Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Athenai

[Walle]

I PROPOSE we leave a small garrison in Mytilene, and take the Alliance army back to the mainland, perhaps to assist the Spartans. I don't think we should attract the attention of the Seleucids by attacking Pergamon or any other city in Mikra Asia.

[The_Blacksmith]

I PROPOSE we leave a small garrison in Mytilene, and take the Alliance army back to the mainland, perhaps to assist the Spartans. I don't think we should attract the attention of the Seleucids by attacking Pergamon or any other city in Mikra Asia.

I AGREE with this motion

I PROPOSE to reinforce the navy and hunt off the pitares at Krete

[Enyalio]

"Dear friends,

Our plans have been fruitfull. Mytilene has now joined the alliance. Praise to Athena and our young commander Doros. I AGREE with the suggestions to withdraw the alliance army from Mytilene made by Kairos.

It also seems the Spartans did not feel that a build-up of strenght was necessary. We were amiss perhaps. We should have seen that their warlike nature would not allow them to sit back.
However our disagreements over the attacks of Pella an Mytilene might have caused some stir in our relationship. I would request (PROPOSE)a visit from the Spartan ambassador to explain their motives and intentions. We also must explain to them that our actions or decisions are not meant to thwart Spartan influence, but to allow for balance and moderation, lest no vengeful feelings are allowed to build up.

But assesing the state of our dominion, I think we have done well. I would ask the council at this moment to lay not only their immediate proposals before us, but also their ideas about our future endeavours. Should we hold ourselves to our promise to Sinope and go east? Should we try to establish contact with our brothers in the West? Should we focus on trade or upon war?

It is now that we must ask ourselves these questions, now that the war with Macedon, which has dominated our speech and our lives, is drawing to an end. For myself I believe a promise is a promise. We must start thinking about aiding Sinope. On the other hand my cousin arrived yesterday from the city of Kyrene. This polis is hemmed between Carthage and our Ptolemaic friends and they are looking for a protector to stay out of any struggles. Maybe we should send some envoys to see what can be done. I PROPOSE we send a diplomat and a spy to Kyrene.

Either way we should use this period of semi-peace to re-equip our army. New threaths will appear, and they might prove to hard for our levied forces. Let us not forget Epirus. they want macedonian land, and they care not if it is cuurently controled by us or by Macedon.
I PROPOSE once again, as did Leumenes before me, to recall the Athenian army. To gradually disband our levies (only 1 unit of militia hoplites to be maintained) and to replace them with professional hoplites. I also PROPOSE to build up military infrasctructure in Athens and trade infrastructure in the other poleis under our influence.
The same goes for our fleet, the pride of Athens. I therefore AGREE with my collegue who spoke before me (Hephaestus).

Let us not make quick decisions now and speak of all these matters."

Enyalio sat down and let his slave fetch some refreshments.

[Enyalio]

"Ah, the spartan ambassador has arrived in my short absence. I thank him for his intervention. I partially AGREE with the notion of cooperation concerning the navy. Perhaps an alliance fleet shouls be made available? The Athenian fleet however is our lifesblood. We cannot allow its use by others without consent of this council. What say you fellow-councilors?"

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

"Young Enyalio again proves his worth to this council. Wise words. Now is the time to think of what our aims are. I AGREE with the proposal to recall our army and to replace the levies with a more professional force. I AGREE also with the proposal to build up our military and trading infrastructures. I AGREE with Kairos' proposal that we leave a small garrison in Mytilene, and reinforce the garrison from within Mytilene itself. But, I would not agree to sending aid to the Spartans at Pella. I would prefer to implore the Spartans to withdraw from their siege of Pella.

On that matter, welcome once more Diomede, I know that you see the sense of our alliance, and question some of the more....impulsive actions of the , more and more vocal, Spartan nationalists. I would emphasise Paltmull's question. Is the Koinon about shared defence of our shared interests, or in making war on independent states. I believe it should be the former.

Pella may prove to be costly. Too costly. We have the Macedons hemmed in there. Let them take the pressure from their enemies the Epirotes, let us use the time that buys us to strengthen our military and economic bases. THEN, we will be ready to face down the inevitable Epirote desire for domination."

[diomede]

Before replying to the below quote, I must apologize for my lack of time. Despite being British I live on an American time zone. Mountain is probably the fairest explanation. Anyway, I shall provide more input if time allows, but first I must read the TWC forum.

On that matter, welcome once more Diomede, I know that you see the sense of our alliance, and question some of the more....impulsive actions of the , more and more vocal, Spartan nationalists. I would emphasise Paltmull's question. Is the Koinon about shared defence of our shared interests, or in making war on independent states. I believe it should be the former.

I believe it to be neither. I see our alliance as acting in the interests of the... alliance. Whether that be in an aggressive or defensive manner isn't so much of an issue to me, as long as it benefits our military position. I do of course leave the finer details to those that actually do the fighting, I just advise on whether or not the gods smile upon our poleis, or sometimes our entire alliance.

I am slightly confused about the whole issue surrounding Pella. We beseiged this city out of spite? Since when? Not only that, but our choice of government will explain our actions? Nay, sir! Our choice of government shall be one which is most appropriate. One that [ooc] allows for the best possible military recruitment of native troops[/ooc], at least I hope so, and will campaign for. I wish for Pella to become the KOINON HELLENON's most nothern military fortress. A strong defence of the rest of Greece, or a base of operations against Epeirote holdings, whatever. I will grant you, my Athenian colleagues, that a military emphasis may make it appear that it is of the Spartan influence, but such is the nature of our culture. I beg your understanding of such a matter. If I were weak at birth I'd have been left in the mountains! War is simply in our blood, as is preparation for it and prevention of it against our (and by extension) and your homes.

[Populus Romanus]

Well said, Ephor Diomede!

[diomede]

My nation's rival party compliments me... I'm not sure whether to be pleased or concerned. :P

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