The Rise and Fall of Vespasian [Concluded]

[Captain Blackadder]

Tonight the Republic falls once more. This noble experiment with the return to the republic was a failure. Time has shown that the republic cannot live when their are powerful men who wish for its destruction. Today the republic dies the final nail in its destruction will be the death not of a paragon of Roman Virtue but by a new man who 100 years earlier would have being counted amongst Romes enemies his name is Vindex (Classical Hero).

Before he is to be killed Vindex asks for the chance to give one final speech where he intends to speak of the Rome that will come. Vindex called together the Gauls, who had suffered much by the numerous forced levies of money and had suffered at Nero's hands. And ascending a tribunal he delivered a long and detailed speech against Vespasian, saying that they ought to revolt from the man who would be emperor and join the speaker in an attack upon him, "because," as he said, "he has despoiled the while Roman world, because he has destroyed all the flower of the senate, because he debauched , and does not preserve even the semblance of sovereignty. Many murders, robberies and outrages, it is true, have often been committed by others; but as for the other deeds committed by Vespasian, how could one find words fittingly to describe them? I have seen him, my friends and allies -believe me- I have seen that man [...] in the circle of the senate, that is, in the orchestra, sometimes holding the sword and dressed in the clothes of a general, and again wearing in general-soled shoes and . I have often heard him , play the fool, and act in battle. I have seen him in chains, hustled about as a miscreant, heavy with child, aye, in the travail of childbirth - in short, imitating all the situations of mythology by what he said and what was said to him, by what he submitted to and by what he did. Will anyone, then, style such a person Caesar and emperor and Augustus? Never! Let no one abuse those sacred titles. They were held by Augustus and by Claudius, whereas this fellow might most properly be termed Thyestes, Oedipus, Alcmeon, or Orestes; for these are the characters that he represents on the stage and it is these titles that he has assumed in place of the others. Therefore rise now at length against him; succour yourselves and succour the Romans; liberate the entire world from his future rule!"

However this speech is too little too late now the Vespasian factions far outnumbers the senate. He is shouted down and is not allowed to finish before he is taken out and killed. With the death of the consuls of the day one figure stands up and proposes that Vespasian the only man of worth left in Rome be declared dictator for life and Emperor of Rome to deal with the forthcoming threats. As the rest of the senate stands in worshipping the new Emperor two men have tears in their eyes for they know they have lost.One man is the man that lead the new republic Rufus the other is a man who in other circumstances would have being one of Vespasians greatest friends Nerva. As Vespasian smiles in the greatness of his victory the it is final whilst he has lost one of his sons in this fight he still has he greatest ally still alive and standing with him plus he has other children. Today is the dawn of a new age, the age of the Flavian Dynasty has begun

Mafia Victory

Congrats Khann and Visorslash

JohnHughthom
Montmorency
Autolycus
Visorslash
EliteKingWarman
Bowwowwow
ATPG
PopulasRomanus
ClassicalHero
BestrfcPlayer
GibsonSg
DeathisYonder
MajorRobertDump
Soulblade
Ishmael
Khann
Robbiecon

[TheLastDays]

Can I say I told you so? I guess I can :P

Visor, you should know that you will never survive another Mafia game, ever. If you say you're Mafia we're gonna lynch you because it's annoying and if you don't say it we're gonna lynch you because of this game

Well played though.

[Major Robert Dump]

LOL that the only mafia who we got was WOG'd

[johnhughthom]

Well played Visor and khaan and thanks for the game Capt B.

Is there a mafia QT?

[classical_hero]

I was right about khann, but since I suspected auto, but I had auto higher up, I could not vote for him until it was too late, so congratulations to the mafia for the stunning victory, even with one person not showing up. Next time we lynch Visor for the reasons TLD gave.

[seireikhaan]

Mafia Quicktopic.

Many thanks to Visorslash, who did the real work.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm going to mark this one down as a win for me.

[Ishmael]

Oops.

Well done to Visorslash particularly - I suspected you at first, but you had me completely fooled by the end. Well played.

[Visor]

but you had me completely fooled by the end

Please tell me how. I need to get better...

Both the new guys did well. I was very surprised that you two trusted me on that final day. Especially when I read Monty's comments about how he's a last minute voter, I was so nervous...

I did tell you guys that one day I would be scum, and then you'll be right if you put a case on me. But no-one ever did. :D

Feels good to finally get a scum role. Thanks Khaan for being a gret help, and Captain Blackadder for hosting, I quite enjoyed this.

[Ishmael]

Please tell me how. I need to get better...

I actually said this to Montmorency a day or two ago:

I've said that I don't suspect Visorslash, that's not entirely true - I've had a feeling about him from the start, and if there's 3 mafiosi remaining my money is on him, MRD and Khaan.

But then two consecutive posts made me change my mind. Classical voted for autolycus completely out of the blue, and you asked "Classical, why Autolycus" which seemed very townie to me for some reason. From this I figured classical_hero must be mafia, and since MRD was obviously scum (I maintain it was his own fault he got lynched ) and I had strong suspicions of Khaan, I figured you must be a townie. Good logic, eh?

[Visor]

I actually said this to Montmorency a day or two ago:

I know. Monty sent me a PM containing the words he sent you and what you sent back. :D (Before the final day.)

But then two consecutive posts made me change my mind. Classical voted for autolycus completely out of the blue, and you asked "Classical, why Autolycus" which seemed very townie to me for some reason. From this I figured classical_hero must be mafia, and since MRD was obviously scum (I maintain it was his own fault he got lynched ) and I had strong suspicions of Khaan, I figured you must be a townie. Good logic, eh?

Interesting. Is there a serious reason why every dead player wanted Khaan dead, and why you had suspiscions of him?

Next time we lynch Visor for the reasons TLD gave.

Please don't. This is a nice change from N0, D1 and N1 kill, which have been my last three games.

[Ishmael]

As to Khaan, personally I felt he was playing things very safe - only really posting to post his votes (except for that conversation with ATPG, but you guys tell me that's normal). Funnily enough, the dead players were one of the main reasons I didn't vote Khaan - I figured that if they all wanted him dead so badly but couldn't find any evidence to support this, maybe I was mistaken about his guilt.

[Ishmael]

Incidentally, CB, would you be able to tell me who my character was?

Also, 200th post! Sort of pales in comparison to most people here, though (19 000 ATPG? Seriously? )

[Montmorency]

AAAARRRRRGGGHHHHHH

I singlehandedly doomed the town with my cases against dump and classical (which I propounded to Ishmael and visor in PMs)!

Ah, what a fool I was, thinking that if one of the two were Mafia I could handle them the next day. But the whole time, I wondered if my continued survival were not due to my usefulness to the Mafia. Well...dem's the breaks I guess.

You guys should have kynched me Day 3.

[Visor]

I thought the dealine was 10 that very night on Day 3, so I tried to save gibbo, turned out it wasn't necessary. :D (That's why I voted you, otherwise it would've been PR).

[Major Robert Dump]

I actually said this to Montmorency a day or two ago:



But then two consecutive posts made me change my mind. Classical voted for autolycus completely out of the blue, and you asked "Classical, why Autolycus" which seemed very townie to me for some reason. From this I figured classical_hero must be mafia, and since MRD was obviously scum (I maintain it was his own fault he got lynched ) and I had strong suspicions of Khaan, I figured you must be a townie. Good logic, eh?

Remind me again how it is my own fualt I got lynched?

[Askthepizzaguy]

AAAARRRRRGGGHHHHHH

I singlehandedly doomed the town with my cases against dump and classical (which I propounded to Ishmael and visor in PMs)!

Ah, what a fool I was, thinking that if one of the two were Mafia I could handle them the next day. But the whole time, I wondered if my continued survival were not due to my usefulness to the Mafia. Well...dem's the breaks I guess.

You guys should have kynched me Day 3.

*hugs*

Monty, if I can call you Monty, your efforts to lead the town to glory were not in vain. It is the effort that counts, to me.

I made very little effort this whole game, even though my suspect Khaan was correct. If I was joking about Khaan I wouldn't have pressed so hard for him on the final round. So, because I didn't put out the effort, to really explain why I felt I was a Khaan murder choice, nobody listened.

I don't mind honest attempts to win the game even if you fail. Keep at it. You can only improve.

[Ishmael]

Remind me again how it is my own fualt I got lynched?

Come on, you've got to admit you were acting suspiciously. Or I'm a poor judge of character. In fact, judging by this whole scenario the latter seems more likely.

[Major Robert Dump]

Hehe

Aside from you not being able to detect sarcasm even if it slapped you...

As for making votes without making cases: there were no cases to be made, other than the dead telling us to lynch Khan. If I have no case, it is no better to grasp at straws and try to pull something out of my rear, because it all ultimately ends up being random. That's how mafia is. Sometimes you just gotta lynch a guy. Obviously, for those who were making far-fetched cases in order to justify their votes, well, that didn't work out so hot.

Well played by Visor though, when we were accused of being in cahoots. That was simple bad luck on my part.

[classical_hero]

Come on, you've got to admit you were acting suspiciously. Or I'm a poor judge of character. In fact, judging by this whole scenario the latter seems more likely.

You're terrible judge of character. The whole point of mafia when you are mafia is to get the town to think you are one of them, so deception is the key to mafia, so I would not blame you for the loss, since getting the mafia can be tough.

[TheLastDays]

Interesting. Is there a serious reason why every dead player wanted Khaan dead, and why you had suspiscions of him?

There was, I'm not going to tell the scum how to hide though

Also, about your posts in the QT: I'm not offended at all, no worries. For what I care, the worse your opinion of me is, the better
I did make you sweat that final day

I have to apologise, because being a replacement player that was offed right after replacing I couldn't be bothered to invest the effort that would have been needed to convince the town to vote for the right persons.

[Visor]

Obviously, for those who were making far-fetched cases in order to justify their votes, well, that didn't work out so hot.

I had so much on Ishmael on the final day because of this.

[Ishmael]

Heh, note to self: random chance>intuition>logic.

[Visor]

Sometimes. I caught a scum Day1/2 I can't remember, over logic.

But usually random chance is your friend. :P

[classical_hero]

Heh, note to self: random chance>intuition>logic.

Now you're talking like a seasoned professional.

[Visor]

Well played by Visor though, when we were accused of being in cahoots. That was simple bad luck on my part.

I was laughing, I thought it quite funny.

@ TLD

Lol, he's right. Remember your "gut" feeling on JHT in music mafia? That was funny. :D

[TheLastDays]

I was laughing, I thought it quite funny.

@ TLD

Lol, he's right. Remember your "gut" feeling on JHT in music mafia? That was funny. :D

Who's right? ^^
Yes it was. Part of it was that there just had to be a lynch on D1 and another part was I wanted to see if I could pull it off. Turns out I could :D
What was more funny was my bandwagon on you though

[Visor]

Granted, you got lucky it wasn't me. :P

Blackadder, were there any protown roles? Roles with abilities?

[Captain Blackadder]

Nope recently I have being moving away from them since I dislike townies waiting for a pro town block to form with investigators telling people that others are mafia, I might move in the other direction now as every game I have hosted has resulted in a mafia victory apart from one mini game.

[Death is yonder]

Well thanks for hosting Capt. B , although I note my activity post-death seems to be getting lower and lower in general, apologies

And congrats to the mafia, looks like Visorslash finally was scum (curiously upon the occasional re-read I didn't find him as scummy as I did in revengening :P)