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    Damn, and just as things were seemingly improving. What a horrible event.

    Bus stop bomb kills one in Jerusalem
    Woman dead and 30 hurt in Jerusalem bombing as Netanyahu says Israel will react "aggressively, responsibly".

    A bomb has struck a crowded bus stop in West Jerusalem, killing at least one person and wounding 30 in what authorities said was the first major attack in the city in several years.
    Scores of ambulances converged on the area near the central bus station as rescuers removed bloodied people from the area on stretchers on Wednesday.
    Al Jazeera's Nisreen El-Shamayleh, reporting from Jerusalem, said that one person, a 60-year-old woman, died following the explosion.
    "There was no immediate claim of responsibility. [...] The normal reaction is for people to blame Palestinian groups when there is an explosion in Jerusalem, but the police are carrying out an investigation and aren't ruling out any possibility," our correspondent said.
    Micky Rosenfeld, the foreign press spokesman for the Israel Police, told Al Jazeera that a device in a bag that was left in a phone booth near the bus station exploded when the bus passed.
    "This was not a suicide attack," Rosenfeld said.
    Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, said that Israel would act aggressively and responsibly after the attack in Jerusalem.
    "Israel will act aggressively, responsibly and wisely to preserve the quiet and security that prevailed here over the past two years," Netanyahu said before boarding a plane to Moscow where he will meet Russian leaders.
    Yitzhak Aharonovich, Israel''s public security minister, told Channel 2 TV that the bomb was about one to two kilograms and was planted in a small bag on the sidewalk. He said security services were on alert for additional attacks.
    Crowded area
    The attack occurred near the main entrance to Jerusalem, next to the city''s central bus station, an area that is crowded with travelers and passers-by at all hours of the day.
    The blast reverberated throughout Jerusalem and blew out the windows of two crowded buses.
    Aharon Franco, Jerusalem''s police chief, said there were no firm leads but authorities were investigating a possible link to a small bombing earlier this month that wounded a garbage collector as he removed the device from a trash can.
    Meir Hagid, one of the bus drivers, said he heard a loud explosion as he drove by the site.
    "I heard the explosion in the bus stop," he said. He halted his vehicle and people got off.
    Samuel Conik, 20, said he ran to the scene when he heard the explosion and saw fire coming out of a phone booth. Nearby was a badly burned man with bloody legs and his skin peeling off, he said.
    Police, accompanied by sniffer dogs, broke into cars near the site to search for evidence and possible additional explosives.
    Bombings have been rare in Jerusalem in the past several years. Palestinians carried out dozens of bombings in the city at the height of an uprising that began in 2000.
    Marwan Bishara, Al Jazeera''s senior political analyst, said "tensions in Israel have been high in the past 48 hours".
    Gaza deaths
    At least eight Palestinians, including children, were killed in Israeli mortar attacks and airstrikes in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday.

    The Israeli military said it was responding to rocket attacks from Gaza. It also confirmed it had fired mortar rounds towards the eastern outskirts of Gaza City on Tuesday, shortly after four rockets hit Israel.
    In response to the attack in Jerusalem, Hamas in the Gaza Strip said it was seeking to reverse the recent spike in violence with Israel.
    "We stress that our constant position in the government is to protect stability and to work in order to restore the conditions on ground that used to be dominant in previous weeks," Taher Al-Nono, a Hamas spokesman, said.
    Islamic Jihad, another armed group which has carried out dozens of attacks, said it was not responsible for the blast in Jerusalem.
    But Khader Habib, a spokesman, said the group "applauds all efforts to respond to the crimes committed daily against our people".
    Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority, condemned the attack in Jerusalem.
    In a statement on the website of WAFA, the official Palestinian news agency, Abbas also reiterated his condemnation to the Israeli operation in Gaza on Tuesday.
    Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, called the incident a "horrific terrorist attack".
    "I extend sympathy to the families of those who have been injured. But I don''t think I would characterise the situation there as deteriorating," Gates said during a visit to Cairo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mad Arab View Post
    Damn, and just as things were seemingly improving.
    Which, sad to say, is probably why it happened.
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    Al Jazeera? Oh dear...

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    Al Jazeera? Oh dear...
    Could you elaborate?

    Or to you mean to imply that the source somehow makes the story less credible?
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    Improving? Really? The air, land and water blockage has been dismantled? Steel fences are down? Jews ad Muslims treted equally? No?

    Oh, and didn't you read that a day of so ago two children were killed by Israeli shelling. Does that happen so often it is no longer newsworthy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    Improving? Really? The air, land and water blockage has been dismantled? Steel fences are down? Jews ad Muslims treted equally? No?

    Oh, and didn't you read that a day of so ago two children were killed by Israeli shelling. Does that happen so often it is no longer newsworthy?

    What he said.

    Nothing has improved. Netanyahoo is stealing more land with the illegal settlements and Gaza remains an open air concentration camp.

    Part of the problem is that if the Palestinians don't attack Israel, and things are quiet for a while, people think things are getting better. Sure they're better - for Isreal. But no matter how peaceful the Palestinians are, Israel never changes; the settlements continue to go up and Gaza remains a prison.
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    I dont know what is more depressing; that things like this happen or that I'm getting used to hear these sort of things happen.
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    Aaaand Israel's leadership still don't get it: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...tion-bomb.html

    More Air strikes, so more bombs after that. Oh, and the woman who died was a British national.
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    Al Jazeera? Oh dear...
    Al Jazeera is not the Arabic Fox News. It has crew of some very good reporters that originally worked for CNN and the BBC. If you don't know what the hell you're talking about, don't contribute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beirut View Post
    Gaza remains an open air concentration camp.
    A concentration camp with fancy shopping malls and so much food that the area has one of the highest obesity rates in the world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    A concentration camp with fancy shopping malls and so much food that the area has one of the highest obesity rates in the world?
    Would you like to add GNP, literacy rates, death rates? Possibly indicators of a balanced life?

    Unless you are saying your life is complete with cheap clothing and high calorie foods. If so, I pity you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    A concentration camp with fancy shopping malls and so much food that the area has one of the highest obesity rates in the world?
    Have you ever been to Gaza, brother? I have.

    And I see that the, what, 6-year old obesity figure still endures as a sign that the people in Gaza are well fed and lazy? Consider what they’re eating, unhealthy junk food, consider their unemployment levels. Better yet, go there, see the place.


    Edit: Sorry, I got a bit carried away. The place is just awful, hopeless.
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    Improving? Really? The air, land and water blockage has been dismantled? Steel fences are down? Jews ad Muslims treted equally? No?
    Believe me, I'm not really a fan of Israeli domestic and foreign policy. But the fact that there hadn't been suicide bombings for time maybe was a step in the right direction. Ah, well.
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    I blame the muslims for being muslim and spreading the muslim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    A concentration camp with fancy shopping malls and so much food that the area has one of the highest obesity rates in the world?
    No, I meant the bombed out, rubble strewn disaster zone of Gaza here on Earth. The one where the Israelis will kill you for bringing in food and medicine to help the people. That Gaza.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    Unless you are saying your life is complete with cheap clothing and high calorie foods. If so, I pity you.
    Well what else am I going to spend my benefits on, besides some buckie? They've got it made.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dâriûsh View Post
    Have you ever been to Gaza, brother? I have.

    And I see that the, what, 6-year old obesity figure still endures as a sign that the people in Gaza are well fed and lazy? Consider what they’re eating, unhealthy junk food, consider their unemployment levels. Better yet, go there, see the place.
    So the problem is the people live off junk food and are unemployed? Well then I guess I also live in a concentration camp.

    And before you say, "well, they have no choice", maybe you could look at obesity rates in the rest of the Arab world and note how similar they are to those of Gaza.

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    No, I meant the bombed out, rubble strewn disaster zone of Gaza here on Earth. The one where the Israelis will kill you for bringing in food and medicine to help the people. That Gaza.
    Really, there are problems? I am shocked.

    Look, the point is calling it a concentration camp is completely ridiculous and in fact really offensive since you know well enough what you are alluding to using that term. I think people at Auschwitz had bigger problems that unemployment and stuffing themselves with too many Big Macs.

    And there was an implied Godwin before I brought it to light...
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    Ah, that old chestnut:

    Auchwitz, was an EXTERMINATION camp, NOT a CONCENTRATION camp.

    He was not even calling it a LABOUR camp. All three are different. The British and the Americans, amongst others, have run CONCENTRATION camps, but I am not aware of any other regimes bar the Nazis running EXTERMINATION camps.

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    One dead and thirthy wounded - Israel manages that every few hours in traffic. That is the real terrorism in Israel, the highest traffic accident rate in the developed world. A society where violence has become the norm, ingrained in public behaviour, to the extent that Israelis kill more of their own children than any other place on earth. There is a connection between the wantonness with which Israel takes the life of an Arab child, and their diregard for the lives of their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    So the problem is the people live off junk food and are unemployed? Well then I guess I also live in a concentration camp.

    And before you say, "well, they have no choice", maybe you could look at obesity rates in the rest of the Arab world and note how similar they are to those of Gaza.
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    I've become numb to this issue, it's not that I don't care about what happens over there, I just don't like feeling guilty over the luxury of not living in fear of an Airstrike or Suicide Bomber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    Auchwitz, was an EXTERMINATION camp, NOT a CONCENTRATION camp.
    I have only ever seen it called a concentration camp, even in academic literature. Maybe your own definiton is not the norm?

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    No, I am not gonna bite. Better luck with someone else.
    What is there to bite, I'm not trolling. The comparison of Gaza to a concentration camp is if anything much more troll-worthy, since it is so ridiculous on so many levels.

    Obviously, there are real problems, especially with supplies being denied to the people there. But that is more an issue of controls being placed over what are effectively national borders, the people inside are not living like they are in a concentration camp, they are getting on with their lives and have more than enough of the basics like food in particular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    I have only ever seen it called a concentration camp, even in academic literature. Maybe your own definiton is not the norm?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwi...entration_camp
    First paragraph. Even the Germans made the distinction. Auschwitz proper and Auschwitz-Monowitz were work/concentration camps (Konzentrationslager), Auschwitz-Birkenau was the extermination (Vernichtungslager) camp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drone View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwi...entration_camp
    First paragraph. Even the Germans made the distinction. Auschwitz proper and Auschwitz-Monowitz were work/concentration camps (Konzentrationslager), Auschwitz-Birkenau was the extermination (Vernichtungslager) camp.
    Rory said Auschwitz was an extermination camp, as the title of the article says it is known primarily as a concentration camp, with extermination camps within it.
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    Yes, Gaza is well fed. As we all know, being well fed and having good access to food means that your children are malnourished. Errrr.....

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    Rory said Auschwitz was an extermination camp, as the title of the article says it is known primarily as a concentration camp, with extermination camps within it.
    So you're just being pedantic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drone View Post
    So you're just being pedantic?
    No, Rory was.

    I just used the commonly accepted term, but then he was all like... that not right. But then I was like... well actually it is.

    Anyway, I'm not denying there are massive problems in Gaza, or somehow saying that people there have it easy, or that Israel isn't being a douchebag. But to call it a concentration camp is taking things too far even for the sake of hyperbole.
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    But to call it a concentration camp is taking things too far even for the sake of hyperbole.
    I don't know, if it's Israel's intention to keep Palestinians locked up in a small region, maybe we could define it as a concentration camp. Don't forget that in the end, Arafat was basically on Israel's payroll. His numerous intelligence agencies learned some very interesting tricks from the Mossad. I don't know to what extent this might be the intention of Israel, but for most people in Gaza it's either helping Hamas or suffering.

    I have only ever seen it called a concentration camp, even in academic literature.
    When we say "Auschwitz", we might distinguish the three main camps. Usually we just mean Auschwitz Birkenau, the extermination camp.
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    I thought that this was an important hair to split - the Palestinians are clearly being concentrated but not exterminated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    Look, the point is calling it a concentration camp is completely ridiculous and in fact really offensive since you know well enough what you are alluding to using that term. I think people at Auschwitz had bigger problems that unemployment and stuffing themselves with too many Big Macs.
    Ma man, if you are seriously impying that too many people sitting around all day with nothing to do but eat hamburgers is really Gaza's biggest problem, then I submit that you are playing the exact same games, and to a higher degree, that you accuse others of playing.

    Besides, I am allowed my semantic fun and games just as much as the next guy. And since many people, especially the Israelis themselves, refer to everything the Palestinians have ever done and will ever do as being "terrorism", then I see no problem whatsoever with giving it right back to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    I thought that this was an important hair to split - the Palestinians are clearly being concentrated but not exterminated.
    Nothing about their situation, crappy as it is, resembles a concentration camp. You can't compare living in a walled of country to living in a camp. You would expect that rhetoric from someone with a bias in the situation, not from people that are supposed to have balanced opinions.

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    Ma man, if you are seriously impying that too many people sitting around all day with nothing to do but eat hamburgers is really Gaza's biggest problem, then I submit that you are playing the exact same games, and to a higher degree, that you accuse others of playing.
    Never denied the problems that do exist. The thing is here that you are making out that Palestians are starving and would look like your typical POW in a concentration camp - when in fact half of the female population is obese. So that fact does make such a claim look pretty ridiculous.

    And, yes, issues like food and unemployment are the real day to day issues that affect ordinary Palestinians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beirut View Post
    Besides, I am allowed my semantic fun and games just as much as the next guy. And since many people, especially the Israelis themselves, refer to everything the Palestinians have ever done and will ever do as being "terrorism", then I see no problem whatsoever with giving it right back to them.
    So you're going to give tit-for-tat based on what the Israeli government says? If I was to do that with what Hamas say, I would be facing a perma-ban.
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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