Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[thefluffyone93]

fluffy.If you dont want to loose all your credits.I would drop that bet on Visorslash.

Its a gamble I'm willing to take.
Its not like I was using them anyway.

[thefluffyone93]

And now I realize what the credit limit is.

Fold; Bet 80 credits on Visorslash

[Visor]

Seriously, though. You people mind saving me? I'm all in on Chaotix.

[Kagemusha]

Fluffy this will only mean that you will not be around for long, if you are playing against the town. raise : 65 credits on Chaotix

[thefluffyone93]

Fluffy this will only mean that you will not be around for long, if you are playing against the town. raise : 65 credits on Chaotix

[Visor]

Thanks.

[Kagemusha]

[thefluffyone93]

I go to bed now.
Reconsider killing off what is quite possibly the easiest way to win while I sleep.

[dcmort93]

I've been out all night so it looks like we found some scum. Fold; Bet 10 credits on Chaotix.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Luls

See the purple line in this man's signature? I wrote it for a reason.

[Kagemusha]

Gah my item voting format is wrong.

Vote: all items to Kagemusha.

Beskar. I for one think that your revival would be a good thing. Dont loose heart yet. I know you have been able to fish out valuable information before and i dont have a problem believing you have succeeded yet again.

[Visor]

Dcmort, care to raise your bid?

[Kagemusha]

Tally:

275 Chaotix (BL 15, Greyblades 20, Romanic 10, Visorslash 50, Crazed Rabbit 20, Psychonaut 31, Yaseikhaan 39,Kagemusha 80, dcmort93 10)
160 Visorslash (Chaotic 80,fluffy 80)
45 God Emperor (Arpeg 40, Beefy 5)
5 Fluffy (shlin 5)

There is no point in raising anymore.

[Visor]

You wanna bet some people are short?

Anyway, thanks for saving me for this day phase. I expect Chaotix's mafia buddies might want some revenge. If some has a protect power, if they don't have a better target, I would request they use it on me. But only if they don't have a better target.

[Skooma Addict]

Bet: 1 credit on Chaotix

Vote: Bear Claw to Mr. Beefy

Vote: All other items to Kage

[Death is yonder]

Blah blah blah.

You say that as if it means something.

I am a legendary double-crosser. You think I have any qualms about betraying my team if it brings me closer to winning? I've already told you I can change my alignment upon completion of my personal goal. I'll be a townie just like the rest of you, with knowledge of my partners in crime to sell, and night-kill immunity from them to boot.

You're gonna need me. Kills aren't going to reduce if I die.

I am a legendary double-crosser, having no qualms at all with lying to everyone with nonsense just to survive one more day and literally cause more chaos. I've already lied to everyone that I can change alignment upon completion of my daring scheme. I am a lying scum, with the knowledge of partners in crime which I'm dangling in front of your face just to help me live and more lies to boot.

You are going to need me dead, kills are going to reduce if I die.

That's what I read here

You shouldn't give out your alignment so readily, or you should consider renaming yourself "Death is over the Yonder"

You must really hate that I been striking nails on the head, I know why you been telling people not to listen to me, it is in my reply to Romanic. I am far too dangerous and if there is even the slightest remote chance I am scum, you would then kick yourself to losing to me again. So you go to the default position of "Beskar = Scum" which makes mafia games very boring for me, as I might as well just randomly post from memegenerator since no one would listen to what I have to say anyway, even if I am getting everything right and proven myself ten fold.

Infact, in this game, I did both randomly posting joke posts and telling you who the scum were. Next time, I just won't bother adding the part about who scum are, since it gets ignored anyway.



I beat them to that too, just ended up a little dead before I could cash in on that information.

Beskar in the first place, your joking posts are worth absolutely nothing. If you knew who they were you would have revealed it there and then because you knew they were chaotic. You may be telling the truth about something, but for all your bluster in public, you don't know half of what you say you do. Have you forgotten I'm confirmed evil and you are neutral? We don't know your agenda, you might even be able to swing the other way from what you've been replying to Chaotix, if you are on our side and "don't care" you would just leave the game and leave us to rot, you won't be saying "maybe Chaotix you should come and revive me".

I am tempted to turn leaf and going to start rooting for the Chaotics. The town are not even smart enough to revive their greatest asset which I would have gladly worked for to end up getting a victory.

So Chaotix, tell your masters for them to consider reviving me and I will work for them, I can greatly aid them, plus the town will keep wasting credits on lynching me giving them a free bus pass to victory.

Take your hustle and bustle elsewhere Beskar

You don't care who catches them, but when I offer them to you on a silver platter you turn me down?

Something is not adding up here.

Sure, I am untrustworthy. But look at it from my perspective: my personal goal is yet unfulfilled, my faction is dying out very quickly, and I have a choice between which team I want to win with. I just want to survive long enough to get my personal goal, switch my alignment, and be on the winning team.

And I am ready to betray my chaotic buddies to do it.

Because let's face it: I am the REAL Chaotic One here. It's even in my name.

You are talking as if we are turning down our greatest asset. You forgot to mention that you can and will willingly backstab us and its just a ploy to survive long enough to do so. Lets look at it this way, you've been caught, you've been exposed, and you are a squirming scumbag. You are in no position to bargain, we mightaswell revive Diamondeye if we want to know who the scums are [And he won't tell us obviously]. That's how credible you are. Zilch.

Aaahhhh.....
Let 'im live.
He's willing to backstab, so why are we stopping him?
If we kill the first of the players he listed as scum, and they are innocent, we kill him.
Plain and simple.

Because that wastes time we don't have fluffy. Its that plain and simple. If we let him survive one lynch and he causes more chaos tonight, not only does he wastes credits in the day phase, he wastes actions on him.

Don't you remember Beskar saying how skilled he was?
Then he said he knew I was Anju?
Then it turns out, I'm not Anju after all?

What happened to your detective skills Beskar?



What? Chaotix is a chaotic. If you vote for him, you lose NOTHING. SO why are you not voting?

QFT

I go to bed now.
Reconsider killing off what is quite possibly the easiest way to win while I sleep.

Its also the easiest way to shoot ourselves in the foot.

[Death is yonder]

Summary for why Chaotix should be lynched:

Pros
-Get rid of a confirmed scum
-Even if he says that killing him won't reduce the night kills, he can and WILL replace them once the number of scummers drop
-He might not be telling us the truth
-Killing him would save us a lot of headache if he's lying, which he almost definitely is
-If he survives he will waste credits of those trying to lynch him, and also cause trouble at night, and tie up night actions, you call that progress fluffy??

Cons
He might tell us who the chaotics are

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But lets face it, he isn't going to backstab his chaotic members. If he was such a legendary backstabber as he claims and so willing to backstab them, he would reveal their names now as a show of faith which would ensure his own victory. He has nothing to lose if he was telling the truth. He would tell us upfront if he was telling the truth.

And lets face it, pizza is not going to allow somebody on the chaotic team to just claim all their names and switch trains to instant "victory" the moment he is caught. That's just utter nonsense.

Bye Chaotix!

[Ironside]

Woot, scummy tell on 2 people in the same post. Wrong day for it, but you can't have it all.
And I didn't dismiss your comments in that post Beskar. Part of the reason for my focus on him.

Chaotix might very well be on yet another third faction and we all knows what happened with the last one.

If that's the case, we probably have few more days (I don't think they only need to find eachother to win), should he decide to give up other chaotics, but he'll hardly convert to townie. That would mean possible full Chaotic exposure on day 2.

Chaotix, are you willing to divulge us on what you did as a chaotic? Since you didn't kill and they already had a scanner, you're a bit redundant.

It's not confusiong. Here's the order of how it happened, assuming Visor is telling the truth:

1) Night started - Visor has 10 credits
2) He sent an order to steal 40 credits. Cost is 10 credits, deducted from his account. Balance: 0 credit.
3) Night actions resolve, they all happen at the same time.
--- 3a) khaan steal from Visor, his balance is 0 credit. Fail.
--- 3b) Visor steal 40 credits. Balance: 40 credits.
4) End of the night, income steps in, +10 creidts to each player. Balance: 50 credits.

I would recommend to check this with ATPG, I'm very certain the order is:

1) Night started - Visor has 10 credits
2) He sent an order to steal 40 credits. Cost is 10 credits, deducted from his account. Balance: 0 credit.
3) Night actions resolve, they all happen at the same time.
--- 3a) Visor steal 40 credits. Balance: 40 credits.
--- 3a) khaan steal from Visor, his balance is 40 credits. Success.
4) End of the night, income steps in, +10 credits to each player. Balance: 10 credits.

[Visor]

But Khaan would steal from me while I was stealing from RS, so he would get nothing while I was gettins something....?

Unless Khaan is lying about stealing.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Woah, I come back from my uni festival with cotton candy in my hand and a chaotic exposed. Like kage said, no point in raising anymore.

If Chaotix gives us some names, that would be great though. Just so I don't lose that one point for no reason, Imma Bet: 1 cred on Chaotix

[Winston Hughes]

Bet 10 credits on Chaotix

[Ironside]

But Khaan would steal from me while I was stealing from RS, so he would get nothing while I was gettins something....?

Unless Khaan is lying about stealing.

You would be getting something stealing from RS, while Khaan would be getting it from you afterwards. Let me put it this way, before the rule change, a thief would steal the credits you got in the morning. And AFAIK, the order of thefts haven't changed.
Not sure what happens if two theives steals from eachoher on the same night though.

[Visor]

What about if Khaan failed at stealing in the first place?

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Also ArpeggiateTHIS . What have you been doing as of late? 40 Bet on a hunch seems like a bit big one. I have gone through your posts in this game and so far you have dodged any situations which might have told anything about you. To the other people. As most must know i am Itchy and Scratchy from South Park Mafia.
If there is anything you would like to tell me so we can get properly organised, please drop me a pm. It would be really nice if i could get those items i voted for as i dont have anything right now, just for self preservation, so my resurrection will not be in vain.

Kage, I'll drop you a PM.

Fold; Vote all items to Kagemusha

It seems that my choices are either Chaotix or Visor. Visor seems to be an obvious townie. Therefore, looks like I'll waste a measly credit on Chaotix

Fold; Bet 1 credit: Chaotix.

[shlin28]

Why is a wager on Chaotix a waste? You will get your credits back...

Fold, Bet: 20 credits on Chaotix

[Visor]

I tried telling him that, but it seems he wants to waste his credits.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Why is a wager on Chaotix a waste? You will get your credits back...

Fold, Bet: 20 credits on Chaotix

He isn't scum yet though, is he? Or do we get credits returned on a neutral/good alignment too? If so, I see no harm in Fold; Bet One Bazillion Credits on Chaotix

[Visor]

He IS chaotic. IS as in right now.

You can only bet a max of 80 today, one bazillion is over and won't be counted.

My sig kinda proves that.

and Beskar beat punchline already, another +1 to Beskar.

I saw this coming a mile away, how many posts did you take you, dear reader?

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

He IS chaotic. IS as in right now.

You can only bet a max of 80 today, one bazillion is over and won't be counted.

I don't have a bazillion credits anyway, nor do I have 80. In that case Fold; Bet 40 credits on Chaotix

[Greyblades]

Wow, theres been alot of stuff happening last night.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Idiots.

I can give you all of the chaotics and win as a regular mafia with my personal goal of finding Anju fulfilled.

I was lying, of course, about being a regular townie. I was not lying about my personal goal. That's what it is. Finding Anju is one point. And once that's done, I get the option to change my alignment and go mafia instead of chaotic, if it's more convenient for me.

And you know what? It's certainly more convenient for me now.

But instead, you're going to lynch me and throw away your chance. Brilliant. You guys are just brilliant.

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Beskar, you have been awesome, and it wasn't my choice to kill you. I would've kept you along as a neutral assistant. Maybe if you got less convenient later I might've had you killed off, but I think we really could have been allies.

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So you guys have basically two options right now.

1. You lynch me now, and hope that you can find the other chaotics before they kill the rest of you. I find this unlikely, but you're free to take your chances and whatnot.

2. You take your votes off me and let me survive the day. In return, I give you the names of my scum partners (you can lynch one of them today if the votes come off quickly enough), and I become a townie once I find Anju during the night phase. My special ability is nightkill immunity, so I don't need you to protect me or anything. We kill off the mafia in 3 rounds or less, everybody lives happily ever after.

I'm NOT going to give you their names until I see the tides changing. If I die today, I am irrevocably a mafioso and would be screwing over my own chances of victory. I need to find Anju and give her my special item before I can change alignment.

Speaking of which: ANJU SHOULD REVEAL IN THE THREAD NOW. She is, as usual, a townie and has nothing to fear now that Ganondorf is dead.


So... anybody want to make a deal with the Devil? I am, after all, the Angel's worst enemy, working under his nose the entire time.

...No.

The Pendant of Memories, when transferred to Anju, gives us both a personal victory point. I can use it to scan for her, but once it's transferred its use has been fulfilled. No other special abilities attached.

...

Well isn't that a pity, because the only way I can give that Pendant of Memories to you is if I survive the day phase and transfer it to you tonight.

Decisions, decisions...

...We could always just get it off his bloated corpse and vote it to this anju person next turn, simple, effective and we dont have to put up with your whining for the next night phase, just saying.

PHEH I SAY.

PHEH.

LOOK UPON MY FACE OF DISAPPROVAL.



Fold

I could care less for a team victory right now, as the town is so inept.
I can win my personal victory whether I'm alive or dead, so I DON'T CARE.

...Mate this guy isnt even trying to deny he's a chaotic, you know the guys every townie team is trying to kill, whats the problem?

Bet: 97 credits on Visorslash

There.
I voted.
Happy?

NOW DON'T GIMME NO BACK-TALK!

Unless there's some great explanation for his actions I suggest we lynch fluffy next, unless BL wants to use that investgatory item on him.
[Edit:] oh wait that vote is invalid because its over 80 credits... I still say we at least have a look at him next turn.