How to use cavalry?

[vartan]

Considering that Armour Piercing doesn't mean armour piercing but rather 'consider half of the enemy's armour', I don't know if it much matters!

[Cute Wolf]

Considering that Armour Piercing doesn't mean armour piercing but rather 'consider half of the enemy's armour', I don't know if it much matters!

it matters much if the armour rate is not 1 or 2, but 11 or 12

[A_Dane]

it matters much if the armour rate is not 1 or 2, but 11 or 12

aye.. having a unit with 20 armor go down to 10 against a specific unit can be quite significant..

[vartan]

it matters much if the armour rate is not 1 or 2, but 11 or 12

That's precisely the issue. It is always half. Why are the effects not even more staggering as the numbers get higher? Or perhaps there should be an even more complex model. Must the quantification of the effects of so-called armour piercing weaponry always result in the consideration of precisely half of the armour in question?

[Lazy O]

Why must you over complicate everything?

[Randal]

I actually think it would be a big improvement if we could specify just -how- "armour piercing" a specific weapon is. If you could give, say, a club a small bonus and a flanged mace a bigger one.

As is, the "armour piercing" trait is too all-or-nothing for my tastes. I think it makes the specific weapon choice too significant compared to troop quality and training. (AKA as "Why didn't the Roman Legions arm themselves with clubs? Then they'd have conquered Parthia by defeating their cataphracts." Someone learning history from playing EB might legitimately ask that question.)

Still, it's wishful thinking, I know. The point is moot, the trait is what it is, and we'll have to deal with it.

[Lazy O]

Bottomline is, without it, Kataphractoi are useless

[Cute Wolf]

Wooden club is indeed lethal when used by strong big men that trained with it, like some screaming germans, and thus, logic to have AP, however, when used by average men, they aren't much better than simple stick, and thus shouldn't have AP.

in fact, bludgeon weapons are used worldwide in wars, but it seems axe is much supperior bludgeon weapon than club, so I'll rather ask why Romans don't arm themselves with axe? (I know sharp edged battle axe is cutting weapon as well, I talk about the commoner's axe that rarely sharpened and not well-treated for weapons, they are in fact bludgeon wepon)

[athanaric]

Considering that Armour Piercing doesn't mean armour piercing but rather 'consider half of the enemy's armour', I don't know if it much matters!

IMO the Armour piercing trait should be broken down to a scale, let's say measured in steps of 25%. For example, a sling bullet/bodkin arrow/falcata could be AP1 (ignores 25% or such), a mace could be AP2 (50%), and so on. Of course, this is purely academic. But still more accurate than the somewhat simplistic parameters of TW games.

axes perfurate armour but it´s a complete drag when it gets stuck in armour or even some skinny dudes ribs

have you ever tryed removing an axe while there´s alot of blood pouring out of the dudes wound into your face and it´s stuck beteween 2 vertebraes ?

That sounds as if you had already tried it. Now I'm a little bit worried. Is there a confession you'd like to make? Like, have their bodies already been found?

[vartan]

That sounds as if you had already tried it. Now I'm a little bit worried. Is there a confession you'd like to make? Like, have their bodies already been found?

Looks like the five year hunt is over. Ironic as it is, we have found our suspect on a war forum. How beautiful!

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

Relax - he hasn't tried it - or he'd know that running someone through with a sword can often result in a stuck sword unable to be pulled out one-handed. You have to put your foot on the corpse for leverage and pull at the hilt with both hands and all your strength (twisting the blade around a bit helps if you can manage it, as it makes the wound wider and round-shaped instead of a narrow slit - although sometimes the rotating action is not possible if the corpse is wearing body armour). This is naturally a time-consuming process in the middle of a fight and effectively leaves you weaponless for several seconds. Sometimes you just have to leave your own sword stuck in the corpse, and quickly snatch up another one from a fallen comrade.

;)

[vartan]

And how do you know this, Titus?

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

And how do you know this, Titus?

From reading many books (both fact and fiction) with descriptions similiar to the above.

[antisocialmunky]

He found your cave.

[fomalhaut]

listen guys all i am saying is that Akontistai should not be able to stab Sacred Band Cavalry to death.

[jirisys]

listen guys all i am saying is that Akontistai should not be able to stab Sacred Band Cavalry to death.

Their horses, however, are prone to get knifed on their unarmoured areas.

~Jirisys ()