Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[Arjos]

I don't understand why people are voting God Emperor.

You answered yourself...

He was attacked on N1.

What are the odds that he's some sort of medic and on the very first night he saved himself from a mafia kill, which happened to select him?
God Emperor is very fishy imo, also because he retaliated vote the person who voted him, he's still my choice, but I can't overlook TLD's behaviour...

Now your weak reasoning as to why everyone's voting him, might be an hint of an Andres-God Emperor maneuver...

[TheLastDays]

You answered yourself...



What are the odds that he's some sort of medic and on the very first night he saved himself from a mafia kill, which happened to select him?
God Emperor is very fishy imo, also because he retaliated vote the person who voted him, he's still my choice, but I can't overlook TLD's behaviour...

Now your weak reasoning as to why everyone's voting him, might be an hint of an Andres-God Emperor maneuver...

You can as well stop trying to blame as many people as possible.
What exactly in my behaviour can you not overlook? I want a clear answer as to which of my moves were showing that I was obviously Mafia, more worthy of the lynch than GodEmperor of whom you are so sure as well.

I'll have a post up a bit later explaining in more detail why I think GodEmperor is town but for now, people, take a look at Arjos' posts.
If anyone is deserving a lynch on a Day 1 it's him.

[Arjos]

TLD I never thought of you as mafia, imo you are a town fooled by God Emperor...
I had to vote you because you vote out of sympathies and antipathies, which won't help town, and as I said you went for the easiest prey in the process: this can't be good for town...

[Diamondeye]

Vote: God Emperor

Simply because his attacker was too badass to fail :D

Is this the case of "I don't know him but he sure sounds sexy"? I think it is.
unvote; vote: Arjos

I'm having fun

I just come straight from Midgard III where we went ahead and started to lynch important roles from the beginning. Basically lynching someone on Day 1, where there are no meaningful cases, who has shown that he resists nightkills is, imo, a mistake. No, GE doesn't get a free pass as townie as it could well be the ability of one of the Mafia or some third party scum but it could potentially be a big mistake to lynch him and it would be one that we could have avoided.

This. It's obvious that God Emperor has some sort of power-role. We should at least give him the time to explain himself. Which means he needs to explain himself - GE!

Vote: God Emperor because we need more bandwagonz.

That's the worst OMGUS I've seen in a while.

If I may

I don't recall TheLastDays' usual style in this game.. But so far it hasn't exactly been scummy.. at least in my eyes (yes I know he tries not to have me lynched , bla bla bla) . What I mean is that his style, so far, has given him a few votes, because he is eager and .. Well I am not sure there is anything more. I would just expect, that if he had scum budies, then they would by now, have told him to tone it down a bit, and that does not really seem to be the case. In other words, I would say his behavior atm should move him a little further away from a lynch and not closer

I agree: TLD doesn't strike me as scummy, the contrary in fact.

God Emperor can come role claim to me. I need some WIFOM in my life.

But you might choke on it! That's hazardous!

[Arjos]

Is this the case of "I don't know him but he sure sounds sexy"? I think it is.

Even if he might be someone who's trying to kill us, I can't help it, I liked how 'khaan wrote his character...

Anyway seems like my co-citizens vote only out of personal likings...
Silly to lynch me for openly reason about who could profit the most from God Emperor's accident...

I shall die and haunt the fools XD
If I survive the day and get killed the following night, easily means that those I accused are mafia (God Emperor and maybe Andres), that's our only weapon as townfolks...

[Believer]

Unvote; Renata
Vote: Arjos

How scummy can one get without being lynched? You're pushing the limits bro.

[TheLastDays]

TLD I never thought of you as mafia, imo you are a town fooled by God Emperor...
I had to vote you because you vote out of sympathies and antipathies, which won't help town, and as I said you went for the easiest prey in the process: this can't be good for town...

I have no sympathies for GodEmperor (no offense GE ^^) because I don't know him. I've had no contact with him before this game.
My actions and my leaning towards giving GE the benefit of the doubt come only from what happened ingame so let's take a close look:

God Emperor was wandering the streets. He didn't much like the idea of having to live in some new place. Either way, sleep was unlikely. Besides, it was a clear, warm night. So much nicer than it was in the daytime. He turned around the corner to a new street, and saw what seemed to be an enormous human male in the middle of the street. It seemed to have been walking down, holding in one hand an axe of astronomical proportions. The haft had to be eight feet long, the double-edged head perhaps four feet. The man's eyes lit up upon seeing God Emperor. With his off hand, the man pointed. “God or Demon, I care not. You have brought ruin to me and my people! NOW YOU DIE!” God Emperor scoffed a bit. This mortal thinks he can kill me? The man moved at God Emperor, running at an incredible pace, and wildly swung the axe. God Emperor instinctively ducked the blow, the axe going just over his head and plowing into the house next to him. The axe ripped apart the brick and mortar as though it were papyrus. God Emperor's eyes went wide. Perhaps it would be wisest to play this safe. He took off at a run as the man swung his axe downwards, missing again and creating a gash in the street. The man howled, and went round the corner of the house. God Emperor was already in the distance, and wheeled down a dark ally. The man roared in frustration, and smashed his axe once more into the street before stalking off.

1. He didn't much like the idea of having to live in some new place. Either way, sleep was unlikely. This hints at one of the usual residents of Babylon who now have to take up living in a new house because Angra Mainyu has quarantined everyone in the surrounding area of his palace or one of the Gods/Demons who have betrayed the heavens/netherworld to join Mainyu. Yes, this might as well hint at Mafia who recently arrived but firstly I don't think it would be worded as 'living in some new place' and secondly I don't think 'khaan would give the Mafia away like that.
2. The whole killing attempt makes me think it was done by a third party killer. The guy with the axe doesn't strike me as being a vigilante but rather a third party killer who's after anyone. He was resisted by GodEmperor. So far so good.

Now what else do we have other than the writeup?

tsk tsk.. aiming attacks at me

now that it is day, I can actually vote.. . . Vote: Beskar

If I may

I don't recall TheLastDays' usual style in this game.. But so far it hasn't exactly been scummy.. at least in my eyes (yes I know he tries not to have me lynched , bla bla bla) . What I mean is that his style, so far, has given him a few votes, because he is eager and .. Well I am not sure there is anything more. I would just expect, that if he had scum budies, then they would by now, have told him to tone it down a bit, and that does not really seem to be the case. In other words, I would say his behavior atm should move him a little further away from a lynch and not closer

What exactly strikes you as scummy here? Nothing? Thought so.

So your whole case is built on the fact that he was attacked N1 and survived? So yeah, he's obviously some kind of power role. There were tons of pro town power roles in both Netherworld 1 + 2. That's not enough conclusive evidence for the lynch of a power role.

So who is voting for him?
Khazaar on the wrong assumption that Gods and Demons would only be found among the Mafia.
Yaropolk with no real reason at all.
Earthling with strange reasoning. There's no indication whatsoever that all townies are humans and there is nothing to follow up on with GE, other than that he survived a night attack.
Beskar with a pure OMGUS vote.

There's simply not enough evidence against GE for a lynch right now. A lynch that will take out a power role that might be town. He might be scum, yes, but that will be determined. We simply need more information before we lynch a known power role. I would also propose to any doctors out there to protect GE tonight. He might not be as lucky next time.

Now where's your vote? Shouldn't it be on your prime suspect? No, it's on me who is, according to you, probably town jut because I am trying to avoid the lynch of a power role on the basis of nothing.
I don't vote out of personal likings, I don't like GE any better than you but he didn't behave scummy at all. You did.

[Zack]

Holy ellipses!

Unvote, Vote: Arjos

[Yaropolk]

There I fixed it for you

So who is voting for him?
Khazaar on the wrong assumption that Gods and Demons would only be found among the Mafia.
Yaropolk with no real reason at all to put pressure on GE and because he defends you instead of himself.
Earthling with strange reasoning. There's no a strong indication in the PM whatsoever that all townies are humans and there is nothing to follow up on with GE , other than that he survived a night attack and refuses to provide any info.
Beskar with a pure OMGUS vote following the logic in other posts.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't want to have to read all that.

Vote: Somebody

[Tratorix]

This case against God Emperor is terrible. The case against Arjos is only slightly less terrible, but good enough for day 1. Also, anyone who reads god or demon in the write ups shouldn't be surprised as:

Then, in a single day, Angra Mainyu unveiled his plan. In a single day, Gods and Demons alike turned on the Heavens and Netherworld and joined him, and he took the city of Babylon and all its empire, in just one day.

this is in the intro. God or Demon does not necessarily mean mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Everyone vote for woad&fangs. There's a perfectly acceptable AND appropriate case on woad for day one: He's got fangs.

I saw him eating a spicy denizen of the Netherworld-ball.

You people and your "cases".

[TheLastDays]

Yaropolk, quoted for you from the OP:

While the Gods and Demons were fighting, they awakened an ancient, powerful foe, Angra Mainyu. Mainyu had been in wait for thousands of years after being banished. He took the land between earth and the Netherworld. The Gods and Demons continued their battle anyways, thinking he wasn't important. Then, in a single day, Angra Mainyu unveiled his plan. In a single day, Gods and Demons alike turned on the Heavens and Netherworld and joined him, and he took the city of Babylon and all its empire, in just one day.

Emphasis by me.

So yes, Khazaars assumption that Gods and Demons will only be found among the Mafia is wrong.

We aren't allowed to quote 'khaans PMs but the mass PM to everyone indicates in no way that all townies are humans. Period.

Leaves yours and Beskar's vote.
You say your's was a pressure vote. Fair enough.

Beskar did not follow the logic of the others because there is no logic to follow. He voted GE because it was easy and GE voted him. It is something that will need further analysis down the road should Beskar be around later.

Now I'm fine with pressuring people to provide information but let's for a moment assume that GE is a town power role. What do you want him to reveal now, to all of us, to the Mafia as well? What exactly could he say that would satisfy our need to know? Nothing. We need more info. I want another kill attempt by the guy that attacked him to analyse that character more. I want another night to see what happens. Again: GE is by no means a confirmed townie but lynching him D1 because he's some kind of power role is not a good idea. We need more evidence.

[God Emperor]

Bah.. Just lost my pm due to a disconnected internet :/ .. anyway I will try to write it again...

I was asked why I spent time to defend TLD and not myself: It appeared to me that he was becoming a very popular choice for a lynch and I was not to pleased with that. I did not defend myself because I am really not certain how much I wish to reveal at this stage. I need to think things a bit over.
This however created a good deal of activity, and that is nice to see.. It is however not nice to see how Arjos, is not placing his vote where his mouth is. I would not mind at all if he was lynched.. In fact I will give a hand :P
Unvote; Vote: Arjos

I have recieved some pms and a messenger message, or so, and that is all very good, but I feel that it is a good idea to direct one of these pm talks to the public.. At least it is worth knowing that Ironside is quiet active off thread, judging by his pms, but that he is not showed up in thread at all (haven't cast a vote yet, as far as I can see). I can make the pm conversation public if that is desired by anyone..

Now for myself, I am sorry I am not still going to reveal much.. Well because I need to think it over a bit more, and I hope that can be accepted :) it's a bit difficult to decide what is good to reveal and what is not, but it will come. You can of course go forward to presure me into revealing all, but I would prefer that did not happen ^^

[Ironside]

I have recieved some pms and a messenger message, or so, and that is all very good, but I feel that it is a good idea to direct one of these pm talks to the public.. At least it is worth knowing that Ironside is quiet active off thread, judging by his pms, but that he is not showed up in thread at all (haven't cast a vote yet, as far as I can see). I can make the pm conversation public if that is desired by anyone..

Now for myself, I am sorry I am not still going to reveal much.. Well because I need to think it over a bit more, and I hope that can be accepted :) it's a bit difficult to decide what is good to reveal and what is not, but it will come. You can of course go forward to presure me into revealing all, but I would prefer that did not happen ^^

Well I didn't want to vote before deciding if it should be on you or not. My other significant day 1 contribution would otherwise be a simple random vote, you know very important stuff (that actually did kill me in the revengening).

Do you usually out pm conversations (and I won't mind you displaying those) or did you find a not yet posting semi-lurker unusually suspect?

[TinCow]

Now for myself, I am sorry I am not still going to reveal much.. Well because I need to think it over a bit more, and I hope that can be accepted :) it's a bit difficult to decide what is good to reveal and what is not, but it will come. You can of course go forward to presure me into revealing all, but I would prefer that did not happen ^^

Hmmm... this comment seems oddly familiar for some reason I can't quite put my finger on.

You all deserve to lose if you do not lynch GE after a scumtastic comment like this.

[Arjos]

...might be an hint of an Andres-God Emperor maneuver...

Not to brag or anything, but by the story Andres was the axe guy right? :P

[TheLastDays]

Not to brag or anything, but by the story Andres was the axe guy right? :P

I don't think so. With the guy this turn there was no mention that he was insanely huge or the huge size of his axe. He had it at his belt. Also the axe guy we've seen so far has never used bows and arrows. I think Andres was a doctor who got taken out by a mechanic similar to Herakles vs. doctors in Netherworld 1.

[Arjos]

Could be too, I'm loving the story ^^
But maybe the limited description is to not give away the axe guy's death, we'll see if he shows up again :)

[Double A]

Could be too, I'm loving the story ^^
But maybe the limited description is to not give away the axe guy's death, we'll see if he shows up again :)

I hope so, otherwise it would implicate Axe Guy having a second ability, which doesn't make me feel very comfortable. Unless he just forgot to send in orders... but since Murphy's Law is almost always invoked in mafia games, I'd say it's a second ability.

And in related news, I'm considering changing my user title to Captain Obvious.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Double A

I'm sorry Andres died to protect me, he obviously had a role and I'm not anything special. That said, I wouldn't mind it if I continued to receive protection for the rest of the game...

[Double A]

Vote: Double A

I'm sorry Andres died to protect me, he obviously had a role and I'm not anything special. That said, I wouldn't mind it if I continued to receive protection for the rest of the game...

So you're voting me because you think I attacked you to kill him or what?

[TheLastDays]

I hope so, otherwise it would implicate Axe Guy having a second ability, which doesn't make me feel very comfortable. Unless he just forgot to send in orders... but since Murphy's Law is almost always invoked in mafia games, I'd say it's a second ability.

And in related news, I'm considering changing my user title to Captain Obvious.

Axe guy (the BIG one with the BIG axe) has already missed a night before. It actually fits right in. He attacked N1, didn't attack N2, attacked N3, didn't attack N4.
The pearly lady was gone again and I think the green robe man who killed in her stead is the same we saw N3. Lady with the saber remains our only regular.

It all speaks for the option of the Mafia having more members than kills.

[Romanic]

Axe guy (the BIG one with the BIG axe) has already missed a night before. It actually fits right in. He attacked N1, didn't attack N2, attacked N3, didn't attack N4.
The pearly lady was gone again and I think the green robe man who killed in her stead is the same we saw N3. Lady with the saber remains our only regular.

It all speaks for the option of the Mafia having more members than kills.

First let's fix your naming once and for all - 'pearly' lady was used in one writeup - You should refer to this character as the 'winged' lady, since she's shown having wings in all writeups she appeared in. Iirc Diamondeye proposed that she is a Valkyrie, and I agree with it.

Second, you're right to point that she is not around anymore, and I am seriously considering that she was God Emperor, who was lynched just before she disappeared. If so, then the mafia would need to have a new killer (assuming the mafia can kill twice, and pick who kills - I think it was like this in the previous game)

[Diamondeye]

Vote: Seon.

Also, we now have two people who have been targetted by the mafia and survived... Protectors seem to make some lucky picks this time around

[TheLastDays]

Vote: Seon.

Also, we now have two people who have been targetted by the mafia and survived... Protectors seem to make some lucky picks this time around

Yeah just that the protector died this time. I hope GH's life was worth that.

[Arjos]

It's weird though, because if the mafia woman ordered to kill GH, and by luck Andres ordered to protect him, how's Andres' death explained?