It's a surprise mafia [Concluded]

[Romanic]

Look at this opportunist scum - He would never vote me when I was voting him, and when I turn my eyes on robbie for being wormy, and someone else (DE) votes me, boom, he also votes me and without giving a proper reason.

What's your case TLD?

[TheLastDays]

What's your case, Romanic? If I was scum, I'd come up with weak cases, push bandwagons that aren't chasing me or my friends and the like. Since I am town I will pressure and try to get reactions on which to build cases. Why should I OMGUS you when you are voting me? Why should I change my vote from someone who I think is worthy of lynching (talking about the GH situation D3) just because you voted for me?

You've been pressuring people all game and you've never been under real pressure yourself. Figured I'd change that and see how you react. You were also the only person with a vote on yourself right now so since robbie has two votes already you were the only person I was really able to pressure.

[Romanic]

What's your case, Romanic? If I was scum, I'd come up with weak cases, push bandwagons that aren't chasing me or my friends and the like. Since I am town I will pressure and try to get reactions on which to build cases. Why should I OMGUS you when you are voting me? Why should I change my vote from someone who I think is worthy of lynching (talking about the GH situation D3) just because you voted for me?

You've been pressuring people all game and you've never been under real pressure yourself. Figured I'd change that and see how you react. You were also the only person with a vote on yourself right now so since robbie has two votes already you were the only person I was really able to pressure.

Didn't your mom tell you it's impolite to answer a question with another? Even worse to answer it with three.

Pressure isn't enough to vote someone, at least not to me, you need a reason to make that vote, or else you can justify a vote on any unconfirmed Townie, for pressure only, even if that player is likely, but not certainly, Town. You must have a reason to think that I am scum, otherwise pressure alone is a poor argument and your vote look indeed more opportunistic than genuinely being looking for scum.

"What's your case, Romanic?" - Why are you asking this? I've made my case clear in the two days I've voted for you. It hasn't changed, except this new vote you're placing on me, at a moment where it pushes me in the lead, without giving a reason. Again it's opportunistic and scummy.

"If I was scum ..... " - These kind of statement are also scummy. You better have a good reason to tell people why you are not scum when you do this, yet your reason here is "If I was scum, I would do weak cases, push bandwagons". Which proves nothing, and I'm pretty sure you are aware that scum don't always act the same, and try to move away from stereotypes. If you were scum, you would try to act Town. This argument is not genuine, you don't believe this or you wouldn't be voting for me today - since unlike many others, I am making cases that aren't weak, I give details, and I don't bandwagon (well once, on CB). Yet you vote for me and it's good enough to argue that you are Town. Big contradiction here.

[TheLastDays]

I don't like to go out and show my hand openly, no matter if I'm town or Mafia. Why should I let my opponents know what I know at all the time? I sometomes vote people without telling them why I vote them, sometimes I just vote them to pressure them. Also, I'm not putting you in the lead, you're tied with robbiecon if I didn't make a mistake in counting.

As I stated, you haven't been pressured all game and I wanted to change that. I don't see why you have such a problem with that if you are town. You should by now have observed my playstyle to be just that. I won't say everything I think and I will just go ahead and apply pressure where I think it's necessary. Might differ from your playstyle but I won't change it because of that.

[Believer]

I don't like to go out and show my hand openly, no matter if I'm town or Mafia. Why should I let my opponents know what I know at all the time? I sometomes vote people without telling them why I vote them, sometimes I just vote them to pressure them.

I'd rather have a cold-minded criminal holding a gun to my face and yelling at me for my money than a mad man with a knife. One is cold and calculated, knows what he wants and knows the risks of what he's doing. The other knows nothing of the risks and will only do what he feels like for the moment. I'd give my money to the criminal any day, the mad man is just as likely to take my money as he is to kill me and mutilate my corpse. Guess who gets money most of the time?

You should by now have observed my playstyle to be just that. I won't say everything I think and I will just go ahead and apply pressure where I think it's necessary. Might differ from your playstyle but I won't change it because of that.

So your playstyle is scummy, therefore you get a free pass whenever someone calls you on it?


I'd be surprised if you were a cult leader, which is why I don't really want to have you lynched. You're much more likely a recruit from last night. But whatever, I can't even vote anymore.

[Romanic]

I don't like to go out and show my hand openly, no matter if I'm town or Mafia. Why should I let my opponents know what I know at all the time?

Because the other Town players are (or should be) trying to judge if your motivation is genuine or fake. Your goal as a townie in a mafia game is as much to prevent your team from lynching you than finding the scum.

I'm sure you're aware of this, or part of it anyway. Arguing that it's fine to vote someone without saying why, is out of place here. Congratulations for getting back my #1 suspect spot.

unvote; vote: TheLastDays

[TheLastDays]

Because the other Town players are (or should be) trying to judge if your motivation is genuine or fake. Your goal as a townie in a mafia game is as much to prevent your team from lynching you than finding the scum.

I'm sure you're aware of this, or part of it anyway. Arguing that it's fine to vote someone without saying why, is out of place here. Congratulations for getting back my #1 suspect spot.

unvote; vote: TheLastDays

Thanks, it's what I've been working on! :D

Seriously, I think the higher priority for me is to find scum and esp. get scum to make mistakes, because that's how we'll find them. My death doesn't compromise the town's win as much as not finding the scums.

Now there's not enough pressure on robbiecon though
unvote, vote: robbiecon

[Major Robert Dump]

I'm confuse

[Diamondeye]

You quote yourself and you vote for me?

Fact: Romanic beats Diamondeye at chess.
Therefore, he must die.

I'd rather have a cold-minded criminal holding a gun to my face and yelling at me for my money than a mad man with a knife. One is cold and calculated, knows what he wants and knows the risks of what he's doing. The other knows nothing of the risks and will only do what he feels like for the moment. I'd give my money to the criminal any day, the mad man is just as likely to take my money as he is to kill me and mutilate my corpse. Guess who gets money most of the time?

Someone should investigate Beliver. You know, snoop around his house. Maybe check the shed.

So your playstyle is scummy, therefore you get a free pass whenever someone calls you on it?

That would be unfair!
TLD, where do you apply for these free passes?

I'm confuse

Then, listen to Advice Dog!

Eat paint!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Abstain

Yeah yeah, sue me. Once Mafia X is over then I'll be able to concentrate on this. You try doing daily writeups for basically two months straight (counting The Campground).


Askthepizzaguy rules!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Abstain

Yeah yeah, sue me. Once Mafia X is over then I'll be able to concentrate on this. You try doing daily writeups for basically two months straight (counting The Campground).

That plus I like people to be able to vote is generally why I extend the round to 48 hours at times. Some days I have a really lousy day at work and I'll take any excuse to extend things. You just get your energy sapped after a while.

[TheLastDays]

That would be unfair!
TLD, where do you apply for these free passes?

At the reception, they're expensive though...

(counting The Campground).

Don't stir up old wounds :P

[classical_hero]

vote:robbiecon If he is here an not being active in this thread, then why not? It does not look good.

[Diamondeye]

unvote, Vote: Robbiecon

Rather him than TLD.

[Secura]

I should also add that apparently I was kidnapped and force-fed Pizza last night for some reason, although it sounds like whatever was attempted on me failed.

Outwardly, t appears that it's either a roleblock or a recruitment attempt, though the former seems unlikely since it feels a little counter-productive to roleblock an inactive player at this stage (if there even is a roleblocker), which means it was probably a recruitment attempt, the failure of which would suggest one of two things; you're either an uncorruptible townie or you're a cult leader, since we can assume they're immune to the recruitment efforts of their opposing halves.

Asking which you are is obviously an exercise in futility, but I would like to know what it was about the message you received about being force-fed pizza that made you believe that it failed to have an effect; can you shed some light on that?

vote: ArpeggiateTHIS in the meantime.

I'm confuse

How has their argument confused you, exactly? You're clearly keeping an eye on the thread, posting several times each phase, throwing out theories and pressuring people; you're playing the game better than most, so claiming any sort of confusion doesn't quite add up with your on-the-ball behaviour thus far.

[Mr. Stuka]

Back.

[Major Robert Dump]

Secura: I'm confuse at TLDs reasoning for voting Romanic follwed by a vote for Robbiecon. Remind me not to post two word responses anymore, as it makes you accuse me of being on someone's balls, which is very offensive.

[Romanic]

Thanks, it's what I've been working on! :D

Seriously, I think the higher priority for me is to find scum and esp. get scum to make mistakes, because that's how we'll find them. My death doesn't compromise the town's win as much as not finding the scums.

Now there's not enough pressure on robbiecon though
unvote, vote: robbiecon

I may start to be biased toward you in this game, but backing down like this after I treated you with all sorts of scummy accusation is even scummier. Scums like to back down when they feel danger, and I think you were worried that others would follow me, hence the backing down. I also notice that you didn't write anything about my reaction to your pressure being satisfactory to you, no - you're simply removing your accusation on me to target one of the other players who had a vote on them. Plus he's my earlier vote target, making it an even more suspicious action. Feels like you want to remove the danger really.

So you were voting to pressure me - answer me this: How is my reaction to pressure satisfactory to you, and why did robbiecon need more pressure than me, all of a sudden?

[Romanic]

unvote, Vote: Robbiecon

Rather him than TLD.

Why is robbiecon a better lynch than TLD?

What do you think of my case on TLD?

So far this round I've seen you vote twice with the following reasons:

"Vote: Romanic - because he beat me at chess"
"Vote: robbiecon - better him than TLD"

What I'm not seeing is a reason why you're voting for these two players - well, you did give reasons, but they're quite bogus if you ask me. How about developping a little? Unless you feel, like TLD, than giving reasons is not necessary? hmm?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay, I think that's enough time. Just got back from work. Let's do a tally...

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Gah, missed the deadline by two minutes!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Only 7 out of 13 voting?

Come on, I'm sure we can do better than that.

I get off work at 10-11pm tomorrow. Let's see some voting by then, or I'll check and see if there's anyone worthy of a WOG.

[Diamondeye]

Why is robbiecon a better lynch than TLD?

What do you think of my case on TLD?

So far this round I've seen you vote twice with the following reasons:

"Vote: Romanic - because he beat me at chess"
"Vote: robbiecon - better him than TLD"

What I'm not seeing is a reason why you're voting for these two players - well, you did give reasons, but they're quite bogus if you ask me. How about developping a little? Unless you feel, like TLD, than giving reasons is not necessary? hmm?

I'll expand more on this tonight when I have more time, but my impression is that TLD has been more active than Robbiecon in the thread, making him a (slightly) less useless townie (if they're innocent). His posts might seem a bit "off" but robbiecon's aren't better, yet Robbiecon seems almost "invisible". I'd feel better about having active players with us into the later stages of the game.

To be honest, I've not read your case on TLD in detail - I'll do so tonight, probably. As for my reasoning; without reveals I'm having a hard time figuring this out. For all I know I could be the only one who's still innocent; I don't mind switching "targets" since hitting scum is probably pretty likely (and I don't really think either TLD or Robbie feels cult-leader-like, but that was who the choice was between as it is now).

[Populus Romanus]

Ah man I forgot to vote. Vote: robbiecon

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Vote: TheLastDays

[Major Robert Dump]

So I take it we have been extended? I still think Robbiecon is the obvious vote.

[TheLastDays]

I may start to be biased toward you in this game, but backing down like this after I treated you with all sorts of scummy accusation is even scummier. Scums like to back down when they feel danger, and I think you were worried that others would follow me, hence the backing down. I also notice that you didn't write anything about my reaction to your pressure being satisfactory to you, no - you're simply removing your accusation on me to target one of the other players who had a vote on them. Plus he's my earlier vote target, making it an even more suspicious action. Feels like you want to remove the danger really.

So you were voting to pressure me - answer me this: How is my reaction to pressure satisfactory to you, and why did robbiecon need more pressure than me, all of a sudden?

The way you reacted to my vote. You did not flinch, you didn't just shrug it off and ignore it, you stuck to your case on me and generally I don't feel you're scum. There, now I told the Mafia who probably isn't good lynchbait and that's exactly the things I'm trying to avoid.

I changed to robbiecon because I think he always needed more pressure than you but he already had two votes on him so I figured I'd pressure you a bit because my vote on him wasn't needed at that point. Now you've changed your vote and were actually in the lead so I changed to robbiecon, because he is active on the board, he doesn't post in here and if he keeps this up and doesn't reply he is, imo, a good lynch.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Outwardly, t appears that it's either a roleblock or a recruitment attempt, though the former seems unlikely since it feels a little counter-productive to roleblock an inactive player at this stage (if there even is a roleblocker), which means it was probably a recruitment attempt, the failure of which would suggest one of two things; you're either an uncorruptible townie or you're a cult leader, since we can assume they're immune to the recruitment efforts of their opposing halves.

Asking which you are is obviously an exercise in futility, but I would like to know what it was about the message you received about being force-fed pizza that made you believe that it failed to have an effect; can you shed some light on that?

vote: ArpeggiateTHIS in the meantime.

I'm not sure how I can elaborate upon what happened without effectively just re-wording the PM, but I'll try and provide further clarification:

I got kidnapped and force fed pizza, and I'm still on the pizza side.

All I can draw from this is that somebody tried to de-convert me from a cult, but I wasn't part of a cult anyway so it had no effect. TL;DR: I'm vanilla, and always was. Make of that what you will.

I'm going to Vote: abstain until I get a better chance to make a case on somebody.

[robbiecon]

I have been unable to post on the site since the update in the site. At the moment I'm posting from my iPod, but my weekday residence has no wireless.

So it's not that I don't want to post, it's just the new site plus chrome = not able to post or PM.

[Major Robert Dump]

But how are you able to run an effective cult without the internetz? Who is your second in command?