So it's official, southern France is rotten.

[Meneldil]

With my new job (journalism), I've been moving quite a lot throughout southern France in the last 6 months. Meeting a lot of people, and - what interests me here - a lot of young women.

They brought something to my attention that I, as a male, couldn't really notice. At the time being, if you're a female and walking around town, there's a 100% chance you'll be hit on by half a dozen douche/scumbags, called a "slut" a "whore" or even a "jew" if you ignore them or if you don't answer favorably to their "demand". If you go to a bar at night, there's a 100% chance some guy will grope your ass or your breasts, and then also call you a "whore" when you tell him to .

This hit me in the face yesterday. I went to have some drink with one of my new coworkers, and she kept telling me how bad it was. How she recently decided to stop going out at night alone, how she stoped wearing skirt or any dress that let some skin outside (she's not the only woman who told me that in this city). We talked about that (and other things) for a few hours, and then when I left her, guess what? Some scumbag - who's been sitting not far from us all that time- tried to get her cellphone number and called her a slut when she refused. And on the five minutes walk it takes her to go back home, she got harassed two other times. And it was 8PM.

Call me a racist-fascist-nazi-jerk, but needless to say, this is mostly done by... yeah you guessed it right, young arabian males (which explains why "whore" is sometimes replaced by "jew").

Despite not living far from it, I rarely went to Nîmes until not too long ago. I always thought all the people who kept saying how bad it is were making things up. But no, they weren't.

How did we let this happen? I have no idea. But this is disgusting. How come young women have to deal with that daily? Who decided they're pieces of meat to be played with and disposed off when you're done?
I'm not a die hard feminist, , this is simply not acceptable.

I've spent eight months in a in Canada, and was told a billion times how men there were annoying. But my girlfriend could dress however she wanted and go wherever she wanted without being harassed by some drunken (or not) sexually frustrated . Every time she came to France I had to tell her "I'm not sure wearing this would be a good idea actually".

What is going on here?

[Rhyfelwyr]

Well this is what happens when you have the unnatural mixing of cultures. People should stay in their own nations with their own people.

Like with the burqas, I say don't ban them, but then we shouldn't have the sort of people that wear them here in the first place.

Expect the far-right to continue its rampage. I'm surprised we didn't have a thread here about the recent success of the True Finns.

[Noncommunist]

Well this is what happens when you have the unnatural mixing of cultures. People should stay in their own nations with their own people.

Like with the burqas, I say don't ban them, but then we shouldn't have the sort of people that wear them here in the first place.

Expect the far-right to continue its rampage. I'm surprised we didn't have a thread here about the recent success of the True Finns.

What makes one mixing of cultures more unnatural than any other? Surely, there's been quite a mix in Britain as Bell Beakers replaced Windmill who were later replaced by Celts and then occupied by Romans to then be replaced by Anglo-Saxons who then got dominated by Normans.

[Rhyfelwyr]

What makes one mixing of cultures more unnatural than any other? Surely, there's been quite a mix in Britain as Bell Beakers replaced Windmill who were later replaced by Celts and then occupied by Romans to then be replaced by Anglo-Saxons who then got dominated by Normans.

Yeah, you always get this gem of an argument on a site full of TW players. OK, you played Viking Invasion...

Look, when we talk about abstract ideas like the 'nation' I think it is obvious we are talking about concepts created some time after the national revolutions so really 18th century +, although maybe a bit earlier in some cases.

All the smug liberal types are happy to take it for granted that the nation should be the natural level for the political life of a state, and I think it is only natural this should also extend to the cultural and economic spheres, at which point they get all morally outraged.

Well, whatever... France is reaping what it sowed, and Meneldil looks like he's having fun as a result.

[PanzerJaeger]

Call me a racist-fascist-nazi-jerk, but needless to say, this is mostly done by... yeah you guessed it right, young arabian males

Of course it is.

[Noncommunist]

Yeah, you always get this gem of an argument on a site full of TW players. OK, you played Viking Invasion...

Look, when we talk about abstract ideas like the 'nation' I think it is obvious we are talking about concepts created some time after the national revolutions so really 18th century +, although maybe a bit earlier in some cases.

All the smug liberal types are happy to take it for granted that the nation should be the natural level for the political life of a state, and I think it is only natural this should also extend to the cultural and economic spheres, at which point they get all morally outraged.

Well, whatever... France is reaping what it sowed, and Meneldil looks like he's having fun as a result.

Actually, I've just played part of a game of the first Medieval Total war as the Byzantines, never got to Viking Invasion but I know what happened.

So therefore, it would have been better if we could have just turned back the clock so nationalism would have never emerged? And then we would be able to mix freely?

[Boohugh]

What makes one mixing of cultures more unnatural than any other? Surely, there's been quite a mix in Britain as Bell Beakers replaced Windmill who were later replaced by Celts and then occupied by Romans to then be replaced by Anglo-Saxons who then got dominated by Normans.

And each time that happened there was friction or conflict...just as there is now. Nothing has changed in the past few millennia with regards to cultural mixing, it just takes time to adjust.

[Incongruous]

Nations have been around longer than have nation-states, one can see the germination of both English and Frencg nations from the 14th century, Swizerland perhaps even earlier, certainly Arab nationalism (or a sense of being an Arab making oner different) was alive and kicking from the time of the great Islamic conquests. Some scholars like to claim that Nationalism was only invented during the French revolution, a position I feel is compromised by historical record.
The argument that England has been a melting pot is misleading, sure different ingredients have been put into the pot, but they all adhere to a North-west European cookbook, the only sector of society which had ever, prior to the second world war, had any cosmopolitan tendencies was the aristocracy. To claim that somhow immigrants from India are similar to the conquerors of England's past ("celts", Romans, Germanic pirates, Scandanavian pirates, Normans) is good political rhetoric but poor historic scholarship.

[Noncommunist]

Nations have been around longer than have nation-states, one can see the germination of both English and Frencg nations from the 14th century, Swizerland perhaps even earlier, certainly Arab nationalism (or a sense of being an Arab making oner different) was alive and kicking from the time of the great Islamic conquests. Some scholars like to claim that Nationalism was only invented during the French revolution, a position I feel is compromised by historical record.
The argument that England has been a melting pot is misleading, sure different ingredients have been put into the pot, but they all adhere to a North-west European cookbook, the only sector of society which had ever, prior to the second world war, had any cosmopolitan tendencies was the aristocracy. To claim that somhow immigrants from India are similar to the conquerors of England's past ("celts", Romans, Germanic pirates, Scandanavian pirates, Normans) is good political rhetoric but poor historic scholarship.

While they've all been from Northwest Europe, with far fewer communications back in the day, I'd imagine their differences would have been more pronounced. Plus, there are some cultural elements which did move the whole way from the Middle East to Britain during those times.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well this is what happens when you have the unnatural mixing of cultures. People should stay in their own nations with their own people.

Like with the burqas, I say don't ban them, but then we shouldn't have the sort of people that wear them here in the first place.

Expect the far-right to continue its rampage. I'm surprised we didn't have a thread here about the recent success of the True Finns.

Bah. It's got nothing to do with the mixing of cultures.

It's got everything to do with one bad culture, a reprehensible culture that's taken root in France.

It seems to me many in the government don't want to confront the problem culture because it is not politically correct to do so.

Though actually having immigration controls is a good thing. Makes me glad the US isn't next to the middle east.

CR

[Louis VI the Fat]

Ah...don't get me started. You've got more chance of being groped travelling on the Paris public transport than as a blonde American television reporter in Cairo wearing a short skirt saying 'feel me up'. It's sick. They are disciplining French women into subservient Afghan girls.
It is working too, of course. You resist the first thousand times. Then after having wiped the spit off your face for the 1001st time, you will not wear a skirt anymore. This is what acculturation is all about. Different cultures in close contact will adapt to one another.
The country where twenty years ago women sunbathed topless near riverbanks is now a country where many women cast their eyes down in submission when they meet strange men on the street.


As to the 'whore' bit. Yes. If you respond, you are a whore. For letting it happen. If you do not respond, you are an arrogant whore. Followed by 'are we not good enough for you', followed by spit in the face.
And, as they have it, a whore doesn't deserve respect and a whore can not be raped. In fact, whores need to be taught some manners for undermining the morale of men, so anything that happens is your own fault for being a filthy whore and making these men behave in this manner.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I rarely went to Nîmes until not too long ago. I always thought all the people who kept saying how bad it is were making things up. But no, they weren't.

Nîmes is a dump. The South is Algeria. Paris is Kinshasa. The north is a hellhole. Only the west is still doable. Bordeaux is still bliss. All the way up to Normandy it is peaceful. Maybe we can all live in a little village on the edge of the Breton peninsula, and have our druid brew magic potion to resist being under foreign occupation like the rest of Gaul.
There's also abroad. Although foreign countries might make you feel like an alien amidst different languages and customs. Which is, in effect, just like living in much of France then.

What the is going on here?

It is not just the Arabs. I shall top your fascism and go one further with stereotyping. The first problem is Méditerranée France, which is simply more macho than the north and west. Secondly, this local culture has been completely swamped by Italians*, Pieds-Noirs, Portuguese. These are more macho still. On top of this there is the Maghrebine immigration. Which is concentrated in the cities, and in the younger generations. There is no longer a city in the south where Europeans are a majority of youngsters. Urban culture is no longer European.

But the urban culture is not 'Arabic' either. It is a micture of Euro machismo, Afro subcultures, and a whole brew of influences, drawing as much from the mosque as from American rap music and gangsta subculture. Poker and gangbangs, these are what life is about to them. The local white trash speaks the same kind of gangsta French as the Beurs, wears the same clothes.


*Judging by your temperament, there's a fair bit of Rital ancestry in you too.

[Strike For The South]

Lolz,

Lolz indeed

I have to train in the morning but this thread will get a response proper at some point

[Fragony]

Gutmensch knows it's an enrichment. Rightwing party's have been warning for this for years, what decades. How very mean of us to doubt the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help us leftist militants and activist judges

[PanzerJaeger]

Ah...don't get me started. You've got more chance of being groped travelling on the Paris public transport than as a blonde American television reporter in Cairo wearing a short skirt saying 'feel me up'. It's sick. They are disciplining French women into subservient Afghan girls.
It is working too, of course. You resist the first thousand times. Then after having wiped the spit off your face for the 1001st time, you will not wear a skirt anymore. This is what acculturation is all about. Different cultures in close contact will adapt to one another.
The country where twenty years ago women sunbathed topless near riverbanks is now a country where many women cast their eyes down in submission when they meet strange men on the street.


As to the 'whore' bit. Yes. If you respond, you are a whore. For letting it happen. If you do not respond, you are an arrogant whore. Followed by 'are we not good enough for you', followed by spit in the face.
And, as they have it, a whore doesn't deserve respect and a whore can not be raped. In fact, whores need to be taught some manners for undermining the morale of men, so anything that happens is your own fault for being a filthy whore and making these men behave in this manner.

Excellent encapsulation. Terrible situation.

[Samurai Waki]

It is not as though these things weren't happening before. People have been moving around the globe and intermixing since we first marched out of Africa. The difference today is the speed in which it occurs, one decade you're living in a Maple Grove, and the next you're in Little Riyadh, or Mexico, or whatever. There isn't time to adjust to it, so you get a nationalist backlash.

[Fragony]

They spit on French values because they are raised with the notion that theirs are superior, simple as that.

@Louis move to our damp swamp boobies gallore, bring a few brunettes svp

[Banquo's Ghost]

This is an important subject to discuss but please be aware of the forum rules on racism before getting too carried away.

Please also be careful in the deployment of any flowery language or metaphor. Certainly more careful than the opening post.

Thank you kindly.

[Viking]

Bah. It's got nothing to do with the mixing of cultures.

It's got everything to do with one bad culture, a reprehensible culture that's taken root in France.

It seems to me many in the government don't want to confront the problem culture because it is not politically correct to do so.

Though actually having immigration controls is a good thing. Makes me glad the US isn't next to the middle east.

CR

I cannot think of one single culture that was allowed to prosper inside another one. Minority cultures living alongside majority cultures always mean trouble. The only way for a minority culture to become accepted, is to turn itself into a variant of the majority one - aka integrating.

Though, of course, it is more convienent to blame it on one culture in particular if it suits the general world view better. This is also an opportunity to forget unjust and disgraceful behaviour towards women stemming from one's own culture, so that the people from Foreignia can be absolutely evil, instead of just relatively.

[Hax]

It is not just the Arabs. I shall top your fascism and go one further with stereotyping. The first problem is Méditerranée France, which is simply more macho than the north and west. Secondly, this local culture has been completely swamped by Italians*, Pieds-Noirs, Portuguese. These are more macho still. On top of this there is the Maghrebine immigration. Which is concentrated in the cities, and in the younger generations. There is no longer a city in the south where Europeans are a majority of youngsters. Urban culture is no longer European.

But the urban culture is not 'Arabic' either. It is a micture of Euro machismo, Afro subcultures, and a whole brew of influences, drawing as much from the mosque as from American rap music and gangsta subculture. Poker and gangbangs, these are what life is about to them. The local white trash speaks the same kind of gangsta French as the Beurs, wears the same clothes.

Thank you.

The rest of this thread makes me sad.

[HoreTore]

I cannot think of one single culture that was allowed to prosper inside another one.

Really?

We stopped harrassing the Sami a few decades ago, their culture is now allowed to prosper.

As for the rest of this thread, get over yourselves. It's not that long ago slapping a woman on the buttocks was considered a compliment. We can thank 1968 for that no longer being the case, but 1968 was confined to just one part of the world. We need to spread feminism, something we are already doing.

[Furunculus]

What makes one mixing of cultures more unnatural than any other? Surely, there's been quite a mix in Britain as Bell Beakers replaced Windmill who were later replaced by Celts and then occupied by Romans to then be replaced by Anglo-Saxons who then got dominated by Normans.

any culture where you have a strong dimorphism on a socially explosive level.

like pretty young parisian girls sunbathing topless on the sienne being called whores and spat-at by immigrants of arab/muslim descent, would be an example.

there is a strong argument that having a particular cultural group exceed ten percent leads to a tipping point where density discourages assimilation into accepting native cultural values, and thus situations such as descrived above.

[Husar]

Thank you.

The rest of this thread makes me sad.

Indeed, it makes me sad, too, when women are treated this way.

[Louis VI the Fat]

@Louis move to our damp swamp boobies gallore, bring a few brunettes svp

In another lifetime, I might consider moving from Bordeaux to Paris to Amsterdam in some sort of twisted masochist plot against myself, yes.


teh cold teh cold not even the size of Batavian boobs can warm a man in those forsaken Teutonic swamps

[gaelic cowboy]

Reading this makes me glad we decided to become poor again.

[Tellos Athenaios]

teh cold teh cold not even the size of Batavian boobs can warm a man in those forsaken Teutonic swamps

What are you on about? It's 25.5 °C indoors already.

[Louis VI the Fat]

women treated this way.

If I may add one sidenote to this...

Women's rights have never been more popular than since one could bash immigrants over it. One can nowadays witness the spectacle of two guys sitting in a garage, discussing the loss of women's rights because of immigration, in front of their nekkid girls calender and in between wolf whistling female customers.
Same with gays. And Jews. No matter how much some conservative simpleton may dislike gays, and Jews, and Israel, he will still find it in him to berate the Arabs for being homophobe antisemites.


Pffft...

[Strike For The South]

I had a giant self righteous post and my compluter ate the bloody thing, cliff notes

France has recently taken on allot of poor, brown, and muslim immigrants

French Culture is superior to this immigrant culture, although that's a broad brush

The way these people are welcomed and assimialted into French cultutre matter to. In America crime rates are much lower among all immigrant groups and they are *gasp* brown people to.

All 3 of these things matter, let's not be infants about the issue, but let's also acknowledge they matter both ways.

It's not like before teh brownies came France was a paradise were all women were treated with the utmost chivalry and respect. Because that isn't true either

Also, in America if someone groped a women and called her a whore that person would be dropped by someone in the bar. I don't mean to go testosterone frontroom on everyone but that would happen. Add into the mix it's some spindly little derka derka and their are a few amount of people who would probably take a certain fun in it. Is French culture usually this passive? I'm just getting an image of a bunch of pasty artsy types crying into the cafe & crossicants....come on guys.

I cannot think of one single culture that was allowed to prosper inside another one. Minority cultures living alongside majority cultures always mean trouble. The only way for a minority culture to become accepted, is to turn itself into a variant of the majority one - aka integrating.

THEIR ARE JEWS IN THEM HILLS

[ajaxfetish]

I cannot think of one single culture that was allowed to prosper inside another one. Minority cultures living alongside majority cultures always mean trouble. The only way for a minority culture to become accepted, is to turn itself into a variant of the majority one - aka integrating.

The Pennsylvania Dutch?

Ajax

[Rhyfelwyr]

THEIR ARE JEWS IN THEM HILLS

It's always the same side that uses goes CAPSLOCK first and its never the ones they say it is.

Other people can do that to...

A: I don't like the way these immigrants act
B: ZOMG RACIST!!!

Yay!