Gay Parenting

[Beirut]

I understand what you're saying. Nobody likes to be browbeaten into thought-conformity. The only reason poor Beirut is having such a difficult go of things is because this is a discussion forum where we do get to force our opinions on each other. In this environment, you actually have to back up what you say or risk having your opinion disregarded.

I'm not poor. I'm not rich, but certainly not poor.

Particularly frustrating is the fact that he seems completely unwilling (unable) to present supporting research on the subject, yet acts as if everyone else is ridiculous. 'I am right because I am' followed by some snarky comment about how demented it is that the conversation is even happening is not a defensible position.

I back up what I say with real life and parental experience. Real life - not feel-good Internet mumbo-jumbo and quasi-BS studies that could prove potato chips are the best material for a fusion reactor.

However, I don't think the issue itself is a love it or hate it type of thing. That is making it subjective where it should be objective. I support it because a) science has validated that it is not a negative influence on the development of the child and b) it plays a critical social function in placing abandoned children in supportive homes. If the issue truly centers around the well being of the children, then there is little room for debate.

Damn straight, and the well being of a child is best served by the child having a mother and father, no matter what Dr. Pixiedust's report says.

[Strike For The South]

Damn straight, and the well being of a child is best served by the child having a mother and father, no matter what Dr. Pixiedust's report says.

But you can't just throw out a study because you dont agree with it

I would love if choclate cake and big macs where the most conduicve foods for building muscle

But there not

So I listen to the science

[Fragony]

But you can't just throw out a study because you dont agree with it

I would love if choclate cake and big macs where the most conduicve foods for building muscle

But there not

So I listen to the science

What science, any statiian will tell you that probabity is a factor, but gay parenting is new, so screw that

[Strike For The South]

What science, any statiian will tell you that probabity is a factor, but gay parenting is new, so screw that

You're right new things can't be scienced

Aplogies to the oranje tulip

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I back up what I say with real life and parental experience. Real life - not feel-good Internet mumbo-jumbo and quasi-BS studies that could prove potato chips are the best material for a fusion reactor.

My mother is a teacher and has a had a number of gay-parented children in her class. So as you say, real life. Economic status and educational level of the parents is the biggest factor. And the studies examine real life people too you know

I think the real issue here for the anti-adoption is what rhyf was saying in another thread. They don't believe that two lesbians will raise a boy who is macho and believes his wife should be submissive. That, of course, is indeed common sense. Beirut, is it common sense too that children are better of with a stay at home mother? (and not a stay at home father?)

[Strike For The South]

Im the machoest man on this board and I don't want a wife who is submissive

Men who want submissive wives instead of equal partners are insecure pricks.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Men who want submissive wives instead of equal partners are insecure pricks.

Pah! Where'd you read that nonsense?

It's not true at all. I want a submissive wife and I'm not insecure at all. Just underendowed.

[Beirut]

Pah! Where'd you read that nonsense?

It's not true at all. I want a submissive wife and I'm not insecure at all. Just underendowed.

Well that shoe took a long time to drop.

[PanzerJaeger]

I'm not poor. I'm not rich, but certainly not poor.



I back up what I say with real life and parental experience. Real life - not feel-good Internet mumbo-jumbo and quasi-BS studies that could prove potato chips are the best material for a fusion reactor.



Damn straight, and the well being of a child is best served by the child having a mother and father, no matter what Dr. Pixiedust's report says.

One cannot reason with the willfully ignorant.

[Beskar]

One cannot reason with the willfully ignorant.

I thought the other thread proved that.

I miss the days where we argued Panzer. At least we had an interesting debate and proposed challenges to each other backed by empirical evident.

[PanzerJaeger]

I thought the other thread proved that.

I miss the days where we argued Panzer. At least we had an interesting debate and proposed challenges to each other backed by empirical evident.

Start a thread about gun control. There are plenty of stats to back up both sides of that argument, I a guarantee we won't agree.

[Fragony]

One cannot reason with the willfully ignorant.

Well yeah, just accept the way of things. I don't need no science reports I know I'm right without them

[Samurai Waki]

Well yeah, just accept the way of things. I don't need no science reports I know I'm right without them

This is called "Truthiness": is a "truth" that a person claims to know intuitively "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

[Fragony]

This is called "Truthiness": is a "truth" that a person claims to know intuitively "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

Well yeah, that's just how I am, don't care about the social sciences. It's almost exclusively done by a certain type of person, and almost exclusively done on demand.

[Beirut]

This is called "Truthiness": is a "truth" that a person claims to know intuitively "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

People who want to throw their ideology at other people can always find "scientists" who will say "Oh, it's true because my study says... ". But in real life there are gut feelings and intuitions and things that simply make sense. And people who disregard gut feelings, intuition, and common sense because the "scientific study of the week" says that wet is dry, tall is short, and fat is thin, are disregarding something very important: real life.

Sometimes real life is worth taking into consideration.

[Fragony]

People who want to throw their ideology at other people can always find "scientists" who will say "Oh, it's true because my study says... ". But in real life there are gut feelings and intuitions and things that simply make sense. And people who disregard gut feelings, intuition, and common sense because the "scientific study of the week" says that wet is dry, tall is short, and fat is thin, are disregarding something very important: real life.

Sometimes real life is worth taking into consideration.

You are all pretending.

[PanzerJaeger]

People who want to throw their ideology at other people can always find "scientists" who will say "Oh, it's true because my study says... ". But in real life there are gut feelings and intuitions and things that simply make sense. And people who disregard gut feelings, intuition, and common sense because the "scientific study of the week" says that wet is dry, tall is short, and fat is thin, are disregarding something very important: real life.

Sometimes real life is worth taking into consideration.

What do you think the studies are based on? They aren't studying lab rats, they're studying real families and real outcomes.

Since you're all about anecdote, personal experience, and common sense, do you know any same-sex families? You 'back up' what you say with parental experience, but unless you're raising a child with another man I'm not sure how your experience has much of anything to do with this subject.

I'm starting to think this is just one big troll. No one intelligent enough to operate a computer could be this intentionally asinine. The implications of using 'common sense' as a standard of proof are endless.

Blacks are obviously inferior to whites. Women are obviously inferior to men. Jews are obviously behind some evil conspiracy to enslave us all. Any backwoods, hick truism can be supported.

I'm starting to understand the dangers of anti-intellectualism. Reason, debate, studies, and research have no influence on gut feelings, down-home aphorisms, and good old common sense.

[Beirut]

Since you're all about anecdote, personal experience, and common sense, do you know any same-sex families? You 'back up' what you say with parental experience, but unless you're raising a child with another man I'm not sure how your experience has much of anything to do with this subject.

And yet you speak at length about the greatness of that tank in your avatar. Ever drive one? Ever drive any tank?

Ahhhhh... I see.

On the other hand, I have children.

I'm starting to think this is just one big troll. No one intelligent enough to operate a computer could be this intentionally asinine. The implications of using 'common sense' as a standard of proof are endless.

Actually, I see common sense falling by the wayside at an alarming rate based on the "science study flavour of the weak".

(Pardon the pun.)

Blacks are obviously inferior to whites. Women are obviously inferior to men. Jews are obviously behind some evil conspiracy to enslave us all. Any backwoods, hick truism can be supported.

Not really. Use some common sense, it will all come clear to you.

I'm starting to understand the dangers of anti-intellectualism. Reason, debate, studies, and research have no influence on gut feelings, down-home aphorisms, and good old common sense.

Yeah, yeah. Cry me a river about the dangers of anti-intellectualism.

What I have noticed about people who lean too far to the "intellectual" side is they often end up as really loud blowhards who drone on endlessly in coffee shops until you want to beat them to death with their own hardcover copy of The Republic.

Sometimes the best intellectualism comes from a farmer with a 500 word vocabulary who has never heard of Wittgenstein or Machiavelli but knows all about real life, raising a family, and putting in a hard day's work.

Don't be ashamed. We forgive you.

[miotas]

People who want to throw their ideology at other people can always find "scientists" who will say "Oh, it's true because my study says... ".

I suggest you read the thread more closely. The position of a lot of the posters here seems to be that sexual orientation or gender is unimportant when considering how "good" a parent someone is. You are the one throwing the ideology that homosexual parents aren't as good.

But in real life there are gut feelings and intuitions and things that simply make sense. And people who disregard gut feelings, intuition, and common sense because the "scientific study of the week" says that wet is dry, tall is short, and fat is thin, are disregarding something very important: real life.

Sometimes real life is worth taking into consideration.

I haven't read those studies, but my "intuition" is that a child needs guardians that love them far more than they need a family that fits the ideal nuclear family of the 2nd half of the 20th century.

[Beirut]

I suggest you read the thread more closely. The position of a lot of the posters here seems to be that sexual orientation or gender is unimportant when considering how "good" a parent someone is. You are the one throwing the ideology that homosexual parents aren't as good.

And I suggest you read my posts more closely as you are not speaking to the issue I am speaking to. Though perhaps you think you are.