a townie, he'd have leverage over me and he would know I am not crucial to his victory. By now, if GE were a townie playing games, it would have been clear.

When he asks if I am offering him assistance, that's the smokingest gun of all smoking guns. Now I feel no hesitation to use whatever lies I have, and gain maximum information from him before destroying him.

1/23/2011 9:12:55 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy Deal

Seals the deal. Now he has to share info with me, to make this alliance profitable. I make sure the game is really over and I've gained all the info I can from him before tightening the rope.

1/23/2011 9:13:17 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Do you actually have any powers?
1/23/2011 9:13:22 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy yes I Do
1/23/2011 9:13:23 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor something useful?
1/23/2011 9:13:24 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy do *
1/23/2011 9:13:37 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy it really depends on other peoples strengths
1/23/2011 9:13:39 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy as mine is 8
1/23/2011 9:13:50 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy it's awfully low
1/23/2011 9:13:51 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor what can you do with it
1/23/2011 9:13:54 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy kill

So, he can kill. Good to know.

1/23/2011 9:13:57 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor well mine is 5, so don't feel bad.
1/23/2011 9:14:04 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor You could probably one shot me.
1/23/2011 9:14:17 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I could.. but I wouldn't do that. and certainly not now
1/23/2011 9:14:32 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I would much rather push for a GE / ATPG victory (:

Me too, buddy. Sadly, the one time I am not a neutral role in this situation.

1/23/2011 9:14:41 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Question, if you got scanned, could you actually avoid it at all?
1/23/2011 9:14:48 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Or do I need to press for you not to be scanned?
1/23/2011 9:14:58 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor And scan beskar
1/23/2011 9:15:02 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I have no idea.. it doesn't mention god father protection anywhere
1/23/2011 9:15:08 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but I am the god father role
1/23/2011 9:15:17 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy so it's not impossible.. but avoiding it would be the best

Are you the droids we're looking for?

-Yes, yes I am. I am the Godfather.

Thanks for the info.

1/23/2011 9:15:20 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Did you get to choose your henchman?
1/23/2011 9:15:25 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy nah
1/23/2011 9:15:29 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I didn't choose anything
1/23/2011 9:15:29 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor that sucks
1/23/2011 9:15:34 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor that's the best part of being a GF
1/23/2011 9:15:37 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor choosing your team
1/23/2011 9:15:42 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Cecil and Renata, good picks anyway
1/23/2011 9:15:44 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor nice random.

Didn't pick henchman. Okay, more info about the game setup.

1/23/2011 9:15:54 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy yeah.. though I almost gave up after Renata's mistake
1/23/2011 9:16:28 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor what was her mistake?
1/23/2011 9:16:38 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy she made an obvious connection between her and me
1/23/2011 9:16:44 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy she told romanic what his role was : s
1/23/2011 9:16:47 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy because I got it out of romanic
1/23/2011 9:16:51 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor yeah
1/23/2011 9:16:56 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor that is pretty unusual
1/23/2011 9:16:59 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy then she said that I told her 5 pm
1/23/2011 9:17:04 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy that same time I talked with Romanic
1/23/2011 9:17:07 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I would NEVER do that
1/23/2011 9:17:32 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but I made an excuse , the best I could think of, durring the 10 minutes I had :P
1/23/2011 9:17:41 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor it was good cover.
1/23/2011 9:17:44 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Almost buy-able.
1/23/2011 9:18:05 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy do you know the scanners strength ?
1/23/2011 9:18:32 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy it would still be 3 vs 2 iirc
1/23/2011 9:18:40 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy so some awesome ATPG frame would be needed (:
1/23/2011 9:18:44 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy a linse of lies
1/23/2011 9:18:47 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy if you catch my drift
1/23/2011 9:19:30 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor lense of lies?
1/23/2011 9:19:33 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor lens*
1/23/2011 9:20:00 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I hear you.
1/23/2011 9:20:13 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy yes :P
1/23/2011 9:20:15 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I'll see what I can come up with.
1/23/2011 9:20:29 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy what do you know ? I wouldn't mind adding ideas
1/23/2011 9:20:34 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy at least I am not all uncreative
1/23/2011 9:20:58 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Well is there any way to turn your power into something that can seem pro-town?
1/23/2011 9:21:06 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor claiming vig won't work though.

Fishing for additional abilities, if any.

1/23/2011 9:21:27 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy that would be late.. I fear. concidered the amount of talk I have had with Romanic
1/23/2011 9:21:36 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor mmm yes.
1/23/2011 9:21:43 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Do you know any other neutral roles?
1/23/2011 9:21:50 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor We could try simply outvoting.
1/23/2011 9:21:56 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy no.. tbh I don't know any roles : s.. I know Romanics
1/23/2011 9:22:02 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor what is his role?
1/23/2011 9:22:07 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor he told me he was vanilla
1/23/2011 9:22:07 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy it is red guard
1/23/2011 9:22:11 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor what can he do
1/23/2011 9:22:22 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy nothing I believe.. it seems plausible
1/23/2011 9:22:37 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy if we must outvote people, then we need one supporter and one scape goat
1/23/2011 9:22:50 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy the fact that there actually is a scanner out there is a problem

Knowing what, if any, other neutral roles were in the game assists me in determining how much potential voting power the remaining mafia have. I am not sure yet if he can recruit neutrals, too.

1/23/2011 9:22:55 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Well if Beskar gets scanned he cannot become a scapegoat
1/23/2011 9:23:04 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor thing is, Romanic has already been scanned
1/23/2011 9:23:33 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy the problem is that the scanner can say ' I wouldn't lynch that guy' or ' I would lynch that guy'
1/23/2011 9:23:37 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy unless DE does like Chaotix
1/23/2011 9:23:41 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy and does not give results if you die
1/23/2011 9:23:46 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor probably not
1/23/2011 9:23:56 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy it's most normal to give results I fear
1/23/2011 9:24:39 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but there is no way this is going to be a strength victory. it will have to be an outnumber
1/23/2011 9:24:55 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor why, did you guys lose most of your strength
1/23/2011 9:25:02 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy why ofc
1/23/2011 9:25:05 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I am the weakst
1/23/2011 9:25:07 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy weakest
1/23/2011 9:25:16 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy Renata , the strongest
1/23/2011 9:25:19 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor why would the godfather role be the weakest
1/23/2011 9:25:20 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor seems odd
1/23/2011 9:25:24 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor can you at least recruit?

Knowing his strength was useful too, I suppose. Asking him if he could recruit was the biggie, so I waited until he was confident he could/should trust me.

1/23/2011 9:25:27 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy that was my innitial reaction
1/23/2011 9:25:32 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I can do nothing except being worse
1/23/2011 9:25:34 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy however
1/23/2011 9:25:43 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy it's not impossible that DE has hidden mechanics
1/23/2011 9:25:45 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy and tbh
1/23/2011 9:25:50 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I may be able to avoid a scan
1/23/2011 9:25:58 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy based on my role pm
1/23/2011 9:26:02 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy since elan and nale are twins
1/23/2011 9:26:08 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy except nale have a goatee
1/23/2011 9:26:11 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Yeah. It makes story sense.
1/23/2011 9:26:12 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy but he has shaved that
1/23/2011 9:26:17 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor You could shave it yeah.
1/23/2011 9:26:21 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor But no recruitment power?
1/23/2011 9:26:28 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy it is pointed out that the goatee has been shaved
1/23/2011 9:26:32 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy no , only killing
1/23/2011 9:26:35 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I am the weakst member
1/23/2011 9:26:38 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy unless I am scan imune
1/23/2011 9:26:44 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I am the head of the guild

Probably scan immune he says. He cannot recruit anyone, either.... Excellent. Now I get that the game setup was at least somewhat balanced; and I know that I needn't waste any more of the investigator's time. It was now necessary to boat the bass.

1/23/2011 9:26:49 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Well, God Emperor.
1/23/2011 9:27:11 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I am afraid I have to ask you to steel yourself for what I am about to tell you next.
1/23/2011 9:27:18 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Because it's not good news.

I fully realize how scummy everything I just did to God Emperor was; beyond the usual moves. So I wanted to let him down as gently as possible.

1/23/2011 9:27:39 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy the fact that I am relying on neutral parties suggest that I am in a bad situation :P
1/23/2011 9:27:40 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy so go ahead :D
1/23/2011 9:27:51 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor *hugs*
1/23/2011 9:27:53 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Sorry.
1/23/2011 9:27:58 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I am not in fact a neutral role.
1/23/2011 9:28:04 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy that's okay :P
1/23/2011 9:28:08 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I was coercing a confession out of you.
1/23/2011 9:28:17 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy that was expected
1/23/2011 9:28:19 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy however
1/23/2011 9:28:29 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy as I am lynch bait already
1/23/2011 9:28:36 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor You didn't have much to lose.
1/23/2011 9:28:37 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Yeah
1/23/2011 9:28:44 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I probably would have done the same
1/23/2011 9:28:51 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor *shake hands*
1/23/2011 9:29:04 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Good game though. I prefer it to be won based on guile rather than investigations.
1/23/2011 9:29:12 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor You are the only one I played this ruse with.
1/23/2011 9:29:24 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor So, that meant it was won based on a correct guess.
1/23/2011 9:29:40 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor You guys gave a good effort.
1/23/2011 9:29:50 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor If you had been able to recruit; I might have said recruit me.
1/23/2011 9:30:01 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I need more mafia wins.
1/23/2011 9:30:10 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy heh :P
1/23/2011 9:30:13 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy well my statistics are ruined
1/23/2011 9:30:15 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy anyway
1/23/2011 9:30:20 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy I somehow always lose :P
1/23/2011 9:30:27 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Oh you're doing fine.
1/23/2011 9:30:37 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor I felt the game setup worked against you here
1/23/2011 9:30:43 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor But, avoiding an investigation
1/23/2011 9:30:47 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor that might have won you the game
1/23/2011 9:30:56 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor except, we had already suspected you might have been able to.
1/23/2011 9:31:00 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Good townie play this time.
1/23/2011 9:31:03 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Very perceptive.
1/23/2011 9:31:07 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy no it wouldn't.. you wouldn't let go.. Beskar was set.. and I was the only real suspect
1/23/2011 9:31:07 AM God Emperor Askthepizzaguy imo
1/23/2011 9:31:11 AM Askthepizzaguy God Emperor Yeah.

The finale could have been more drawn out and anticlimactic if I didn't press God Emperor more. Besides, if I had been wrong, I needed time to go try such a thing on other suspects.

Good game, everyone.

Pizza,

we're down to 7 people in OOTS

God Emperor
Beskar
YLC

You
Me
RobbieCon
Romanic

I know the identities of the last 4, however I am very much bothered by the fact that we appear to have 2 investigators in such a small game. Can you tell me who told you about Secura's role? I'm willing to share all my info with you if you are willing to do the same.

Yaro

Not necessary, Yaropolk. I bet infinity dollars that God Emperor is the droids we're looking for.