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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    regionalism is generally meant to apply to nation-states, with greater subsidiarity from within that unit, not to con/federations where there is no identity at all, and the attempt becomes one of manufacturing a new 'loose' euro identity.
    The 'loose' Euro identity already exists, at least in the younger population and similar for older population as well, but they simply have stronger identities competing for air-time.

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    Proponents of regionalism say that strengthening a region's governing bodies and political powers within a larger country would create efficiencies of scale to the region, promote decentralization, develop a more rational allocation of the region's resources for benefit of the local populations, increase the efficient implementation of local plans, raise competitiveness levels among the regions and ultimately the whole country, and save taxpayers money.
    Admittedly, sounds like something you would support Furunculus, in many ways.

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    Proponents of regionalism say that strengthening a region's governing bodies and political powers within a larger country would create efficiencies of scale to the region, promote decentralization, develop a more rational allocation of the region's resources for benefit of the local populations,
    Admittedly, sounds like something you would support Furunculus, in many ways.
    i am all for decentralisation within the larger country of Great Britain.
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    Default Re: Dawn of a new EU - European Conservatives and Reformists Group springs into life

    are the european conservatives and reformists going to break into germany?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...kels-back.html

    be careful frau merkel! :D

    and too think people thought this would last six months?
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    Pat Condel on the ultra-undemocratic European Union http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6597...democracy.html

    Hear hear
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaexz View Post
    Redicule is 100% normal. It always goes like that, first redicule, then hostility, then just not accepting that someone was right from the go. Nigel Farrage is the only polititician you have that is awake and aware, I would vote UKIP if I could. The EU is extremily creepy and deeply undemocratic, borderline fascist. Sad truth.

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    Here's something for you EU fascists to ponder on......



    Frag beat me too it.
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    Great minds think alike

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    http://www.cracked.com/video_18534_t...-dilemmas.html

    I think that's how I would react too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    Here's something for you EU fascists to ponder on......
    Sure, if you conduct a one-sided argument with no leeway, you can make anything sound convincing. que that drunk guy at the pub who rants away as if he discovered sliced bread. Apparently as some one who speaks in favour for a European Union and reforming the current EU to make it more democratically accountable, I simply don't exist as an option in his rant as I am a liar and hate democracy. There is also absolutely no points on the great many positives of being within the EU either, which taken in the context of his rant would make it a little silly.
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    Default Re: Sensationalist UK Headline sparks Eurarabia Scare

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    you can't support the EU while calling yourself a democrate
    You can. You talk about the EU as a construct which you are generally in favour for, and you talk about reforming the EU to make it better, such as increasing democratic accountability. The problem with the EU is that policy gets dictated by Merkel, Cameron and the like behind the scenes and not in the represented bodies who have to rubber stamp policy coming from the self-interest of powerful members of the Union. The increase of 'nationalism' actually gives more body to these individuals and works against a democratic union. It is like complaining about Oligarchy by voting to give more power to the Oligarchs, it makes no baffling sense. Giving more power to elected officials and voicing this at home will force the oligarchs to concede power or face repercussions.

    Also in old idiom sayings, voting for the 'out of EU' parties is akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaexz View Post
    You can. You talk about the EU as a construct which you are generally in favour for, and you talk about reforming the EU to make it better, such as increasing democratic accountability. The problem with the EU is that policy gets dictated by Merkel, Cameron and the like behind the scenes and not in the represented bodies who have to rubber stamp policy coming from the self-interest of powerful members of the Union. The increase of 'nationalism' actually gives more body to these individuals and works against a democratic union. It is like complaining about Oligarchy by voting to give more power to the Oligarchs, it makes no baffling sense. Giving more power to elected officials and voicing this at home will force the oligarchs to concede power or face repercussions.

    Also in old idiom sayings, voting for the 'out of EU' parties is akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
    The EU is little bit to happy with getting under someone's skirt. And they are frankly unnecesary, everything allready worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    The EU is little bit to happy with getting under someone's skirt. And they are frankly unnecesary, everything allready worked.
    Fragony, nothing has ever worked. That is more accurate~

    It is all about making it working a little bit better than the attempt before it.
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    I dont know, the Roman empire was pretty successful for afew hundred years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaexz View Post
    Fragony, nothing has ever worked. That is more accurate~

    It is all about making it working a little bit better than the attempt before it.
    They thought that in 1848 as well. The EU will be the cause of war, not the answer to it.

    They brought the cold war with Russia back, who denies that is an idiot.
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    I'm sure this isn't the right thread, however as you are well aware the British were never told that the Common Market meant being subsumed into a federal Europe. If you think that's democratic then you need to see a doctor.

    [Been moved to 'Right' thread.]
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    They brought the cold war with Russia back, who denies that is an idiot.
    Actually, it is no way as simple as that. That was more Team America than the EU and also Putinism, so in short "they didn't" but that is not to resolve them of responsibility for their involvement in the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    I'm sure this isn't the right thread, however as you are well aware the British were never told that the Common Market meant being subsumed into a federal Europe.
    That is a fair comment. We were unfortunately robbed of that, and we unfortunately don't have much of a federal Europe worth voting for either. It is the worst of both worlds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaexz View Post
    Actually, it is no way as simple as that. That was more Team America than the EU and also Putinism, so in short "they didn't" but that is not to resolve them of responsibility for their involvement in the matter.
    For your consideation, who casted the dye really [url]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rQnXo2HMriQ[/url
    No way Russia could not have reacted.
    The EU caused this, EU army?.

    Vefhofsta and van Baalen were payed to do this by the way, I can prove that very soon, they were payed by princess Leilla.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaexz View Post
    Sure, if you conduct a one-sided argument with no leeway, you can make anything sound convincing. que that drunk guy at the pub who rants away as if he discovered sliced bread. Apparently as some one who speaks in favour for a European Union and reforming the current EU to make it more democratically accountable, I simply don't exist as an option in his rant as I am a liar and hate democracy. There is also absolutely no points on the great many positives of being within the EU either, which taken in the context of his rant would make it a little silly.
    And looking at his related videos, I'd say he's your typical right wing xenophobic nut, with the complete policy package. Hear one word from their like, and you can guess what they'd say on just about everything else. For someone brought up on a Tory/socialist sense of self-responsibility and tolerance of others, I find these neo-blackshirts highly unimpressive.

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    lol@neo-blackshirts

    Duuuuude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Conchita Wurst.
    Good singer. The beard just looks weird and out of place, unless we swap the dress for a humbler robe and re-casted as Jesus Christ Superstar.
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    Got to love someone who is so shamelessly fabulous. Reminds of the movie 'Breakfest at Pluto'. I bet he is a riot to have a drink with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    I'm sure this isn't the right thread, however as you are well aware the British were never told that the Common Market meant being subsumed into a federal Europe. If you think that's democratic then you need to see a doctor.

    [Been moved to 'Right' thread.]
    Aye. The Dutch and the French were also pretty clear on what we think of the EU. EU parlement often doesn't even know what they are voting for, instant yes.

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    Conchita Wurst is just testing the extent of my tolerance and it's (not) working because I just don't like to look at that face. It's rare but it managed it. And the ESC continues to be nothing more than a collection of political statements where people who mostly can't become popular otherwise are sent to become poster boys/girls for whatever perversion the countries want to promote this year. I think I'll be a conservative from now on, I've been a progressive pinko liberalist for long enough anyway.


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    You can't tolerate unpleasant faces?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    You can't tolerate unpleasant faces?
    It's why he lives without mirrors
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    You can't tolerate unpleasant faces?
    Not when they are styled with the intention to look that way and to prove some kind of point I guess.
    I have to set some kind of arbitrary limit to what I can tolerate I think.


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    W-e-e-e-ll, he's taken on that persona for a few years now.
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