Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[Romanic]

Eh, so it looks like the writeups will come before I come back from work most days. :(

I believe we should let God Emperor alone for a while. Typical situation where he's either a power role or a bad guy. If he's still alive in 2 days we can force a claim out of him.

Luckily (or not) the Scums should make our decision easier, as they're likely to kill GE soon, unless they feel gutsy enough to let a possible power role acting around.

You don't lynch a possible power role just because he's shown surviving a night attack anyway. It would help if GE didn't write this though:

"sorry I am not still going to reveal much.. Well because I need to think it over a bit more, and I hope that can be accepted :) it's a bit difficult to decide what is good to reveal and what is not, but it will come. You can of course go forward to presure me into revealing all, but I would prefer that did not happen ^^"

Standing right next to TinCow about finding this scummy. Would have been better left unsaid.

[B-Wing]

I'm gonna need to buy a smartphone just to keep up with these games while I'm at work.

I'm currently focused on the God Emperor question. I understand his position of not wanting to reveal his role on Day 1, but at the same time, he's almost guaranteed to be a mafia target very soon, if not tonight. So it doesn't seem like there's anything to lose by revealing now before it's too late (unless, of course, he's scum). Having said that, if he is indeed a pro-town role, I could also see how it might be preferable to keep his role secret, so that the mafia do not know what role they have eliminated. Perhaps a private reveal to someone he trusts would be best?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Perhaps a private reveal to someone he trusts would be best?

How can he trust anyone? How can any of us trust anyone? It's only Night 2.

[thefluffyone93]

How can he trust anyone? How can any of us trust anyone? It's only Night 2.

You can definitely trust Pizza.
Absolutely no way he is scum.
No siree.

[B-Wing]

I trust you, GH.

Even though I voted for TLD, I think he would be an obvious choice for GE right now. If I was in his place and thought I was about to die, that's probably what I would do.

[TinCow]

For those who think GE needs to be given more time, I think you need to re-read the game rules. I have bolded the relevant portions for your convenience:

There will be one main mafia faction, consisting of four players. Their goal will be the extermination of all town forces and all neutral roles which may have conflicting victory conditions. There will be a number of pro-town roles, including at least one doctor, one watcher, a mason group, and a couple 'variety' roles to compliment the 'normal' townies. Lastly, as always, there will be a couple independent roles. These may have their own victory conditions, or may be able to tie themselves to a group(town or mafia). Generally speaking, I reserve the craziest of my ideas for neutrals, since they tend to start alone and have the hardest challenge for winning, so the independent roles might be a cult or a dragon or a shark with laser beams or anything else my brain has spawned. The main thing to expect is a fair bit of chaos and ambiguity. I rarely give yes/no or black/white answers to questions. Many roles which will have hidden abilities. If they do, you will never be told them by me, but with some homework, you may be able to guess on your own what they are. Some roles may gain or lose powers based on game events. If your role changes in this manner, I will inform you. Lastly, its a guilty pleasure of mine to confuse players, particularly pro-town networks. Make sure to take care of who you trust.

Pro-town roles do not survive night kills because it is not balanced. GE is almost certainly an independent role. Independent roles are major liabilities and should be eliminated because they can never be trusted, particularly in the Netherworld series. If you leave him alive for later, you will probably never lynch him. There will always be someone else who's scummier or who you think is more worthy of a lynch at that particular moment. Before you know it, there will be 4 people left, and one will be GE. Lynch him now. You won't get a better lynch option for Day 2. In addition, if you don't lynch him he will remain lynch bait forever for these reasons, and will constantly be a distraction to the town. Get it over with.

[Arjos]

Ahahahahahahahah...
Looking forward next chapters, I like your writing style 'khaan ^^
As TinCow said, this town will hardly succeed though :P

[Tratorix]

For those who think GE needs to be given more time, I think you need to re-read the game rules. I have bolded the relevant portions for your convenience:



Pro-town roles do not survive night kills because it is not balanced. GE is almost certainly an independent role. Independent roles are major liabilities and should be eliminated because they can never be trusted, particularly in the Netherworld series. If you leave him alive for later, you will probably never lynch him. There will always be someone else who's scummier or who you think is more worthy of a lynch at that particular moment. Before you know it, there will be 4 people left, and one will be GE. Lynch him now. You won't get a better lynch option for Day 2. In addition, if you don't lynch him he will remain lynch bait forever for these reasons, and will constantly be a distraction to the town. Get it over with.

This all makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, you're dead and therefore no one will listen to you.

[Arjos]

you're dead and therefore no one will listen to you.

It's fun to be a ghost :D
I think I got some mafia in the votes I got, ended with getting too many, would have preferred to die during the night as a confirmation for those people...
God Emperor might have easier time now, still GL to him for his role ^^

[TinCow]

This all makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, you're dead and therefore no one will listen to you.

I am dead via mafia, which gives me credibility. Plus, this is Netherworld; death is only an inconvenience.

[Reenk Roink]

My associates, please deal with this.

No quoting pms, please, even silly ones.

[Zack]

My associates, please deal with this.

Quoting PMs is illegal.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Zack, you naughty boy. You say "yes" to such requests. It's either a scumbag who has the most unfortunate recruiting system this side of Capo, or someone having fun with you. Go along for the ride, man!

*smack* For being so silly.

[Zack]

Well, he asked me that N1, and I said "of course!". I just barely sent him the PM he quoted.

[Diamondeye]

I'm gonna need to buy a smartphone just to keep up with these games while I'm at work.

Scum!

This all makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, you're dead and therefore no one will listen to you.

Wrong. He makes a alot of sense. I'm definitely listening (so don't stop speaking, TC )

[Death is yonder]

Bah humbug sickness and work, sorry for not voting 'khaan

[edit]Oh, one more thing. He's very happy to ID Ironside as potential scum simply because Ironside is more active via PMs than in the thread. That's an incredibly scummy move, essentially just tossing a possible pro-town role ID out into the public thread for no reason whatsoever. What was the point in saying that? It doesn't even look like GE tried to verify whether Ironside was pro-town or not, GE just concluded that Ironside had a role and that was a good enough reason for GE to want to publicly ID Ironside and get him lynched. GE is the scummist scum that ever scummed.

Pro-town roles do not survive night kills because it is not balanced.

The second reason alone at this juncture is enough to warrant a lynch on GE. If he's pro-town, he's dead anyway or lynch bait, so if he really wanted to help he should have stopped being dead weight and tried to help the town, not stall for time.

In any case, he has a strong chance of being anti-town and his now lynch-bait status does no favors for anyone even if he was pro-town.

Needs to be lynched.

Edit: Curiously it appears that I have stumbled upon the secret of always posting on mobile devices (despite using a comp). I am now undetectable when using a smart phone to access mafia muahaha!!

Double Edit: Oh wait its just Firefox 4.0

[TheLastDays]

Pro-town roles do not survive night kills because it is not balanced. GE is almost certainly an independent role. Independent roles are major liabilities and should be eliminated because they can never be trusted, particularly in the Netherworld series. If you leave him alive for later, you will probably never lynch him. There will always be someone else who's scummier or who you think is more worthy of a lynch at that particular moment. Before you know it, there will be 4 people left, and one will be GE. Lynch him now. You won't get a better lynch option for Day 2. In addition, if you don't lynch him he will remain lynch bait forever for these reasons, and will constantly be a distraction to the town. Get it over with.

You make a lot of sense here and my whole move to save GE from a Day 1 lynch was before his "Hihihi I'm not telling you everything"-post. That post was actually scummy as hell the netherworld and imo he is a very solid lynch for Day 2. I'D still like to see a full role reveal if he survives the night. Who knows... If it's as well thought out as yours in the first Netherworld we should give him a fair chance of winning

This all makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, you're dead and therefore no one will listen to you.

Incorrect. He was more than likely killed by the Mafia and his kill description makes him look very town-aligned and that's very good reasons to listen to him. Now you and Arjos are two completely different stories ]

[Ironside]

Scum!



Wrong. He makes a alot of sense. I'm definitely listening (so don't stop speaking, TC )

You if anybody should certainly know about it.

I agree with Tincow's accessment. Didn't get anything conclusive out of the pm conversation, but it did lean me more towards that GE is scum rather than townie.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

This is all confusing to me.

[Zack]

This is all confusing to me.

Would you please change your name to something shorter, preferably something which isn't in all caps? Please?

[God Emperor]

Right . I plan on posting this during the night phase, in case that I am dead when it dawns. I am sorry for not speaking up right away, but I thought I could just as well get the most out of my unlucky situation, as possible. When one is being attacked and does not die, then there is only one real way to go, and that is that this person is to die, whether by lynch or night kill. So well, here is my thoughts during the last round.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I am attacked according to the write up, and I survive. I have no idea as to why I survive, since I really don't have a special role in any way. That I survive is as far as I see it, either because of a doctor, or because that the person who attacked me is not able to kill all (or has a potential fail). Now as I said, it is only standard to have the person who survives, eliminated, so I thought the best would be to just sit quiet for a single phase, since it really boosted activity for a day 1 .. and well that is always useful imo. So that is plain and simple the first and most important reason to why I didn't think it would be beneficial to just reveal all right away. The second thing is that I somehow hope that the mafia would attack me, given the secrecy (only told Renata, because I can't keep my mouth shut). If the mafia would kill me, then that reduces the chance that they will hit an important role (yes that is just the kind of player that I am). The only downside to this, as far as I see, is that people may have given this whole thing a lot of unecessary thought, and if that is so , then I am sorry ofc :). But I don't agree with people (DIY comes to mind) that says this is just hurting town.
anyway, that is about all of it. I think this is/was the best time to come clear, since there is hardly much advantage in keeping this up during the next coming day phase

You shouldn't wait, you should make him tell you right now. If he's a pro-town role, the mafia already know it. He gains nothing by hiding if he's pro-town. The only benefit he gets out of stalling is buying more time as scum. Plus, there's the fact that he survived a night kill. How many pro-town roles do you know that are night-kill immune? Not exactly a balanced power for a pro-town role to have. Finally, there's the fact that the write-up specifically shows GE up and about and 'active' last night.

Make him confess now.

And then lynch him no matter what he says.

[edit]Oh, one more thing. He's very happy to ID Ironside as potential scum simply because Ironside is more active via PMs than in the thread. That's an incredibly scummy move, essentially just tossing a possible pro-town role ID out into the public thread for no reason whatsoever. What was the point in saying that? It doesn't even look like GE tried to verify whether Ironside was pro-town or not, GE just concluded that Ironside had a role and that was a good enough reason for GE to want to publicly ID Ironside and get him lynched. GE is the scummist scum that ever scummed.

I guess I will just reply to you, since you seem the most eager to have me eliminated :p.. I will see if I can go over the different points you are making. first part about that I gained nothing: that should be explained above. Through the explanation, you may also see that it is a not a thing that should end up buying the scum more time (on the contrary if they have actually gone after me this night phase.). As for the Ironside part.. well there I think you are adding a bit more into my posts, than what I am actually saying. If I direct your first to the spoiler, and then let you return here, then you can see that I wished to see what was possible to get out of the unfortunate thing. I am saying that I find it odd when people are very active to go fish for information in private, but does not even show up during the day phase to even talk or vote. The point of mentioning this to others, since I find it strange, should be rather clear. You are saying that I didn't try to verify if Ironside have a pro town role. In that you are completely correct, so where you conclude from that I just wish ironside hung, and that I suddenly am sure that he has a role? well I don't know where that is comming from, and I asume it is just a mistake on your behalf. I am going public with strange behavior (from the way I see it) and I have not exactly done anything else concerning Ironside :)

[Diamondeye]

Sorry I'm not buying it. Both the fact that you survived, the writeup, and your earlier considerations about revealing suggests that you have something to reveal...

Also, I'd be dumbstruck if the mafia attack you (and so should you); You're premium lynchbait and has survived an attack. There is almost no chance of the scum killing you and you should've figured that out, too. You're smart enough

[Renata]

As I said to you yesterday, GE, I would really like to see what happened to you repeated on someone else before I'm comfortable believing it. There was no sign of a doctor or roleblocker involved; it looked most like either a failing of the attacker or something inherent to you. If it was the former (nerfed role, or can only kill certain people, or whatever) that should be apparent sooner or later (unless that role winds up dead). If it's you, you are currently lying.

I'm not going to try to guess whether the mafia would take a shot at a non-mafia you or not; there are too many variables, not least your own truthfulness.

[God Emperor]

well . Heh it's perfectly fine that people are not buying it, because I am not selling; it's fact (snatch quote :p) . That the mafia is attacking me or not is not anything I can do much about. Chance is that I am being lynched, and it has been so from the very start. so ofc, that I am to be attacked was not the main priority (as told above). what happened created activity. Even if you may not believe me, you must admit, that if what I am telling is true, then I really haven't had that much to work with. anyway you ofc also know now that people may be able to survive attacks from this person.

[seireikhaan]

Ok, orders are pretty much all in. Writeups in progress.

[TheLastDays]

Renata kinds sums up my feelings about your situation GE. If we see the same guy that attacked you attempt another kill and fail again there might be more credibility to your claims. We'll see.

[thefluffyone93]

Renata kinds sums up my feelings about your situation GE. If we see the same guy that attacked you attempt another kill and fail again there might be more credibility to your claims. We'll see.

[seireikhaan]

B_ray had gathered the others in the neighborhood together for the night. First, he thought they might be safer in greater numbers. Second, he was hoping to alleviate some nerves by playing some games together. Help keep their minds off of possible impending doom and whatnot. The group was setting up the board and pieces when a frantic knock came from the door. Had someone been late? Was someone in need of aid? B ray rushed to the door and opened it. A very pretty woman, in a crimson satin dress stood in the doorway, looking quite calm and unharmed. “Can I... can I help you?” he asked her.



“Oh yes. You see, I have a cart out here I was using to move some, er, figs. But I think the axle broke.” B ray gave a look back at the group, then stepped out past the doorway, instinctively closing the door behind him.


“Now, where is this car-” B ray never got to finish his query, as a saber whipped past his throat in a blur, sending him to the ground in a crumpled heap.





The sky was beautiful at sunset. As the sun finished its descent from the sapphire sky, the colors simply were splendid. Yaropolk was sitting atop his new accommodations, legs hanging down. It was one thing humans had on any god or demon. Even the Heavens lacked the sheer natural beauty the earth sometimes displayed. With the sun finishing its descent, and embarking from earth for the night, the sky darkened. With a sigh, Yaropolk picked himself up. He turned back to the stairs leading to the main level, only to startle upon seeing a woman dressed in a simple, tan, tunic, wings spread behind her.


“Yaropolk, so enthralled are you with this world, are you? Then perhaps... perhaps you should stay here. Forever.” She unsheathed a straight sword, rushing straight at him. Yaropolk bent backwards to avoid a slash from her terrible, swift sword. His precarious position at the edge of the house resulted in him tumbling backwards, falling down on his back in the street. Yaropolk began to get up, but the woman was already leaping down to him, sword drawn high, ready to deliver a finishing blow. Yaropolk closed his eyes and clenched, waiting for the blow.... Faint footsteps were heard, and a mighty clang rang out through the night. Yaropolk opened an eye, and saw another woman, in a white khiton and bronze helmet, standing before him, a round shield braced in front of her. The new woman delivered a kick to the aggressor's midsection, creating distance for the spear in her right hand. Without turning her head, she whispered to Yaropolk. “Flee, you fool. Be safe.” And so Yaropolk, without hesitation, fled down the street as fast as he could.


“No!” the aggressor shouted. She spread her wings, and took off from the ground. The shield bearing protector, however, grabbed her right leg, and brought her back to the ground. “He is not your fight. I am.” The aggressor shook her head. She immediately turned on Yaropolk's protector, kicked her wings out again, and flew away from the protector, away from the direction Yaropolk fled.




"As I knew it!" Angra Mainyu boasted in the throne room the next morn. "Only one casualty last night! We may just have them on the run! Now, go at it! Bring me a scum!"



DAY TWO BEGINS NOW. YOU HAVE 24 HOURS.


Alive: 35

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
Autolycus
Believer
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Double A
Earthling
Fluffy
Johnhughthom
GeneralHankerchief
Glyphz
God Emperor
Ironside
Khazaar
Reenk
Renata
Riedquat
Robbiecon
Romanic
Secura
Seon
SoulBlade
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
White Eyes
Yaropolk
Zach



Killed: 4

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)

Lynched: 1

Arjos (D1)

[Zack]

Dude with the axe is gone, it looks like, so we can't come to a satisfying conclusion regarding God Emperor. Speaking of which, I think his story sounds like complete baloney.

Vote: God Emperor

[Renata]

I think there are more arguments against believing him than for, myself.

vote: God Emperor