BuffyVerse Mafia: Apocalypse Now [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh, that sounds promising.

vote:yaropolk

[Seon]

Ooh, a recruiter?

Can you explain to me what exactly he tried to recruit you for, dcmort?

[dcmort93]

All I know is that he is Doyle

[thefluffyone93]

Hmmmm?
Recruiting?
Now?
HMMMMM....
Vote:Zack
I know I didn't do anything to get into the write-up, but SOMEONE did.
Hmmmmmmm.....

[Yaropolk]

Well cat is out of the bag - I'm indeed Doyle, one of the main pro town characters in the original writeup at the beginning of the show. I am a recruiter for the Los Angeles town faction. My power is to recruit, but I can't tell who is recruitable and who is not. If I hit an unrecruitable, my identity is revealed. I gambled on the fact that if I hit an unrecruitable if it's another town faction they would look up my character and contact me privately instead of revealing me to the whole world.

Now Mr DcMort - which faction are you that makes you so unrecruitable to a townie? And why did you feel the need to sell me out rather than contact me privately?

vote: dcmort

Will the following people please contact me:
Buffy
Cordelia
Any neutrals who wish to become part of the LA townie team.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote

That sounds legit and being exposed on recruit seems unlikely for a scum ability now that I think of it, don't believe dcmort's claiming of it makes him scum though, he could just keep quiet and kill you.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmmmm?
Recruiting?
Now?
HMMMMM....

What did you mean by this fluffy?

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote DCmort

Since both Yaropolk and Dc agree that he is Doyle and Doyle is a good guy anyone who is not recruitable to the side of good is ether bad or neutral and until we know such things. I think Yaro is a bad choice under the new light.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We don't know how recruiting works yet.

I don't think unrecruitable scum who got caught would come into the thread acting like they caught someone themselves...

[Romanic]

unvote

That sounds legit and being exposed on recruit seems unlikely for a scum ability now that I think of it, don't believe dcmort's claiming of it makes him scum though, he could just keep quiet and kill you.

Being exposed after a failed recruiting is not necessarily Town. You weren't playing in Zelda on TWC but many of us were, and this game is one of the two inspirations for this one by Autolycus (with Lylat Wars). In Zelda, any failed attempt (Mafia, Cult or Town) would result in the recruiter being exposed to his target. However the anti-Town teams had scanning abilities to look for possible recruits.

It's a risk/reward thing: Do you recruit in the dark, or do you scan before attempting it? Makes more sense to scan first unless you're desperate.

However Yaro is very likely legit here because of the role he claimed, confirmed by dcmort: He's Doyle, from Angel Investigations, who would likely be part of the LA team. Could this be a cover role? If the rules are the same than Zelda: No. Real roles were always revealed upon a failed recruitment.

[Captain Blackadder]

True but I do want some explanation as to why dcmort decided to tell us all rather then contacting Yaro in private since a quick read of the wiki says that he is a founding member of Angel Investigation.

[Romanic]

Important Game Information, which I will also be adding to front page

As usual, this information may or may not be relevant to tonight, but I realized should be publically available.
Phase end will always be 10 pm Eastern unless I specify differently, regardless of my being around.
For gameplay reasons, vampires will not be mentioned as turning to dust, i.e. people may turn to dust upon death, but I won't be telling you that.
Scans occur after conversions.
Role-blocks do not appear in the phase posts.
Successful Conversions do not appear in the phase posts.
You are always welcome to PM me questions or post them here. I may choose to not give you an answer, I may even choose not to respond at all. You have been warned.

^This,

by Autolycus, makes it even more likely that recruiting for similar to Zelda. Conversions occuring before scanning, meaning that a scanner is sure to get a right scan result (unlike Zelda, I think, where scan results were happening before conversion, leading to some recruiters being exposed. I'm not 100% sure of this, but Renata, ATPG or another mafia members should confirm).

[Romanic]

And I agree that dcmort should have looked up who Doyle is before reporting a failed recruiting attempt on him. If he's innocent, he's giving away an important role.

[Chaotix]

Vote: Seon

[a completely inoffensive name]

Cool. I guess the trend is to murder me first night instead of having everyone bandwagon me all the time.

[Askthepizzaguy]

True but I do want some explanation as to why dcmort decided to tell us all rather then contacting Yaro in private since a quick read of the wiki says that he is a founding member of Angel Investigation.

That falls under pizza's definition of townie behavior, unfortunately.

Mafia typically play a bit more carefully than that.

[pevergreen]

Vote: Romanic

[Csargo]

Vote:ATPG

Are you still alive? idk

[Askthepizzaguy]

Players:
Alive:
Atpg

In case you were confused.

OMGUS, vote: Csargo

[Khazaar]

I guess DCMort has to spill the Beans on who he is. Only then can we decide what to do, there is the decent chance that he is simply from ?Summerdale? and a Buffy character, probabably not recruitable for the L.A. team.

Vote: DCMort

[classical_hero]

Vote:dcmort He does have some explaining to do as to why he revealed an innocent person.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Mkay that's plenty of votes on the obviously innocent dcmort.


He's played this sort of game before, many, many times. If he were mafia, he wouldn't have made that mistake. This is a classic townie blunder.

[Ironside]

Vote: Abstain

I'll probably vote properly later.

While we need dcmort's role to be certain (as why the recruitment failed), it's a bit odd with a townie recruiter unless there's quite a bit of neutrals in this game. Doyle is admittably a strong pro-town role on the surface though.

That could be connected with no faction reveals at death, but no faction reveals might as well hide a lack of cover roles. And if this game lacks cover roles, I doubt we'll see roles like Drucilla (always evil vampire) in that case.

Going slighty meta, is Yaro known to use heavy bluffs as mafia?

[Csargo]

In case you were confused.

OMGUS, vote: Csargo

It's cool man, be cool. My dad totally owns a dealership bro.

[classical_hero]

Mkay that's plenty of votes on the obviously innocent dcmort.


He's played this sort of game before, many, many times. If he were mafia, he wouldn't have made that mistake. This is a classic townie blunder.

Since it is such an obvious "town" strategy, could a mafia now use said strategy to make him look innocent?

[Sprig]

vote: sasaki

[Askthepizzaguy]

Since it is such an obvious "town" strategy, could a mafia now use said strategy to make him look innocent?

I encourage it. That way, when 4-5 townies reflexively bandwagon the silly nut, and he dies, we can all laugh at him.


BTW: It isn't a town "strategy" it's more of a town "reflex/voting without thinking" which townies are prone to do.

[TinCow]

Mkay that's plenty of votes on the obviously innocent dcmort.

He's played this sort of game before, many, many times. If he were mafia, he wouldn't have made that mistake. This is a classic townie blunder.

Meh, I won't weep and gnash my teeth if he gets lynched. He may not be scum, but you're exaggerating just a little when you say he's "obviously innocent." At best, his actions are WIFOM. That said, I agree that he's got enough votes on him; no need to push that wagon any further.

Vote: ATPG

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: ATPG

This is also on Pizzaguy's list of classic townie blunders.

[Secura]

acin-killed night 1-Lindsey
Warman88-killed night 1-Riley

For those that don't know, Lindsey McDonald was a mixed bag in the show, sometimes working alongside Angel Investigations and at other times opposing them; Angel eventually had him killed because he was too much trouble. Possibly a neutral role recruitable by AI or their mafia counterparts, which are probably the Circle of the Black Thorn.

Riley Finn was Buffy's boyfriend in Season Four; a soldier who worked with the government-backed Initiative to investigate the supernatural activity in Sunnydale. More than likely a town role, probably had a Buffy-related personal goal.

Cool. I guess the trend is to murder me first night instead of having everyone bandwagon me all the time.

I think now might be a good time for Sasaki to explain why he anointed you yesterday; he stated "wait and see" and now you're dead... what gives?

While we need dcmort's role to be certain (as why the recruitment failed), it's a bit odd with a townie recruiter unless there's quite a bit of neutrals in this game. Doyle is admittably a strong pro-town role on the surface though.

The opening post states that this is a high conversion game, though.

Think of Lylat Wars; not only could Andross convert mooks to his cause, but Star Wolf and Star Fox were also capable of drafting power roles into their ranks, such as Pigma or Katt.