Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[Earthling]

I cant place a bigger vote, I spent all my credits trying to steal an item.

:facehoof:

It's really killing me to try to think you are townie with moves like this. How would this have even helped? (versus, say, the purchased full roleblock) And did you realize how worrisomely close the chaotics may be to credit victory?

Anyway though, if you're lying about this it will be easily proven immediately. You do need to bet whatever amount of credits gets you out of credits if the lynch goes wrong though. So let's see that now, or just bet a round 50 or whatever if you don't want to specify the exact amount but go over.

But otherwise still in the clear for the lynch on ACIN. I really think we should get a unanimous 7-1 attempt and Greyblades and anyone left who is more unknown like Beefy or Arpegg cough up what they can, Roman and Kage can just join in for low credits and save their own as Innocents obviously. Though I don't think the lynch will even go wrong, but if it does we'll have chaotic suspects provably out of credits anyway so that we won't be facing a solo Sephiroth victory without another last ditch chance. (If two non-ACIN, non-Greyblades people are scum we've probably lost anyway, but with two scum left I don't see how ACIN is not one of them so it'd be a successful lynch)

[Greyblades]

Facehoof?
Look the reason I havent revealed is because you'd kill me, regardless of my status as evil townie and the reason I haven't tried to help out is because my personal victory condition doesn't really change if its the mafia or the chaotix wins.
That and well I don't like you in this game. You've been useless all game, you've tried to kill me for crap reasoning, you've been so scummy yet unkillable and we cant even get rid of your invincibility, I tried stealing it, and you even have put me off reading anything longer than 2 lines.

[Seon]

I can try killing him again with my 1-shot 100% override ability if you want.

[Greyblades]

Any chance you could be one of the quiet dead?

[Seon]

No, because I'm still alive.

[Diamondeye]

No, because I'm still alive.

This is so hilarious I can't even be serious about it.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Once Greyblades dies I motion we kill Earthling.

[Earthling]

Oh Roman is still voting for Greyblades isn't he, only Kage unvoted.

We still have a shot at a unanimous bandwagon on you I think. Complain all you want but you're not saying what a townie would say. If you come up evil then everyone else can have fun killing Greyblades, vigging me, whatever, Roman could even try to revive you. Even if it turns out Winston or someone random is scum and they win you Evil Mafia could even get Greyblades for the faction victory in time during the night phase. Except that's not going to happen, because you won't turn up evil.

Roman, your vote is a bad call and an even worse risk for you to be losing your credits. If we were to get Greyblades it would really have to be done by forcing Beefy, ACIN, and anyone else to spend all their credits on the lynch in case it backfires. You and Kage can't be losing your credits like that, Greyblades comes out Innocent here and you lose your credits Roman and it's probably about over.

So unvote, even if you won't vote more than 1 on ACIN (please don't abstain though) it's not you losing credits and it's a better case.

Do you really think Greyblades is Sephiroth on his own Roman?

-He's Sephiroth, yet Beskar repeatedly claims he knows who Sephiroth is (as Seph killed Beskar) and that it's not Greyblades.
-He's Sephiroth, so multiple factions have no scum/serial killers on them at all and Sephiroth, Mace Windu, and Jolt as a neutral killer are all on the same faction?
-He's Sephiroth, yet he's basically first to jump off of Renata's bandwagon to lynch his partner Diamondeye?
-He's Sephiroth, and none of his recent votes or any of the nightkills help him at all? If we say it's Greyblades + someone random as scum, why didn't they simply kill shlin/ACIN/BL all earlier? You think the scum would have narrowed down the possible other people to be lynched in their place so only Greyblades remained, they took out landlubber and Bow-wow-wow and fluffy and all that? The mysterious fact that the scum didn't go all out to kill the Evil Mafia for a long time and further hinder BL and Roman's network was beneficial to Greyblades, right?

Everyone needs to lynch ACIN. Token credits from the known Innocents who don't need to lose them just in case but for a unanimous vote, get Winston and Beefy and Arpegg here for 10-20 from all and it's over.

[Greyblades]

I cant believe he's the one defending me.
Thanks earthling.

[Visor]

I'm really surprised that we both think Arpeg and you are town. And I still think ACIN got some splaining to do.

[a completely inoffensive name]

And I still think ACIN got some splaining to do.

Alright, what do you want me to explain?

[Visor]

I can't say what I want to without breaking the rules. Sorry.

But basically, if you post the PM's you sent to me and my answers, I can say what I want.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Umm, ok lets me grab them.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I have sent Kage, BL and Romanic an extensive argument for why I believe Earthling should be the next person lynched. Needless to say, it quite obvious from his lies and false arguments that he has been misleading townies since day 1 on purpose.

I have not yet received a reply from any of them, so I don't know how the situation will develop over the next 48 hours.

Try not to confront him directly like you are doing right now. As you can see he makes nonsensical paragraphs that "look" official and makes up lies that ties into his false logic.

I will update you on what the status is of the big three coming down on Earthling. I would like to ask you to send them a PM as well, but for all we know Earthling is PMing them right now saying that we are the last two scum that have been killing, so it might look bad.

Even if you are scum, if you kill Earthling, you have my undying gratitude.

ATPG accidentally confirmed I am not Seph. There is no way anyone can argue that if I was Seph and I got lynched that the outcome of the game would not have changed...except for Earthling.

I'm no neutral or anti-evil affiliated person either, and I am hoping that BL does his super scan on me and reveals that.

It's a waste of a scan. I'd be doing Earthling, or ApeggiateTHIS2 or Greyblades. OR Beefy.

A completely inoffensive name
ArpeggiateTHIS2
Backwards Logic
Beefy187
Earthling
Greyblades
Kagemusha
Romanic
Visorslash
Winston Hughes
Yaseikhaan

Well since Arp is Seph, the scan probably won't reveal him. The lynch exposed him imo, but for some reason people overlooked it because they got tricked by his cover role. The they tried to night kill him and that failed because godfathers are in most cases immune from night kills. They always have to be lynched to death, usually twice and Earthling has not been lynched a second time.

But if I get scanned, it pretty much stops Earthling's arguments in his tracks which is what we want.

Arp is Sephiroth?

Oops I meant Earth but saw that Arp was still alive and my fingers went into copy-pasta mode.

Thought so. Look, tell them I think Earthling is worth checking out. They don't believe anything I say anyway.

Also, send this to them for me please, as they will just ignore it if I send it.

Why won't you let me help? Why are you ignoring me? A simple no will do.

Ok, what is your questions?

[Earthling]

Greyblades I think you didn't quite realize what exactly I was ever after you for anyway. It was in significant part because I had no clue who you were. I really had been told very little all along by BL or Roman or anything, I didn't even know many, many people's factions and acting on some mistaken assumptions probably hurt (for instance, even very recently just a couple nights ago, kept asking if we knew there were five or six Bizarro Mafia but that never got answered by anyone who knew, me and Beefy BOTH end up vigilante-ing Skooma, all just lack of information).

All I had about you was just in thread votes or posts, and only the claim that you had a roleblock item that once succeeded. I didn't know your supposed character or anything like that, so you were on my list of people who needed to be found out and investigated or killed if expedient. And some of the arguing with Renata looked bad to me, true, editing that one post and all. But looking back and knowing who you are, which gives you no motivations for something crazy, it's easier to understand where you would be coming from as a townie. Not a guarantee compared to our other known Innocents, but understandable.

Plus the stuff about Beskar also stands on its own, I read his posts and the writeups and am pretty confident in my conclusion as to what he meant to tell us, knowing about the Angel/Sephiroth now.

Meanwhile, ACIN's own posts and complaints ironically made looking back at his posts very interesting. And again, it's in the thread. Anyone can read and see if they agree but the votes in the thread aren't changing. Just look at a day like Day Two though, it's far more interesting than Day Six in every way - the whole chaotic team, practically lined up first to bandwagon on Renata (who was silenced, hmm) and then to save Chaotix from getting lynched by random townies. It's in the thread, it's how they voted, Chaotix then Diamondeye and GE, and ACIN happened to bandwagon with a vote justified with a lie as clearly pointed out by Renata later.

Look at his posts! They reek of scumminess!

[a completely inoffensive name]

Yeah and Renata called you out as well at some point Earthling, but I am not bringing up that crap as if it is evidence of anything. Your false logic and word trickery speaks for itself.

[Earthling]

Renata lied about me because I was correctly pointing out to other people why she was scummy, yes.

You are simply lying. I know you're refusing to ever answer or address the valid points because you don't want other people reading over your scummy posts. It doesn't make the facts less true. You joined the YLC bandwagon right after Chaotix, Diamondeye, and God Emperor pushed it basically back-to-back, to save Chaotix. And you completely lied about the reason for your vote and ignored Renata and Zack's criticism later, you just let it fade into the background (which it did with MRD, Jolt, and several others making a mess.) If we'd killed or lynched Chaotix by Day Three everyone could have turned out way differently and the scum really exposed themselves there. Your refusing to address this doesn't make it less true, and given that all the other scum were involved, hard to explain away that another couldn't have been.

And your actions are entirely inconsistent with your lies about who you "suspect." If you thought I was Sephiroth, you would have tried to vig-kill me by now or lynched me yesterday. It's curious how you kept claiming from very early in the game who you knew were townies, for reasons nobody else knew, but so you could sound good if they died and you were right. (Like "MRD and Earthling are both town. Mythmonster and Visorslash are both town. Greyblades and Psychonaut are both town" - oh wait, you've given up on that last one right, never responded to questions about that on your votes yesterday or today). The same things goes on who you "suspected" as scum (every single one also inactive Innocents and non-chaotics, but "let's go after these lurkers and somehow blame Renata for it too!"). Such scum.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I responded to your posts for 36 hours straight Earthling. If I have been exposing myself as a fraud I would have dug my own hole already.

Once again you are full of ****.

Renata accused ACIN and we should remember that.
Renata accused Earthing but disregard that because she was lying about that but not about ACIN.

Blah, blah, blah.

[Earthling]

To anyone who bothers to read for five minutes it is obvious you are. You lied again and again that you were scanned by Backwards Logic. You lied again and again and continue to lie about stuff posted on the game thread. They are such obvious lies too, you say nonsense like "you didn't post a link" to someone when they did just to take up space in the thread and distract from real arguments.

But please, go explain why you bandwaggoned to save Chaotix and lied about your vote, lied about being scanned, and lied about your night actions.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I already have explained all of that. You blow up every little thing as if it is some huge thing. I thought BL scanned me, and my words on the record are "pretty sure I have been scanned". And you start yammering about me lying.

This is all you have, is that I have lied. But what have I lied about? Nothing. What have you lied about? Everything. And yet, you just keep posting wall after wall of text asserting the opposite.

I'm going to use this time to study and stuff. This day phase is going to end tonight. Then a 48 hour night phase that should end on monday night for me. So I will spend some of my Tuesday night getting into it with you ok? I got a final on Wednesday as well, so when I finish my final then I can spend my full time on here as well.

EDIT: Also Major League Gaming is on right now, and I love my StarCraft 2 tournaments.

[Earthling]

You should be dying today, so that's all irrelevant. Roman can cleary see the logic and even if not hopefully Kage can manage to place a bet. I'd be really disappointed if we need something unanimous and don't get it but at the very least you should get the lynch.

Roman can a) still try to revive anyone on the Evil Mafia even if you come up Innocent and that's a worry for him, you're worthless for really needing to be alive for your abilities (claimed none) or credits (also claimed about none now) even under the hypothetical that you are. b) easily organize vig hits or whatever else on Greyblades or me or whomever if you come up Innocent and he believes somebody is Sephiroth, we'd be out of credits regardless and not threatening a credit victory for the chaotics yet.

Killing Greyblades and letting you live accomplishes none of that unless getting Greyblades ends the chaotics right now. Which nobody has provided any reason at all why it should, not even good speculation on who Greyblades would have as a scum ally otherwise. Roman and Kage seem to believe as far as they've indicated there could be two scum left and Greyblades is just a lazy, half-baked process of elimination case right now.

[a completely inoffensive name]

lololol.
"I'm gonna get into it with you later."

"Well you should die so that is irrelevant."


Glad to see you are not even reading, just typing.

[Kagemusha]

I dont like this situation one bit, but a decision has to bemade. Bet: 10 credits on Greyblades

[seireikhaan]

One last time. We're all here to have fun. Please remember that, and play nice.

[Earthling]

Kage you don't need to spend more than 1 credit. It's absurd that you and Roman are risking losing so much if Greyblades is Innocent. Get Beefy and ACIN to up their bets on Greyblades so at least if he's not the scum then the other suspects are drained of credits, but not you and Roman.

Fold

bet: 1 credit on ACIN

I also don't see how you and Roman have the item ability slots (only one item ability per night) to use all of these items anyway. As a contigency plan if Greyblades is not scum I'd rather trust another Innocent who has a chance to use things and to not get immediately murdered. ACIN can come kill me if he likes but he won't do that because it'd prove I'm Innocent and risk his lynch tomorrow more. I also am not trusting, again for the contigency that Greyblades is Innocent (and ACIN would have to be scum) that Sephiorth wouldn't just try to have killed all the non-Evil Mafia so even if Roman lives or revives another Evil Mafia that's a loss for the rest of the town.

unvote: all items

vote: all items to ArpTHIS

[Kagemusha]

Your worries concerning the items are uncalled for. Just vote those like i and Romanic have done. We will be lot more aware what is going on after this day ends.

[Romanic]

I'm here, and my credits are staying on Greyblades.

Facehoof?
Look the reason I havent revealed is because you'd kill me, regardless of my status as evil townie and the reason I haven't tried to help out is because my personal victory condition doesn't really change if its the mafia or the chaotix wins.
That and well I don't like you in this game. You've been useless all game, you've tried to kill me for crap reasoning, you've been so scummy yet unkillable and we cant even get rid of your invincibility, I tried stealing it, and you even have put me off reading anything longer than 2 lines.

What does this mean anyway? He's claiming neutral or what?

At this point if someone claims that his victory conditiion does not change if the chaotic wins, well... I want this guy dead. He can't be Town right?

[Earthling]

No, they are not. It's certain that you simply can't use all the items for night abilities while ArpTHIS definitely could use the scan. And the bulletproofs I am happy to vote him too if he wants them, to come and vote for himself, his call. If Greyblades is scum and that's how you and Roman are voting it won't even matter, if not I don't want to make it absurdly easy for Sephiroth to kill off, say, Winston and ArpTHIS as helpless townies.

[a completely inoffensive name]

ACIN can come kill me if he likes but he won't do that because it'd prove I'm Innocent and risk his lynch tomorrow more.

Could say the same thing about you killing me.

Fold; Bet: 1 credit on Greyblades

You are not getting more credits than me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

One hour remains.

Thank goodness my internets are back up and working again. They were gone for me today.