Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfylwyr View Post
No what you are saying doesn't make sense. I don't see how you can brush it off and just say "well the Trinity doesn't make sense either". What scriptures do you base your beliefs on?

It says that God would like everyone to come to him and be saved. The problem is that nobody would.

If you are going to ask why only some were saved, I think it would be better for you to ask yourself why any are saved.

When you do that, you will learn to see things from a God-centred and not man-centred perspective.
You are not answering my question.
It makes no sense that God, who wants everyone to be saved, would not elect everyone to be saved. If there is no free will involved, that God could overrule but chooses not to overrule then what you are saying hints that something else is hindering God from electing/saving everyone and that's nonsense.

As I said, I don't understand the way it works completely but both concepts on their own (predestination and free will) don't work, scritpurally. Since there are scriptures supporting both I can only assume that both principles are at work somehow. The trinity is never mentioned directly in the Bible either. We base it on the faith, that we have one God yet we believe in the father, the son and the holy spirit. We have scriptures that are supporting the deity of a father, Christ and the holy spirit seperately and we have some vague scriptures mentioning some aspects of them together but in the end the trinity is not mentioned in a scripture specifically. Yet we believe it nonetheless, I do too. But from our logical point of view it makes no sense.