Most dominant infantry in Europe

**TheLastDays** · 05-13-2011, 08:13

Originally Posted by Rahl

About that one on the pre-battle screen. Even the one during the battles differs from that one. I think the odds on the pre-battle screen count the troops and the general and not much more. Seeing the difference between the campaign map-terrain and the battle map it wouldn't be able to calculate that correctly.

Actually the pre-battle odds are at least supposed to evaluate tropp strength, troop quality and experience, general's ability and so they are supposed to really give an account of the odds in the battle. The "troopmeter" in the battle system only counts numbers as far as I know

**Rahl** · 05-13-2011, 19:34

Originally Posted by TheLastDays

The "troopmeter" in the battle system only counts numbers as far as I know

I'm sure it counts height and stamina too. Sometimes I fought only with the cavalry of the FMs, mostly against small rebel armies. I tired them out and took higher ground to charge them and I saw chances in the "troopmeter" doing this before I attackt them. I'm quite sure it counts troop quality too.

**TheLastDays** · 05-16-2011, 18:21

Yes, I have now tested it and have to say you're right, sorry for the misleading statement ;)

**Ksifos** · 05-26-2011, 02:21

Just finished my Maks campaign, really enjoyed it.

A small update since my last posts.Bois infantry may look good in stats but ingame fail to impress.In fact I found them breaking quite easily.

Cordinau Orca on the other hand is an excellent unit.In a siege battle I had one of them on one wall plus a romphaiaphoroi on the other wall.Both units managed over 1200 kills against opponents such as Klerouchon Agema, Galatai Klerouchoi and Klerouchoi Phalangitai.
** In that same battle I lost almost three units of Bois who were unable to hold their position and broke very fast :-(

Also tested them in the battlefield against a Klerouchon Agema, "head to head" and managed to hold them with ease while other units encircled and finally butchered the Ptolemaic Elites.

This unit is simply superb in holding the line and with decent killing ratio.Plus due to high defense they are very good choice for autocalc battles.

**FinnishedBarbarian** · 05-26-2011, 09:49

Line infantry: probably marian and imperial cohorts, due to their insane recruitment area and cost/effectiveness. Thureophoroi would be second best choise cause they are good defensive infantry with good AOR, in europe greece and italy as far away as massalia. Pezoi Brettioi should also be mentioned due to the central position of italy, which allows to move them be easily moved to conflict areas (+ all factions can recruit them).

Conserning the claim that jugunthiz would be most dominant infantry: defining dominant brings conclusion that dominating infantry should be able to stand their ground against statistically superior infantry even without numbers andvantage or superior support troops, this jugunthiz can't deliver even with those starting chevrons, throw a unit of bataroas/milnacht/neitos against them and they break easily. Their high morale also comes from the great morale bonuses the sweboz generals get, so nothing too awosome on their morale either. Good supporting unit, but the real lineholder unit for the sweboz is still duguntiz.

**vollorix** · 05-26-2011, 10:13

@Ksifos:
When defending walls a unit almost doesn´t deplete stamina - that is why Orcas are so efficient ( insane armour + def. skill + halfway decent lethality ). I find it somewhat unrealistic that such elite warrior unit is not well enough physically conditioned... same goes to Arjos, while Triarii, imo, are ok, since they are old veterans, the last line, not ment to fight at all, actually.
-> to make it a bit more fun, i´ve personaly changed the stamina values of units like "Classical Hoplites", "Cardinau Orca", "Thorakitai" and some others adding "hardy" in their description; they still tire quite fast, and do not replenish stamina too quick, but i´m not condemed to use them in defence only anymore.

Right now i´m playing a "Boii" campaign, using Arverni faction ( left Aedui alone, made Eburonum the starting settlement - bit cheating, no modding, though, - and made sure most of my adopted FM´s are Boii ), and i have to say that "Boii Cingetos" really impressed me.
I also have to add, that my EDU has been altered quite a lot ( -4 spear attack for most infantry, changed lethality for swords a bit: 0,1 -> 0,13... 0,13 -> 0,15 and some other indivudual changes; i find that prolonged EB battles must be adressed = slightly higher lethality because the drop of the same after a while resulting in utter stabbing instead of actual killing ).

**Ksifos** · 05-27-2011, 02:11

IMO In wall battles stamina isnt a factor both for the defender and the attacker.

As for Bois I found them very "morale sensitive".Maybe as most barbarian units, they need a morale booster near them.Because their stats (visible) are excellent.