EBOT 2011 July

[-Stormrage-]

just one issue, i;ll add to burbista's case, now There are 120 man phalanx units out there, correct? and what are we given to defend our selves against 120 man phalanxes? 60 man slingers with 1 missile attack value. Ok i know they have AP, but even if they have AP, you cant give them only 60 men and 1 attack value and expect them to do much. why do slingers have AP, becuase they are meant to take out armoured units, they are meant to kill phalanx so give them more damage, i know what you guys are thinking "your thinking they will be Over powered , well dont you think 1 attack is underpowered?

Bottum line is: Slingers are Horribly under powered due to giving them the least amount of men in the missile class(only 60) and on top of that they only get 1 or 2 attack, and only one of them gets 3 attack. thats just ridiculous even if they have AP, the AP trait can only do so much.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

just one issue, i;ll add to burbista's case, now There are 120 man phalanx units out there, correct? and what are we given to defend our selves against 120 man phalanxes? 60 man slingers with 1 missile attack value. Ok i know they have AP, but even if they have AP, you cant give them only 60 men and 1 attack value and expect them to do much. why do slingers have AP, becuase they are meant to take out armoured units, they are meant to kill phalanx so give them more damage, i know what you guys are thinking "your thinking they will be Over powered , well dont you think 1 attack is underpowered?

Bottum line is: Slingers are Horribly under powered due to giving them the least amount of men in the missile class(only 60) and on top of that they only get 1 or 2 attack, and only one of them gets 3 attack. thats just ridiculous even if they have AP, the AP trait can only do so much.

Storm, I'm pretty sure we played a practice game where my slingers absolutely wrecked your catas. 600 mnai investment beating up a 3200 mnai investment. How can you say they are useless? I see slingers as the main missile contingent about 1/3 of the time. Other people obviously don't consider them useless.

As far as phalanxes, maybe PP can be made a little bit more expensive? After all, unlike most infantry of that level and number, they require significant training to use their pikes and formation properly. That being said, phalanxes are not op at all. Anyone who knows how to beat them can and will. We have rules that limit them considerably anyway. Even when I play phalanx nations I am somewhat hesitant to bring them.

[Lazy O]

Phalanx is already extremely weak, why make it weaker?

[-Stormrage-]

ok Lazyo i dont know where the hell you got the idea that i wanted to make phalanx weaker. I dont see it anywhere in my post where i said make phalanx weaker. i said make slingers better at killing phalanx and heavy infantry. there is a differnece please dont twist words around.

second of all to robin :i never said phalanx is OP please give me the quote where i said phalanx is OP.

third of all to robin : I am talkign about slingers killing heavy infantry, and they cant effectively kill heavy infantry with only 60 men. i mean there are units out threr with 100 and 120 men and your giving us 60 man sligners with 1 attack value to kill them with.

[Lazy O]

You have heavy infantry to kill heavy infantry, archers,slinger,javelin throwers come under supporting arms and are not meant to win a battle on their own.

[Kival]

Yep, supporting units are not meant to kill heavy infantry on their own. Phalanx are not weak and not too strong, they are ok now with the reduced shield value. Sure they have a lot of men but I did not really have problems to win against phalanx this tourney and I'm surely not the best player here...

[-Stormrage-]

You have heavy infantry to kill heavy infantry, archers,slinger,javelin throwers come under supporting arms and are not meant to win a battle on their own.

i never said i want supporting units to kill heavies all on t heir own. i just dont want them to actually get some kills, in other words they must support. right now there support isnt very effective, why do you twist my words. again i never said i want support units to win the battle on their own, i just want them to have their important role as support units recognized by thier stats. meaning no more 60 man slingers with 1 missile attack value, when there are 120 man heavy infantry out there shredding through everything. it doesnt make sense to have 120 man heavies and all you give us to counter them are 60 man slingers. I hope you understand me now i cant keep repeating.

[vartan]

Slingers and archers right now are effective support troops storm. What I have trouble swallowing is the fact that foot skirmishers are practically useless in this 20-slot-max game.