Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[shlin28]

Vote GAG to Renata
Vote Jedi Holocron to Diamondeye

I think that covers all the items/what people asked for?

Anyway, it looks like people are NOT moving wagers to auto despite Earthling and Mythmonster's cases being so weak. Stupid wager system... So given that I only have 2 choices, I think I'll go for Myth as the lesser of two evils (see what I did there?). His explanation for his posts this phase are slightly worse than Earthling's, especially the whole PSYCHOTIC TO THE DEATH thing he has going on. Me no like faction infighting.

Fold, Bet 5 on Mythmonster2


Edit: I'll also be watching Greyblades a bit more closely now, very active this phase unlike before and has interesting-ish voting patterns. But then, so does half of the people still alive...

[B-Wing]

Please disregard my tally. I just went to update and correct it, and realized it is way screwed up. I'd have to start over to figure out where it went wrong, which I'm not gonna do.

[Greyblades]

Edit: I'll also be watching Greyblades a bit more closely now, very active this phase unlike before and has interesting-ish voting patterns. But then, so does half of the people still alive...

The increase of activity is due to my attention no longer being taken by another game(the mafia's comeback) where I was mafia, now that it's over my attention has come here. As for my vote He admitted to trying to kill me, what do you expect I'd do, pat him on the back?

[B-Wing]

If this has already been brought up, my appologies, but does anyone else think MRD's theory about the distribution of non-town roles might be correct? So far, 5 non-Evil players have died (3 Neutrals, 1 Chaotic, and 1 Serial Killer) and they've all been from different factions. I find that interesting. MRD was suggesting that each faction may have one (and only one) non-Evil character. If it's true, here's how the known faction list would breakdown:

1: Dark Falls Mafia - Chaotic
2: Bizzarro Mafia - Neutral
3: Springfield Mafia - Serial Killer
4: Space Mafia - Neutral
5: Python Mafia - ?
6: Evil Mafia - ?
7: South Park Mafia - ?
8: Psychotic Mafia - Neutral
9: Cosa Nostra Mafia - ?

I suppose there's probably a 10th faction to keep the teams even in numbers. If all the above assumptions are true, then there would be 4-5 non-Evil roles still alive, and they would be from the last 4-5 factions. Of course, that could be completely false, but the consistency of it is very appealing.

[Diamondeye]

If this has already been brought up, my appologies, but does anyone else think MRD's theory about the distribution of non-town roles might be correct? So far, 5 non-Evil players have died (3 Neutrals, 1 Chaotic, and 1 Serial Killer) and they've all been from different factions. I find that interesting. MRD was suggesting that each faction may have one (and only one) non-Evil character. If it's true, here's how the known faction list would breakdown:

1: Dark Falls Mafia - Chaotic
2: Bizzarro Mafia - Neutral
3: Springfield Mafia - Serial Killer
4: Space Mafia - Neutral
5: Python Mafia - ?
6: Evil Mafia - ?
7: South Park Mafia - ?
8: Psychotic Mafia - Neutral
9: Cosa Nostra Mafia - ?

I suppose there's probably a 10th faction to keep the teams even in numbers. If all the above assumptions are true, then there would be 4-5 non-Evil roles still alive, and they would be from the last 4-5 factions. Of course, that could be completely false, but the consistency of it is very appealing.

It might be somewhat relevant if not accurately true. I would suspect, if we're dealing with Sith attackers, that there is a Star Wars Mafia. Or are they just Space Mafia?

Also, have we ever seen the Cosa Nostra? I mean, it sounds awfully flashy for a bluff name, but as far as I know, only MRD mentioned it so far?

[dcmort93]

starwars is space as the only known starwars person was in space mafia

[Jolt]

It might be somewhat relevant if not accurately true. I would suspect, if we're dealing with Sith attackers, that there is a Star Wars Mafia. Or are they just Space Mafia?

Also, have we ever seen the Cosa Nostra? I mean, it sounds awfully flashy for a bluff name, but as far as I know, only MRD mentioned it so far?

My character is part of the Star Wars Mafia game that ATPG made, but I was part of the Space Mafia.

[Diamondeye]

starwars is space as the only known starwars person was in space mafia

My character is part of the Star Wars Mafia game that ATPG made, but I was part of the Space Mafia.

See maybe I should keep quiet when it's 2 AM and I've had a whole bottle of wine. Anyway thanks for clearing that up... Good night

[Earthling]

Couple things.

@Diamondeye - it was shlin who revealed the "Cosa Nostra" are out there, claiming they are an enemy of his faction (should be Evil Mafia, again).

That theory overall at least gets people talking, but it's not good, again. 9 factions doesn't add up for the total number of players easily at all, without different numbers per faction, though perhaps that is the case again as there are a lot more available characters for a faction like the Springfield Mafia than mine for instance, I can't see there being more than 1-2 Pythons. The total number of neutrals implied doesn't add up at all either nor does it make sense they were evenly dispersed but we'll see. The kernel of truth I'd go with though is that, most importantly, if anyone knows of any 10th or more unrevealed factions it's gotta be brought forward soon, that's really important to the town at this point. South Park, Cosa Nostra, any 10th faction could have at least 1/3 of the remaining players on a handful of factions and whatever they organize, especially if it's against the town, the rest of us are in trouble.

Now, as for votes, it's getting late, last minute swings today should be discouraged, I've got my final thoughts though. The mythmonster case is poor and he looks non-chaotic to me so I would hope neither of those wagons succeeds, and anyway don't want to waste up others' credits. dcmort, it's interesting if you're around what you're thinking, surely you don't just want to waste yours so are you going to fold or try to get more people betting up on me or what?

I still don't like Rabbit at all, but Autolycus is definitely lurking and why not see if that is worth the pressure. My final bet is to

Fold; Bet: 5 credits on Autolycus

And if mythmonster is around - I'd recommend a couple changes in your tactics, this is why this type of wagon fails when people go about it like that. Firstly, Skooma's not getting lynched, your credits would go well on Autolycus if you have them and are trying to use them but don't want to vote me or yourself. And as you claim you are Psycho, probably a bunch of lazy, factional infighting people who hate the Psycho mafia snuck into the bandwagon on you with 5, 10 credit bets. It would be great again if we could learn who the Psycho's factional enemies are as you can't reveal that if you die and then we wouldn't be able to follow up on people's behavior, just my thoughts, and don't see how it hurts at this point. Other than you mythmonster (or if Autolycus both becomes a candidate and shows up with something about himself at the last minute) we'd be on the lookout for anyone else doing last minute credit-betting and swinging, let's not do that today, general townies out there should know that at this point.

[B-Wing]

Also, have we ever seen the Cosa Nostra? I mean, it sounds awfully flashy for a bluff name, but as far as I know, only MRD mentioned it so far?

I thought someone else had already mentioned them as being amongst their rival factons. But I faction scanned one of their members, so I can confirm their existance.

[dcmort93]

To be quite honest I want to know who roleblocked me. I had spoken about vigkilling you and so my first thought was that you had protected yourself and that set off my scumdar a bit. Now that I've thought about it my other action failed as well, both for unspecified reasons. my vote will stay for now as i still think you to be scum, but I'll be trying to find some things out in the mean time

[Believer]

Vote: Lucky Badge to Renata
Vote: Jedi Holocron to Diemondieu (Diamondeye)
Vote: Santa's Vodka to Visorslash

Bet: 1 credit on Autolycus

[autolycus]

Sorry if I've been a bit inactive, I find it hard to get going in large games where private claims aren't allowed ordinarily, and running a game over on CFC doesn't make things easier.
Anyway, I was role-blocked last night, so there's at least one other person out there who knows I'm not one of the killers. Granted, given the two action system, it's fully possible that my blocker was one of the killers. Anyway, I like the Earthling case better than the mythmonster one, so Bet: 20 credits on Earthling.

[Beskar]

I liked the case where it involved killing a choatic.

[Visor]

Fine. If I ain't dead this night round, I'll vote 60 on Renata. Ya happy?

[mythmonster2]

Ah yes, I forgot to mention that I was roleblocked last night, or at least there is a very good chance that I was, due to the wording of the message I got. Renata, was this you too?

[Romanic]

fold; bet 1 credit mythmonster

Saving my credits, since my candidate is not gonna be lynched, but also keeping it on record that I would prefer mythmonster to be lynched.

[Backwards Logic]

Well, my guy isn't going down either, so I'll Fold.

[Earthling]

Really people? Especially Roman, you could have just raised your own bet. Everybody else loses theirs either way as they are not getting credits back on me. I'd clearly say I prefer not to die, way to let the scum lynch an unnightkillable Innocent just like that, but hey. And on top of that everyone has another of not having a clue what Renata is up to or able to question her when we don't see the results of her attempted lynch. It still seems to me the entire real case she was after was that mythmonster didn't "obey" her orders to try to vigilante other people in private. I do think myth is Innocent too though and since it looks like he'll live today, good luck to you. If he wouldn't want to die tonight not really a good idea to force it on him instead of me, just not what an Englishman would do. I also question why fluffy and Visorslash are hanging around, were they waiting to try to swing the tally one way, neither of them have any substantial bets placed beforehand and while fluffy might want me dead for factional revenge if that's even true, Visor has no motive, should place a real bet and take a side.

[Askthepizzaguy]

round will end in one minute. Votes after that point will be invalid. I will do a tally and post it, and then begin the writeup.

[Earthling]

Actually there's a possibility people betting on me don't have the full amount of credits they bet, and so it wouldn't add up. I don't have a full 50 either but it's worth a try to see how much this adds up to. Sorry mythmonster if this does work.

Fold;

Bet: 50 credits on mythmonster

have fun losing your credits dcmort and not voting at all B_Ray too, you know I'm a Python. Hanging around at the last minute and not giving an opinion, especially B_Ray with who knows what new factional vengeance he's after, way to go town, this is why the town will lose.

[Earthling]

Oh, this is crazy, I learned something that I didn't expect, promise I'll explain after the lynch if it matters or is possible for me to do so even if mythmonster did get lynched. Anyway all you people waiting around right before the deadline and folding to save credits and so on, we have to make a policy of not doing that or it'll destroy the town every time, still laughing at the scum who are losing credits on me regardless though.

[naut]

Sorry Earthling if you are innocent. Like I said earlier, if there is no other clear target at the start of the round I would become too busy and not remember to check the thread until it is too late.

Regardless, I love the quote in your sig. Carl Sagan ftw.

[thefluffyone93]

Really people? Especially Roman, you could have just raised your own bet. Everybody else loses theirs either way as they are not getting credits back on me. I'd clearly say I prefer not to die, way to let the scum lynch an unnightkillable Innocent just like that, but hey. And on top of that everyone has another of not having a clue what Renata is up to or able to question her when we don't see the results of her attempted lynch. It still seems to me the entire real case she was after was that mythmonster didn't "obey" her orders to try to vigilante other people in private. I do think myth is Innocent too though and since it looks like he'll live today, good luck to you. If he wouldn't want to die tonight not really a good idea to force it on him instead of me, just not what an Englishman would do. I also question why fluffy and Visorslash are hanging around, were they waiting to try to swing the tally one way, neither of them have any substantial bets placed beforehand and while fluffy might want me dead for factional revenge if that's even true, Visor has no motive, should place a real bet and take a side.

Hmmm?
No, I just tend to leave this thread open on a tab in my internet browser, so I can refresh periodically, and then I go off and do other things, like Black Ops Call of the Dead.
So it may seem I have been watching this entire conversation for a majority of the day; I just never bothered to close the web browser.

[Backwards Logic]

Oh, this is crazy, I learned something that I didn't expect, promise I'll explain after the lynch if it matters or is possible for me to do so even if mythmonster did get lynched. Anyway all you people waiting around right before the deadline and folding to save credits and so on, we have to make a policy of not doing that or it'll destroy the town every time, still laughing at the scum who are losing credits on me regardless though.

How exactly will it 'destroy the town?' It's been pointed out numerous times that credits = options, and in the late game they'll mean being able to 1) buy an ability to get some answers on a solid lead or 2) actually have something to use against a possible/highly suspected Chaotic. Quite frankly, I'd frown upon those not folding and wasting all of their credits on basically nothing. Tell me, from an individual standpoint, what's the harm in me folding? What actually changed? As I understand it, folds = losing one credit, which is the same as an abstain/no vote...

[Romanic]

Pizza, if you want to validate your tally, here's what I have:

122 mythmonster (DIY 3, GE 10, DE 4, Skooma 5, acin 15, Renata 4, Ironside 5, Greyblades 20, shlin 5, Romanic 1, Earthling 50)
120 Earthling (Visorslash 2, dcmort 40, Psychonaut 39, Crazed Rabbit 19, autolycus 20)
50 Skooma Addict (mythmonster 50)
20 Visorslash (Link 20)
3 Renata (Chaotix 3)
1 autolycus (Believer 1)

Maybe I missed something though.

[Earthling]

In your case as a revived Innocent suppose it's better you don't lose credits. In everybody else's case, no, because it's endorsing that behavior from everyone else too, and there needs to be a policy of universal punishment (like lynching the next day) from every other player for such shenanigans that we all agree on in advance, or the chaotics will escape any future lynch with last minute stuff. People who make big bets early and intend to fold last second are purposefully misleading the town and waste others' credits, for instance due to Roman inflating the tally others might have wagered more credits than they would have, yet he loses nothing.

edit @ Roman - that's not going to match ATPG's tally anyway because I don't have 50 credits, it will simply be all I have and show that I'm out otherwise, but that's already pretty well known as some (scum) stole a lot from me a couple nights back. The question is if dcmort or a couple others' max bets are also valid or if they don't really have that many credits either.

[Romanic]

Really people? Especially Roman, you could have just raised your own bet.

Yeah, well... At the time I reduced my bet, you were about 40 credits behind, with 15 mins to go. Even though I preferred a mythmonster lynch, I wasn't going to save you near the deadline, with a large bet. It's one thing to think someone else is a better lynch, but entirely another to strongly vouch for you like you said I should have. Any better lower than 40 credits (or so) would had me losing these credits, and any higher bet is way too much a commitment to your innocence, something that I am really not sure about.

[Romanic]

Ugh.... Betting more credits than you actually have, should not be allowed. It's similar to tally manipulation, which is frowned upon. I can see how players can take advantage of this, placing large bets, making it look like someone is ahead of the tally when he isn't, inciting players voting for the real tally leader, to unvote.

ATPG, you should have a ruling against people making illegal votes. My opinion anyway.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ugh.... Betting more credits than you actually have, should not be allowed. It's similar to tally manipulation, which is frowned upon. I can see how players can take advantage of this, placing large bets, making it look like someone is ahead of the tally when he isn't, inciting players voting for the real tally leader, to unvote.

ATPG, you should have a ruling against people making illegal votes. My opinion anyway.

If you check the rules, such "bluff" wagers are in fact legal. They will simply not be counted as what they're written as, and the true amount will be revealed in the tally.