Some ransom

[Trapped in Samsara]

Hi

I always ransom my troops back if I have the florins. I consider it a matter of honour; sort of the MTW military covenant.

Plus, I think the AI always will if it can afford to.

Best regards
Victor

Sapere aude
Horace

[Prince Cobra]

Hi

I always ransom my troops back if I have the florins. I consider it a matter of honour; sort of the MTW military covenant.

Plus, I think the AI always will if it can afford to.

Best regards
Victor

Sapere aude
Horace

I agree with Victor. As a ruler, you are a father of your people and you are responsible for then. I must be with little cash or have suffered a very humiliating defeat in order to refuse ransom. Have in mind that my favourite faction are the Byz and I love playing in High Late, which means that I often play wars of attrition where my warriors die like flies but bring as many elite units of the enemy with them to the grave. I consider ransoming them back as a small gesture to their loyalty. And yes, Captured line virtues do a good work.

P.S. Stazi, cpatured generals usually do not get "Good runner" but "Captured". They do lose a star but add +3 morale to the troops, which could be useful.

[Gilrandir]

As a ruler, you are a father of your people and you are responsible for then.

What about your people's readiness (and sworn loyalty) to stand or fall by their king? If your army routed leaving their king and father in the hands of the enemy they don't deserve ransoming back. I ransom the captured back only if they had performed deeds of valor against the enemy that was much stronger. In this case the returned troops are given the place of honor and garrison the capital where they can bask in the grace of the king.
And, what do you do with the ransomed troops? If you disband them then it is a sheer waste of money.
But another connected question: when you capture the enemy's king you are sometimes paid the ransom, and other times you are refused. Can you be sure that you will get your money or is it a random choice of the AI?

[Trapped in Samsara]

Hi

I believe the AI will always ransom (and offer captured troops for ransom) if it has the florins. For the player not to do the same might be considered by some old school MTW players as an 'exploit'.

Regards
Victor

Sapere aude
Horace

[Prince Cobra]

What about your people's readiness (and sworn loyalty) to stand or fall by their king? If your army routed leaving their king and father in the hands of the enemy they don't deserve ransoming back. I ransom the captured back only if they had performed deeds of valor against the enemy that was much stronger. In this case the returned troops are given the place of honor and garrison the capital where they can bask in the grace of the king.
And, what do you do with the ransomed troops? If you disband them then it is a sheer waste of money.
But another connected question: when you capture the enemy's king you are sometimes paid the ransom, and other times you are refused. Can you be sure that you will get your money or is it a random choice of the AI?

Unless it is quite early in the game, the place of the Byzantine Emperor (with at least 1 heir in his stack) is not on the batlefield. My Emperors are actually administrators, stewards and sometimes a bit crack brained or lazy but are not really keen on leading the Imperial armies from the front. If I have spare heirs, I send them as generals. (you can see the idea to prevent a sudden ending of the dynasty here).

Usually my Emperors are very harsh towards their generals. It's most unforgivable to run from the batlefield, and the good runner/doubtful courage reputation destroyed the career of not one or two six star generals. If the general was truly great (which usually mean he defeated one or two armies of the mongols in High) the he might become governor of one of the Mediterranean islands and even command their conquests. If they are captured, this usually means ability to take the responsibilities of their mistakes and are ransomed back with the rest of the army. If they die ("Your general has fallen before the enemy onslaught"), their family receives honours for the loyal service of their member. If the general retreats in good order (withdraw buttons) he almost always receives a second chance. As for the people, if the defeat is truly humiliating, I sometimes deny ransom. But usually, I think they have done their best and deserve to be ransomed back. Then I retrain them to a full size units, which usually takes years with all the units. If I ransom back some mercenaries, nothing can be done and they are almost immediately sent back to the battlefield unless the units is too small (and ransomed back because of other units)

If you ever play with the Byzantines in High starting campaign with limited Varangians guard (say no more than 1-2 units per stack) or in Late, you will clash with a low morale and outdated army. Every battle against a Catholic opponent is a challenge. The key to crush a Catholic is to have more resources and more provinces to rebuild your army, even if you face a defeat. Victories are also often expensive, so more provinces are not a bad thing.

[Gilrandir]

I agree on the place of the monarch. It should not be on the battlefield unless it is the outset of the game or your monarch has at least one heir and has a lot of stars to enable him to successfully lead an army. But everything said in my post about the king applies to the general as well. The army should stay in battle defending the general as long as possible, then it may deserve a ransom after defeat.

[Madden]

Sometimes I get a crusading army caught across the map..when another faction takes my target province. Then I have to pay the ransom. Although sometimes it doesn't even let me have the option.

[drone]

Welcome to the Org, Madden!

I believe the AI will always ransom (and offer captured troops for ransom) if it has the florins. For the player not to do the same might be considered by some old school MTW players as an 'exploit'.

This is true, but maybe they cancel each other out? I try to butcher prisoners as often as I can!