[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Renata]

I've just read the Phazon QuickTopic, and I have to say that I'm amazed that not only did TC/Renata completely misread me, but there were townspeople who thought along the same lines and it completely baffles me as to why.

As you can see, I was completely vanilla despite the utter awesomeness of my character... so why was there such a "high probability" that I was Beskar's confidante and why did I "have to die"? I'm still struggling to really join up the dots, I just don't see the reasoning behind it and I feel that now the game's over, maybe I can finally get some closure over the whole thing.

It wasn't a matter of reading you, per se, it was just that the only way for Beskar to be legit was if someone had been certain enough of his towniness to tell him an investigation result so early. You're literally the only person around who has ever claimed to have that kind of judgment on him, in any game, ever. It was you or no one.

As it turned out, it was no one.

[Chaotix]

Agreed. The only thing I really object to is more a matter of taste: when mafia, I HATE being provided with cover roles that are in some way flawed. I feel like if they're given, they should be solid ones, not punishments for being forced to claim.

I think I'm going to wind up changing this in the future. Weak cover roles were a significant factor in some of the mafia dying.

I always hate having to rationalize Townie A being a cover for Mafia B when they look nothing alike, but it's definitely the right way to go, rather than them being dead giveaways.

[Renata]

There was also ability steal/copy. Then a normal scan could reveal captain falcon (who would be seen as a pro-town), but would pick up on suspicious cover-roles.

And roleblock, and activity scan (which got me), and the serial killers, and vigilantes. Plenty of ways to trip us up, most of which were successful at some point or other.

[Renata]

I think I'm going to wind up changing this in the future. Weak cover roles were a significant factor in some of the mafia dying.

I always hate having to rationalize Townie A being a cover for Mafia B when they look nothing alike, but it's definitely the right way to go, rather than them being dead giveaways.

Thank you. As someone (I think it was ATPG) pointed out, there's in general no reason the mafia have to USE a flawed cover role that they know is flawed ... except when the writeups use the real covers, making lying every bit as bad an option as telling the truth. In a game where that's not the case, it's not quite as big a deal.

[Secura]

You're literally the only person around who has ever claimed to have that kind of judgment on him, in any game, ever.

Well, I think that my statement was largely down to naivete, as it's very rare these days that Beskar reveals his role to me and I don't find myself raising an eyebrow, even when he does turn out to be town-aligned; as it happens, I had felt there was something 'off' about his Jill Valentine claim to me (I think it was the manner in which he'd said "I have no abilities"), but I had no idea he was mafia until after I was killed and he told me about killing Reenk/Sasaki.

I guess looking scummy all the time is a good element of his playstyle! :P

[Choxorn]

Looking at the mafia QT's, I really wonder why you guys killed me. Pever looks like he killed me at random. I'm not mad at the Phazon team for killing me just after I died in Earthling's CFC game, since none of them were in that. I'm a bit annoyed at the Bowser mafia, though- you guys should have known about all my recent deaths. And I can't even figure out why you killed me- you seemed like you were trying to target scanners around that time, but I had no abilities and never indicated that I did have any. So... why exactly did you kill me?

[TinCow]

Well, I think that my statement was largely down to naivete, as it's very rare these days that Beskar reveals his role to me and I don't find myself raising an eyebrow, even when he does turn out to be town-aligned; as it happens, I had felt there was something 'off' about his Jill Valentine claim to me (I think it was the manner in which he'd said "I have no abilities"), but I had no idea he was mafia until after I was killed and he told me about killing Reenk/Sasaki.

I guess looking scummy all the time is a good element of his playstyle! :P

You have to keep in mind as well that I was bluffing when I said that only the mafia had X-Ray Visor. I was pretty sure the mafia DID have that ability, but I actually did think it was likely there was at least one pro-town role that started with that ability as well. So, in my mind I had to weigh the idea of Beskar being contacted by a true pro-town role as well as by a mafia partner. It didn't matter to us which one it was, because we wanted the investigator dead regardless, but both options were on the table for us. You'll notice we also wanted to go after Diamondeye that night (via an IDFH block) due to Sasaki's feelings on his public statements. So, we were really just trying to maximize the possibility of killing or disabling the investigator immediately.

[robbiecon]

I really wish I hadn't been killed off instantly, but c'est la vie!

[pevergreen]

Pevergreen from the QT:

Its a lower case.

Basically, I wanted to say something about each of the remaining players. When I got to you and I think Nictel, I couldn't actually remember anything you'd done.

Looking at the mafia QT's, I really wonder why you guys killed me. Pever looks like he killed me at random. I'm not mad at the Phazon team for killing me just after I died in Earthling's CFC game, since none of them were in that. I'm a bit annoyed at the Bowser mafia, though- you guys should have known about all my recent deaths. And I can't even figure out why you killed me- you seemed like you were trying to target scanners around that time, but I had no abilities and never indicated that I did have any. So... why exactly did you kill me?

You were the first night kill by me? It was either random or something you said on D1, due to them not letting me killl Glenn.

[Frozen In Ice]

Just read through the Bowser quick topic and I saw that you guys though I had Scan visor after the King Dedede. That was actually God Emperor's the whole time, and he wasn't to happy actually that I went after Jarema after he had scanned him.

[Beskar]

You have to keep in mind as well that I was bluffing when I said that only the mafia had X-Ray Visor. I was pretty sure the mafia DID have that ability, but I actually did think it was likely there was at least one pro-town role that started with that ability as well. So, in my mind I had to weigh the idea of Beskar being contacted by a true pro-town role as well as by a mafia partner. It didn't matter to us which one it was, because we wanted the investigator dead regardless, but both options were on the table for us. You'll notice we also wanted to go after Diamondeye that night (via an IDFH block) due to Sasaki's feelings on his public statements. So, we were really just trying to maximize the possibility of killing or disabling the investigator immediately.

It was a play of WIFOM. Because surely, no mafia would ever reveal themselves on Day 2 as it would be suicide and it was pretty much working. What was my downfall was when the mysterious sudden round extension, then when that happened, I knew I was a goner and just had to fight for survival. It would have worked but the whole "Plasma Cannon" thing make ATPG go crazy thinking I was Samus (because that sounds like a Samus weapon), hence why he attacked me at night. Though on a positive note, my death meant pever lived longer.

As for my later message, the numbers were a code in phone-number format. The idea was, I was going to reveal the pro-town targets to you, so pever knew who to watch out for. But as you said, you didn't really trust me on that.

[DELETE_THIS]

Basically, I wanted to say something about each of the remaining players. When I got to you and I think Nictel, I couldn't actually remember anything you'd done.

If autolycus hadn't blocked me, I so regret not using ice guard that night, I would have killed you.

[pevergreen]

If autolycus hadn't blocked me, I so regret not using ice guard that night, I would have killed you.

? I dont understand.

[DELETE_THIS]

? I dont understand.

The night Dane/Falcon/Chuck attacked you? I send this in:

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Ok let's take it for a ride. NO GUTS, NO GLORY! :: TARGET THEPLASMACANNON.PREPARETOFIRE.CHARGEITUPANDBLASTTHATpevergreen

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Just in case I'll bookmark:

But autolycus blocked me that night.

[pevergreen]

Plasma cannon is a fire attack?

I was using neutron shield, I would have lived.

[Diamondeye]

Looking at the mafia QT's, I really wonder why you guys killed me. Pever looks like he killed me at random. I'm not mad at the Phazon team for killing me just after I died in Earthling's CFC game, since none of them were in that. I'm a bit annoyed at the Bowser mafia, though- you guys should have known about all my recent deaths. And I can't even figure out why you killed me- you seemed like you were trying to target scanners around that time, but I had no abilities and never indicated that I did have any. So... why exactly did you kill me?

I just think it was because you were a replacement. I can't really find it. I'm sorry you were in a hi-death period, but I really had no idea. We just picked out targets.

[Splitpersonality]

[Fail]

[dcmort93]

its already over my friend

[Askthepizzaguy]

[Fail]

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TOO LATE! FAIL!!!!

[Splitpersonality]

Well when people tell me games are open I tend to try and get into them! :l

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well when people tell me games are open I tend to try and get into them! :l

No, the one that *hasn't opened yet* is Mewtwo's revenge. But I am glad I contributed to this classic....

[Chaotix]

Better late than never is actually split's motto.