A Country for Old Men [Concluded]

[Ishmael]

Calm down MRD. I was drawing a conclusion based on the evidence at hand as to who looks the most likely to be mafia. You will note the low modality of my comment, with words like "might" and "if" - I'm just offering advice here. I would like to state that if I suggest somebody is scum, I do not intend it as a personal attack. If you could post his PM that would be appreciated; it might help us determine what the deal is. That said, the only options I can see are:

a) Robbiecon lied about his role for no real reason - seems like scum
b) Robbiecon told the truth about his PM, and MRD gets incorrect results for some reason (I'm assuming you scanned him yourself?)
c) Robbiecon told the truth, and MRD is lying

b seems unlikely, which is why I suggested the above course of action. If you have any more evidence though, that might change things.

[Diamondeye]

Vote: Robbie

B_Ray, Captain Blackadder claimed "Jack of all trades" as scum in a game I hosted; I was just being careful not to trust his claim automatically. If you want to lynch a Princess over that, just keep your vote where it is.

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote: Robbie

B_Ray, Captain Blackadder claimed "Jack of all trades" as scum in a game I hosted; I was just being careful not to trust his claim automatically. If you want to lynch a Princess over that, just keep your vote where it is.

Which game was that?

[Major Robert Dump]

Well, its up to the audience here. I will go along with Robbie if others want because he would have, quite literally, have had to have been attacked last night based on when he made his claim. I find it very unlikely that one would not know ones own alignment. I doubt the host would leave your conversion out of his end-of-turn pm.

I will check back later.

Unvote.

[Tratorix]

Tally:


Khaan: 2 (Diamondeye, Warman)
robbiecon: 1 (dcmort)
B-Ray: 1 (robbiecon)
Diamondeye: 1 (B-Ray)

Also, just noticed this:

As I said to you via PM MRD, if I am attacked during the night, my alignment changes from neutral to town. It us possible that I may have already been attacked and survived that attack.

EDIT: I have no objections to you posting the PM.

Why is robbiecon claiming he was attacked if he didn't receive anything saying he was? Seems like a lame attempt to cover his lies to me.

[Diamondeye]

Which game was that?

The Seven Man Scrimmage one with two bombs in it.

[Captain Blackadder]

The Seven Man Scrimmage one with two bombs in it.

I think you have me confused with someone else I don't think I ever played that series.

Vote Khann

[Major Robert Dump]

I think you have me confused with someone else I don't think I ever played that series.

Vote Khann

haha

#1: It's night
#2: Khan is dead, we lynched him, and he was mafia

[Diamondeye]

I think you have me confused with someone else I don't think I ever played that series.

Vote Khann

I'm confusing you with Thermal Mercury, my apologies. I might try that "sleep" some time.

[TheLastDays]

Orders, anyone?

[B-Wing]

Wow... I'd give MRD's magnus opum a round of applause, but I couldn't find an appropriate smiley for that, so please accept this blistering guitar solo.

I see it as a toss up between Khaan and Robbiecon this round. What I don't get about Robbiecon's claim is this: We've seen exactly one kill every night so far, which gives the impression that there's no vigilante or serial killer. So how could Robbie have survived an attack without us having a night with no kill? I can only see two ways that could have happened.
(1) There are multiple killers, but protections and role-blocks have prevented all but one kill from taking place every night. Seems statistically improbable at best.
(2) Someone did try to kill Robbie, but a bus driver switched him. I wouldn't expect this to trigger Robbie's alignment shift, but it's plausible. The write-up with the 3 card players, someone commented that sounded like a bus driver situation. Robbie may have been the 3rd man.

If you want to lynch a Princess over that, just keep your vote where it is.

Eearlier, I assumed your Princess claim was just a joke, but you sound somewhat serious about it here. Is Princess a generic term for some role I'm unaware of?

[Major Robert Dump]

Wow... I'd give MRD's magnus opum a round of applause, but I couldn't find an appropriate smiley for that, so please accept this blistering guitar solo.

I see it as a toss up between Khaan and Robbiecon this round. What I don't get about Robbiecon's claim is this: We've seen exactly one kill every night so far, which gives the impression that there's no vigilante or serial killer. So how could Robbie have survived an attack without us having a night with no kill? I can only see two ways that could have happened.
(1) There are multiple killers, but protections and role-blocks have prevented all but one kill from taking place every night. Seems statistically improbable at best.
(2) Someone did try to kill Robbie, but a bus driver switched him. I wouldn't expect this to trigger Robbie's alignment shift, but it's plausible. The write-up with the 3 card players, someone commented that sounded like a bus driver situation. Robbie may have been the 3rd man.



Eearlier, I assumed your Princess claim was just a joke, but you sound somewhat serious about it here. Is Princess a generic term for some role I'm unaware of?

Thats what I thought about the card game as well, but robbie's claim of nuetrality came on the 9th (which is why I scanned him last night) and the card game was several days ago. There is no way he did not know he had been converted, it HAD to have been last night or he was lying. I don't see why he would lie to me about being nuetral when he was a townie, that makes no sense.

**EDIT, also the night of the card game was the night that I was allegedly busdriven with Johhug, and my bodyguard was roelblocked by Nightbringer. If Robbie were the original victim in that exchange, then that means Seon has been lying. But, again, that would mean he had no idea he was townie when he made the claim to me.

Correction: Robbie claimed on the 9th, which was Day 4. This is Day 5. I think we had a 48 hr round in there somewhere and I am confusing myself. He claimed pretty much right after Visor was murdered. There has been one night phase since then.

[robbiecon]

I don't have any more information I can provide you with. I only have the passive action of surviving a night kill, and have not received any end of night PM's. It is possible that I may have had my faction changed from neutral to town, as per my role PM (when attacked, I change alignment). But I do not know for sure. If it happened any night, the card game night seems most likely.

Vote: Khaan, we know nothing of him, and I have told you everything I know.

[Tratorix]

I don't have any more information I can provide you with. I only have the passive action of surviving a night kill, and have not received any end of night PM's. It is possible that I may have had my faction changed from neutral to town, as per my role PM (when attacked, I change alignment). But I do not know for sure. If it happened any night, the card game night seems most likely.

Vote: Khaan, we know nothing of him, and I have told you everything I know.

I don't buy this. Changing alignment is something that would have been mentioned to you in some way, otherwise what's even the point? You also claim an ability we have no way of testing. Look at it this way guys, robbiecon actually looks pretty scummy, while the case against khaan is basically that we have no info on him. We can always get khaan tomorrow if he doesn't reveal or if we're not satisfied when he does.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

It feels funny having someone mention me so much in one post .

[Major Robert Dump]

Calm down MRD. I was drawing a conclusion based on the evidence at hand as to who looks the most likely to be mafia. You will note the low modality of my comment, with words like "might" and "if" - I'm just offering advice here. I would like to state that if I suggest somebody is scum, I do not intend it as a personal attack. If you could post his PM that would be appreciated; it might help us determine what the deal is. That said, the only options I can see are:

a) Robbiecon lied about his role for no real reason - seems like scum
b) Robbiecon told the truth about his PM, and MRD gets incorrect results for some reason (I'm assuming you scanned him yourself?)
c) Robbiecon told the truth, and MRD is lying

b seems unlikely, which is why I suggested the above course of action. If you have any more evidence though, that might change things.

I have never been calmer, you mistook the tone of me post. I have to go through all my PMs and re-read the thread before I do my text wall

[robbiecon]

As I said to you via PM MRD, if I am attacked during the night, my alignment changes from neutral to town. It us possible that I may have already been attacked and survived that attack.

EDIT: I have no objections to you posting the PM.

[Major Robert Dump]

Yes you did say that, and I wanted it to come from you which is why I did not call for you lynch.

The only person I have ZERO info on is Khaan. B_Ray claimed to me already. Others have done partial claims or full claims.

Text wall to come.

**As far as I know, everyone who has been attacked has died, unless we have two killers. I am not sure if a roleblock, bodyguard or busdrive would still activate your power. I could see a bodyguard doing it since you actually get attacked and they take the bullet for you, but again, that should appear in the write up

[Diamondeye]

unvote; Vote: Khaan then?

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Vote:Khaan

[Major Robert Dump]

Right now I am voting: Khaan.

I'd rather the following be public so people can make informed decisions, all these PMs are giving me headache

I am the politician. I can scan for nuetrals. I can block lynches. I am townie. I will explain why I lied about being a scanner later, although it should be fairly obvious
Night one I scanned DCMort
Night 2 I scanned Johhug
Night 3 I scanned diamondEye
Night 4 I scanned Visorslash
Night 5 I scanned Robbie

The reason I "took charge," as some call it, is because I nailed my first scan on night 1 and got DCMort93. I figured might as well start spreading info.

Warman claimed to me. I am 100% certain he is town as his abilites and skills would not make any sense for a mafia cover role. Furthermore, the nature of his skills are very similar in style to other people who claimed much later. For a scum to be able to nail a fake story like that on Day 1 to me is almost impossible unless another peson had already claimed to Warman, which is highly unlikely. Furthermore, he forwards his nightly orders to me after he sends them to the host.

Alan The Construction WorkerWarman being town: 100%

DCMorts scan revealed just his aligment. On Day 1 In private he claimed to myself and Classical Hero in the same email that he could roleblock. He also allegedly claimed to His personal goal involves blocking a certain number of various actions. His only win condition is to survive. His alleged roleblocks on subsequent nights have been impossible to prove or disprove. He did not reveal his name or occupation. My scan of DCMort93 says I get the feeling that he is too tolerant for his own good, and he is nuetral. On night one he roleblocked Classical Hero He also allegedly claimed to Traitorix, Johhog and DiamondEye. On night 2 he roleblocked Captain BlackAdder DCMort also recruited NightBringer to protect Warman (Nightbringer was a bodyguard/roleblocker at the same time) because at the time DCMORT thought Warman was the one doing scans and was possibly a bodyguard himself. What concerns me is that if he thought Warman was a bodyguard, it makes no sense to roleblock a bodyguard in order to protect him, or maybe it does, I dunno. But Nightbringer was definitely recruited by DC that round, I got that from 3 sources.

On 8-6 DC said he was blocking Ishmael, this is also who he allegedly blocked last night. He blocked Ishmael twice, but in between we nailed a scum, so just because blocking Ishmael the first time did not prevent a murder does not mean it would not work the second time if Ishmale was the other scum. You decide.
This could still be a cover role for mafia, but unlikely since he is nuetral. Were there a serial killer, we would have had more kills per night.

DCMort chances of being town: 75%

Seon claimed to me in private. He claimes to be the busdriver, and to know that I am innocent. He does not reveal his alignment. He claims to have busdriven me with Johhug. Johhug died on night 2. I was initially weary of this until I learned through both my own PM and one sent to the bodyguard that Nightbringer roleblocked the bodyguard, which would explain why the bodyguard did not die and Johhug did. Next I worried than Seon and Nightbringer may be scamming together to trick me, until I saw that Seon had voted for Nightbringer. That was the day I blocked the lynch. I was certain Nightbringer was innocent, but only partially certain that Seon was. I find it hard to believe that a busdriver would also be a mafia, however, Seon could be lying about being a busdriver and could have targeted Johhug directly. ***THIS WAS THE NIGHT OF THE CARDGAME**Seon alerted me on the next evening that he would be busdriving me with DCMort I know of none of his subsequent nights targets.

Chances that Seon is legit w/o further info: 75%

RobbieCon: Frank the Coach. Nuetral. Being attacked (1 freebie) turns him town. Not sure if he has any other actions. What concerns me about this role is that robbie is already saying he has turned to town, which means he has survived an attack that was never reflected in the writeup. Is this possible? Did someone roleblock him or protect him who can speak up? My scan reveals that he is definitely not nuetral. He also felt around for info on who the busdriver was, but it did not give me a bad vibe until after I scanned him. This could also be a clever ploy to explain why he has not been attacked yet, because if a mafia got wind of his role they would not want to have to waste 2 nights killing him.

Chances Robbie is legit w/o further info: less than 50%


DiamondEye: After my scan I confirmed that he is nuetral with the same wording as DCMort. He states that lynching him would be a bad idea. Based on certain patterns in role claims and second tier effects lynching DE may result in him surviving and turning mafia. (see Robbies claim, as well as Visorslash's claim to me that he did not care who won or lost, and that he needed to be lynched to fulfill some sort of plan, but that getting lynched was not a personal goal. This may mean there is someone else with a day ability not unlike the one that I have) I also mentioned to Visor that he was claiming sort of the same thing as DiamondEye in regards to getting lynched, and he never responded to that point. This could all be crap and a bluff, but DE is definitely nuetral.

Chances that DE is legit w/o further info: 50%

B_Ray: Claims to be the Pastor, a pacifist. He is not supposed to vote for the winner of a lynch, with the exception of one freebie. The way he describes his role fits in pretty well with the types of skills and goals I have seen thus far. His other ability is a one-shot scan of multiple players, which he claims he is saving for when the field was narrowed down, the ability is called "The Confession". Checking his voting record his claim is pretty solid.

Blackadder: What can I say. Unless this was a total WTF move on his part to throw one of his guys under the bus, I would think he is legit unless he had some sort of crazy role to sacrifice a teammate. Considering we were not on the trail of Autocylcus AT ALL I would say this redeems Captain BlackAdder pretty well. His scan ability was a one-use thing.

Chances that Blackadder is legit: 100%

Issakhaan: We know nothing about him. Look at his votes. Decide for yourself.
Chances that Isaakhan is legit: ???

Patterns:
-We see one-shot abilities
-We see personal goals that require a persons death, or secondary skills tht require a persons death in order to activate
-On a similar note, it appears the nuetrals victory condition is to survive, whereas the townies is to eliminate all mafia, therefore a dead townie can still win. DE is still the anomoly here. Of course we have no clue about the dead people, their skills or their goals

What would help:
-People's names and occupations. This may help in the process of elimination for the write ups. for example, I am completely dumfounded by the last death. We get drumsticks, poison, a gun, and this last time a completely different type of poison or allergic reaction. Someone has something to hide in terms of their occupation, and people need to claim now, and then we can figure out if their "skills" match their "occupation" or if perhaps they are making a job up. I dunno, worth a shot?
- Someone analyzing votes. I tend to ignore them because I think they are mostly useless in finding scum

Why did I lie about being the swcanner on Day 1? Because I honestly did not think I could sway the vote on Warman because the guy draws lynches like a fat guy to cheetos. I figured I would put the scan job off on him so the nuetrals would not feel threatened and try to kill me if they had a serial killer. Sorry Warman, but it was an even trade considering I kept you from getting AFK bandwagoned. I did not use my lynch block on CH because I mistakenly thought the lynch would go to player #2 (like a politician fixing ballots) and did not see any point in saving a guy and instead losing one who had claimed. Turns out a block is a block w/ no one getting lynched, and it turned out to be a huge mistake on my part and for that I am regetful because I could have saved the cop. I found out how my role worked a little too late to make an informed decision, otherwise I would have saved CH.

Khaan to me is the most obvious vote right now as we have zero to go on. After that, I honestly do not know. Robbies case makes me paranoid, and the fact that I never hear from Seon makes me paranoid but then again that is typical Seon. DE's role irks me and I want to lynch him just to see what happens but oh well. Vote Khaan please. If he truns up town, I really do not think anyone can fault me given the circumstances.

This night I will scan one of the uncertainties if someone could be so kind to protect me and roleblock someone who is not on the 100% list.

[Tratorix]

After reading MRD's post, I honestly think robbiecon should be gone this turn. We know nothing about khaan's possible role, give him the opportunity to claim publicly. If robbie managed to survive an attack, why have there never been two attacks in one night? I doubt the mafia only tried attacking two people once. Plus saying he's neutral and then going back and claiming townie just seems too suspicious to let go.