Freedom v Bansturbators

[Husar]

Well, it can if you toach it then don't wash your hands, and its at ground level. So it's a child hazard.

Smoking is a child hazard as well, especially during pregnancy it seems.

Smoking is more unpleasent than anything else, but people smoking on the street is only slightly less oppressive than people smoking in pubs - we banned that and banning pavement smoking seems like a next step that will happen, regardless of the rights and wrongs.

Well, outside it's not pleasant, but somewhat bearable. I'm not supportive of a complete ban, some people think they need it to keep their calm, so, give them their expensive hobby.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Being offended and wanting to micro-manage everyone else's lives seems to be a lifestyle for some. Don't tread on me.

[Vladimir]

Private bars should decide wether or not they should allow smoking

We have bigger problems than ending the night with a fag

You don't. That's how you try to end every Friday night.

[Kralizec]

But does it harm anyone? People have allergies because they're too hygienic so it may actually be good for them.

Oh, please. Tell me one thing: what would you like less, a guy puffing a wiff of smoke into your face or a guy urinating against your legs? What about 5 wiffs of smoke, and 1 time of urinating against your leggs?

Private bars should decide wether or not they should allow smoking

We have bigger problems than ending the night with a fag

Indeed, that's what it should be like.

Over here smoking in bars has been banned under the pretext of protecting employees. The catch is that bars have been exempt for years from the employment space ban; and everyone who works there now doesn't care about it. In fact, from what I've seen the vast majority of people who work in such places are smokers themselves.

So it's pretty common that after a certain hour, when they're fairly sure that there will be no inspections, everybody lights up a cigarette. Including the bar employees.

[Husar]

Oh, please. Tell me one thing: what would you like less, a guy puffing a wiff of smoke into your face or a guy urinating against your legs? What about 5 wiffs of smoke, and 1 time of urinating against your leggs?

I find urinating against a leg is more comparable to pushing a lit cigarette against skin or clothes, a puff of smoke is more comparable with the smell of urinating somewhere close.
And apparently it's not about what I like but about what others are free to do and what not. Urinating against me or pushing a cigarette against me both affect me directly and do physical or financial harm to me, both are not allowed.

I agree that a private business should be free to decide, but in public places that are shared and relatively tight etc. like subway stations, town halls etc. it's perfectly fine not to allow it.
Sidewalks I'm not sure, it does seem a bit over the top but if it's a crowded area where I can't avoid the smoke I'd probably feel the need to urinate on the smoker's leg, it's not my fault, the smoke does that to me.

[InsaneApache]

Is there a collective conspiracy about missing the point?

Jeez talk about 'groupthink'

[a completely inoffensive name]

All I know is that when the government does something I don't agree with it is tyranny.

[Strike For The South]

All I know is that when the government does something I don't agree with it is tyranny.

LOLZ

Motorcycle helmets and smoking are the first steps toward facism

But the unyeilding yoke that is corpratism turns out to be Con-Sti-Tution-Al

At this point, I'm just here for the ride