Crusader Kings [Concluded]

**Kagemusha** · 07-12-2011, 21:43

Originally Posted by Beskar

I am surprised you dismissed the Holy man though, Kage. I was certain you might have fallen for the ploy, in order to "better your relations" with the Bishop, since you was out of favour and that was packaged as a blessing.

Either that, or I was actually suspecting you might have walked into it intentionally if you knew about it, just to annoy the bishop!

Well at that point i was trying to get into a better standing with the bishop, but in matter of fact it was my capable vassals that pointed it to me, that such heresy might be bad for us.Its a shame that the game ended as i think we had a great team together at Connaught.

**autolycus** · 07-12-2011, 21:49

Yeah, well I remembered that unauthorized translations were heretical, so I advised him to send the man away.

**Beskar** · 07-12-2011, 22:13

After reading the Munster topic. I will explain the event.

The options are as follows.

Extreme measure
Opposing measure
Light measure
Lazy measure
"Good" measure
Skeptical measure
Light measure
Opposing measure
Extreme measure

As such, "Let's settle this matter once and for all." meant sending in your armed guards to cut the pagans down. Idea being, if you did such a measure, it would cause a Pagan revolt and revolts are very bad in Crusader Kings. On the other end, it could cause a peasant revolt which would be even more deadly.

In short, I was just causing general chaos.

I did have a plan which I was going to try to install myself as Duke of Meath, but that didn't end up in fruition due to the game ending. Doh!

**seireikhaan** · 07-13-2011, 00:48

Thanks for hosting, JHT. I'd also like to thank my vassals for their efforts, especially Beskar.

**Diamondeye** · 07-13-2011, 16:03

My first reaction to one of my vassals being caught with a peasant girl was "someone orchestrated this!", but questioning Jolt yielded no verification as he had no idea (I asked him whether he was behind it or acting as an agent of someone else, but obviously he thought it was just a random event.). Also a bit sad that my team was so inactive at the end, seeing how much a little creativity and spending could have done for us...!

**Beskar** · 07-13-2011, 16:48

Originally Posted by Diamondeye

My first reaction to one of my vassals being caught with a peasant girl was "someone orchestrated this!", but questioning Jolt yielded no verification as he had no idea (I asked him whether he was behind it or acting as an agent of someone else, but obviously he thought it was just a random event.). Also a bit sad that my team was so inactive at the end, seeing how much a little creativity and spending could have done for us...!

A Dane had 4 choices, only 1 resulted in him actually having negative consequences and that is only if Jolt investigated the matter!

As for Gold, you have to remember that an entire county only brought in around 12-15 gold. 1 gold to a common person is a lot of money!

**Jolt** · 07-18-2011, 18:54

I did end up investigating the matter. Then I proceeded to extort moneyz from DiamondEye.

Anyways, my main plan was basically to intervene as a mediator and play Dukes against each other for the benefit of the Church. As I expected, I made a play of saying that I was to mediate the lands to transition from one Duke to the other, but what I really wanted was to nudge along the idea that the lands, being central to the island, would fall better under the domain of a neutral organization like the Church. It worked good as in two turns the Church went from 0 lands to 2. I was already making plans on who to award the hand of the princess. My main two candidates either a Count of Connaught or TCV. (I wasn't thinking of giving it away to a Duke, as I wanted to plant the seeds of dissention further into the future by playing Duke against courtier thanks to the princess. It would remain my wild card.). I also thought of giving out to Ulster itself, but I realized that me, as an Ulster vassal gaining the land and then granting the hand to another Ulster vassal would have been too much.
Then the whole invasion thingie got in the way.

From what I read from Connaught QT, you were making too much conjecture in regards to my role that far. I wasn't making deals with anyone besides being dealing with Mide in a "fair" way.

As I had explained, I supposed that (based on CK) since the Lords agreed that the lands should go to the Church, it would revert automatically to the Church. In case there was to be war, as I had explained to DiamondEye, I was still the nominal vassal of khaan, and he was my most sturdy supporter, as I knew that giving me the initial lands costed him. So any war against him or me this early would have resulted in immediate excomunication of either the leader or the entire Duchy.

That was what I was going to threaten Connaught with (So long as they had in fact actively resisted Eclesiastical forces) if they didn't immediately retreat from Mide and hand over the bride to the Church so that all Lords could decide a fitting husband (And phreaps make another contribution, but I was still thinking on the subject). Marrying her outright would have been a terrible mistake for Connaught. I would have piled the pressure on Connaught (especially on Kagemusha since he would be her suitor.) and probably the other duchies would be all to eager to drive into Connaught with the Church's blessing.

**Kagemusha** · 07-18-2011, 21:13

But then we did not do as you expected. ;)

**Diamondeye** · 07-18-2011, 21:56

It would be an idea if the title of this was edited to reflect that it is, in fact, over.

**Jolt** · 07-18-2011, 23:42

Originally Posted by Kagemusha

But then we did not do as you expected. ;)

I knew from the get go that it was needed to send an army regardless of consensus in that the lands would go to the Church, I would have obviously sent it in the appropriate turn, which would meant that no invasion by your duchy would have taken place.