Midgardsaga III [Concluded]

[thefluffyone93]

although I am an old fart when it comes to music, that video of yours fluffy really shook my house with awesome woofer blasts.

[TinCow]

Risk style rules. Defender gets an advantage and will win on matching dice. 3 dice in each match

How exactly do our Holmgang scores factor into this?

[Reenk Roink]

All these challenges being thrown around for no legitimate reason other than flexing of E-Peen is quite silly and will only assist the bad guys

This comment will probably result in myself being challenged.

get owned

Vote: Renata

[B-Wing]

I don't understand the duel system at all. Is any input required from the players involved, or is it entirely random? Also, is it Day 2 yet?

[autolycus]

How exactly do our Holmgang scores factor into this?

If I had to guess, I'd say it's the number of "troops" your risk army is made up of. That seems to be consistent with the decrease in dice rolled by Major Robert Dump directly before his death. Which begs the question, is vote:classical_hero just a strong man of Holmgang score 8, or is he something more preternaturally powerful?

[Tratorix]

Vote: Classical Hero for now. 7-8 is a pretty huge Holmgang score, what do you have to say for yourself tough guy?

[TinCow]

If I had to guess, I'd say it's the number of "troops" your risk army is made up of. That seems to be consistent with the decrease in dice rolled by Major Robert Dump directly before his death. Which begs the question, is vote:classical_hero just a strong man of Holmgang score 8, or is he something more preternaturally powerful?

Hmm... that does seem reasonable. It would mean that classical had a score of at least 8 (lost 5, but was still rolling 3 at the end), while MRD had a score of 4.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Khazaar

Classical did the challenging, yes? It would be kind of foolish for a Jotun to reveal himself in such a way.

[woad&fangs]

vote: General Hankerchief
That is exactly what a Jotun would say to help out his buddy.

[TinCow]

Vote: Mr. Stuka

I still want an explanation for why you were so eager to proclaim your role.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Were I not, you know, dead, I would have agreed with Tincow on the vote. Such actions, so early, seem a little too "eager." Pressure might be useful here.

Reenk:

Sad for me too. Our holmgang was a fun one -- especially as I didn't have to walk across my own bridge at the close of it. This time, though, I wouldn't have claimed to be quite as powerful....

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I had to guess, I'd say it's the number of "troops" your risk army is made up of. That seems to be consistent with the decrease in dice rolled by Major Robert Dump directly before his death. Which begs the question, is vote:classical_hero just a strong man of Holmgang score 8, or is he something more preternaturally powerful?

Vote: autolycus

*sniff sniff*

You smell wrong. Like you've been bathing or something.

[Believer]

Vote: Classical Hero for now. 7-8 is a pretty huge Holmgang score, what do you have to say for yourself tough guy?

Vote: Tratorix

So a powerful character equals scum? I'd say you're attacking the easy target here.

[Major Robert Dump]

Wow. I won the dice rolls and still lost. Peachy.

Juvenile antics.

Rez please.

[Tratorix]

Vote: Tratorix

So a powerful character equals scum? I'd say you're attacking the easy target here.

I say I'm prodding someone to see what happens. We know the Jotun are going to have good Holmgang scores, so expect this to happen to everyone who wins a duel.

[Romanic]

Hey, this is my first post in the game. Shame on me for missing the first day. Not enough time on my hand.

Oh well, this looks like another game with no death reveal. What's up with this plague rule, these days?

Anyway, I'll jump in the current discussion:

I say I'm prodding someone to see what happens. We know the Jotun are going to have good Holmgang scores, so expect this to happen to everyone who wins a duel.

I disagree with this - I am expecting some Jotun to have low Holmgang, otherwise the feature would be too advantageous to them, and since challenges are always popular, it would be unbalancing for Sigurd to give high scores to all the Jotun.

[Romanic]

Midgardsaga II had three Jotuns, three Aesirs (Thor, Odin, Loki) and three Christians. Other players were nords, from various countries. I think this setup will be similar since we've at least seen "War Veterans" in the writeups, and the previous games also had these roles.

Here's a link to the previous setup.

Also, I'm not sure what the Aesirs were, though they are obviously Gods, maybe power roles. Odin and Thor are typically good, and Loki is evil. I'll have to read more on the previous game tomorrow, gotta hit the sack now, but go ahead and check it yourself. It can't be bad to have an idea what to expect.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think Sigurd mentioned somewhere that the setup was significantly different. Just a heads-up.

[Diamondeye]

Hey, this is my first post in the game. Shame on me for missing the first day. Not enough time on my hand.

Oh well, this looks like another game with no death reveal. What's up with this plague rule, these days?

Yeah, it doesn't even look like we'll know is who in the writeup. That is hugely confusing.
Also, 4 kills the first night and only 2 now? How can this be?

As for the Holmgang result, it sounds to me from the writeup like Classical could be a War Veteran, which might explain his profeciency... Still, 8 is high, even then. MRD sounded like a youngster, he might have had an okay score (his weapons were of good quality)... Also, it seemed like it was really close, with all the wounds Classical took.

While I agree with Romanic that we should not automatically assume a high Holmgang score for all Jotun, I think I'm going to put the pressure on Vote:Classical_Hero for now.

[Romanic]

From the OP:

This game will still be similar and will have many of the features of the previous games;
Since this is an anniversary, I will not do too many changes from the previous game.
Consider this a Midgard retro game based heavily on the previous two games.

So it may be a good idea to refer to the previous games, for insights.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay, perhaps I misread that.

[Romanic]

While I agree with Romanic that we should not automatically assume a high Holmgang score for all Jotun, I think I'm going to put the pressure on Vote:Classical_Hero for now.

I made that comment before reading the previous game, but now I am not so sure. The three Jotuns all had a 100/10 Holmgang value, whatever 100 means, but if they all had 10, then indeed a high Holmgang value could mean one is Jotun.

Then perhaps the Holmgang should be seen as a tool to find the Jotun, rather than one to kill them.

[Diamondeye]

I made that comment before reading the previous game, but now I am not so sure. The three Jotuns all had a 100/10 Holmgang value, whatever 100 means, but if they all had 10, then indeed a high Holmgang value could mean one is Jotun.

Then perhaps the Holmgang should be seen as a tool to find the Jotun, rather than one to kill them.

Yes, perhaps that's the best way. However, we can't count on just anyone to be able to keep the fight going long enough to be sure the opponent is actually a Jotun and not simply a champion or a war veteran or some other strong townie.

I didn't read the last game - what was the Homgang ability of the Aesir? If they're also powerful this might be a bad idea.

[Romanic]

Ah so I read this, from the previous game:

Holmgang ability: 100 against humans (guarantied win). 10 against other gods.

Jotun had a guaranteed win against humans, so the challenges are indeed just a tool to find our enemies.

[Diamondeye]

Ah so I read this, from the previous game:

Jotun had a guaranteed win against humans, so the challenges are indeed just a tool to find our enemies.

What about the Gods, then? Might we risk bumping into those too? Will we be able to tell them apart? I can't imagine someone like Thor losing to a human...

[Romanic]

What about the Gods, then? Might we risk bumping into those too? Will we be able to tell them apart? I can't imagine someone like Thor losing to a human...

Apparently the Gods also have a guaranteed win against humans, as they have similar Holmgang values than Jotuns. Specifically:

Thor: 100/12
Odin: 100/10
Loki: 100/8

So indeed, we probably won't be able to differentiate a Jotun and a god. Meh.

Considering this, perhaps we shouldn't be challenging at all? We risk revealing the power roles (gods) as much as the Jotuns. I wonder if the Holmgang writeup will show an ability score of 100 if a Jotun/God is challenged by a human, or if it is disguised in some way.

[autolycus]

Well, if someone has a score of 100, then short of a "Miracle on dice", they'd just keep rolling three dice until the other guy died.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I rather think that Sigurd will not be posting 100 times in a row to do the dice results. Somehow I think he might have foreseen this (being a dark lord of the sith and all). I am willing to wager that, unlike my previous unread comment, things might in fact be different this time in some way.

That said, I eagerly await the dreaded centuple post.

[autolycus]

Well, unless the other guy got reaaally lucky, there wouldn't be anywhere near that many rolls. GH, in future Holmgangs, the question of whether a Jotun would reveal himself or herself like that may be valid, but I don't think anyone was expecting the Holmgang process to be quite so public.

[Sigurd]

I will use a new feature to determine the outcome of these fights. This time around they will be quite public.
In risk style the attacker is at disadvantage since matching dice will favour the defender.
In-game dice that can only be used once in a post and not edited after submitted, will be used in this game.

Holmgang as a tool will need to tested out and see how this can affect the town effort.

FYI...