Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[TheLastDays]

Well, as you say, it doesn't affect the game too much at this point, so we'll see in the end. Green Guy killed the night before and I'm almost certain it would have shown if the killer was killed after killing, like we saw with Tratorix on N1.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, as you say, it doesn't affect the game too much at this point, so we'll see in the end. Green Guy killed the night before and I'm almost certain it would have shown if the killer was killed after killing, like we saw with Tratorix on N1.

They could be refraining from killing or they died before I did or shortly after.

As such, don't trust the dead unless you know for sure they were townie. That applies to me as well, but since I know I'm townie I'm reminding you not to be led around by others who could have actually been the green guy.

[White_eyes:D]

Who was the known scum I revealed to? I revealed to TinCow yeah, was he known? No. He had a cover role as my daughter mentioned in my role PM. Not too hard to see why I revealed.

I pointed out from the first time I heard that he was your daughter, that he was scum. You of all people know that scum reveal because they feel the walls closing in, that's why TinCow revealed to you and wiped out town. I don't treat role reveals as confirmed Pro-towns but more like scum just trying to get in a townie network.

Except for Nightbringer and TLD, we all trusted Loki. And why not at that point?

I warned you ahead of time how dangerous it was to trust him....add to that TinCow kept surviving his encounters and killing a townie. All-in-all Andres was scum but town wanted to kept Pro-town roles around...even if they were all dead.

So yeah, your interpretations baffle me. Can you tell me why you killed me now?

Reenk, could I ever kill you?

Edit:To get back on topic, could someone please kill or lynch Khazaar?

[Reenk Roink]

I pointed out from the first time I heard that he was your daughter, that he was scum. You of all people know that scum reveal because they feel the walls closing in, that's why TinCow revealed to you and wiped out town. I don't treat role reveals as confirmed Pro-towns but more like scum just trying to get in a townie network.

I warned you ahead of time how dangerous it was to trust him....add to that TinCow kept surviving his encounters and killing a townie. All-in-all Andres was scum but town wanted to kept Pro-town roles around...even if they were all dead.

I remember you were wary of Andres but we never had any real private contact with him anyway. Never anything near a role reveal or about the cult. I don't remember you saying anything to me about TinCow because you never knew I was talking to him, but then again, I went to you and faked saying I was suspicious of GH and you agreed (I was actually more suspicious of you at the time). You're suspicious of everyone...

Regardless, how does any of this support your original interpretation at all?

Reenk, could I ever kill you?

The sabre lady disappears when you get lynched. Can you explain?

[White_eyes:D]

I am not suspicious of everyone Glyphz slipped right by and I just let him, but I was two for three which was not going to get any better then most townies at the time.

The sabre lady disappears when you get lynched. Can you explain?

There is a reason why that it is impossible for me to be her, unless Khaan played some kind of cruel joke. I can't say anything anyway, we are dead after all.

[Reenk Roink]

I am not suspicious of everyone Glyphz slipped right by and I just let him, but I was two for three which was not going to get any better then most townies at the time.

Fine, but the fact is you're sounding like Earthling now, way after the game is over. The only thing that happened is that I screwed up and revealed to TinCow because his cover role fooled me, being a plant in my role PM. The only favor the Jotun did for me was to kill me quickly and quietly when I asked them to. And I still love my daughter, even if she was a Jotun and murdered me. I wasn't betraying you guys at all.

There is a reason why that it is impossible for me to be her, unless Khaan played some kind of cruel joke. I can't say anything anyway, we are dead after all.

See, now we can have a discussion. There seems to have been a busser role in the game. If you turned out not to kill me, sorry for accusing you.

[White_eyes:D]

I wasn't betraying you guys at all.

There seems to have been a busser role in the game. If you turned out not to kill me, sorry for accusing you.

Regardless, you sold out Auto to save yourself and failed worst of all. That's Anti-town if not a straight out scum-move there.

And when the game is over you will see.

[Reenk Roink]

Regardless, you sold out Auto to save yourself and failed worsed of all. That's Anti-town if not a straight out scum-move there.

And when the game is over you will see.

Eh, he deserved it. I wanted to be the major king of Norway, and the last one standing (stupid Romanic ) At least I got to whoop his *** before dying.

[Zack]

Can you two get a room, please?

[Reenk Roink]

Can you two get a room, please?

Can your team lose yet so I can figure out who killed me?

[White_eyes:D]

Can you two get a room, please?

No need to be jealous, plenty of Reenk to go around.

[seireikhaan]

With four down in the last two, Death is Yonder nervously scuttled around the alleys of Babylon. Shelter was proving no haven. So here he found himself between two different, mud-brick buildings, about three feet apart. The full moon hung overhead, at the head of a glittering, cloudless night. He paused for a moment. This seemed a decent enough hiding place. No artificial light illuminated his position. He sat himself down, and rested his back against the cool wall. He let his eyes shut, and slowly exhaustion overtook him.

"Do you really think the darkness cloaks you from me?" A deep voice stirred DiY's dream. "It is my succor, my sanctuary. You cannot hide yourself." With a groan, DiY stirred his head. He startled awake as he was lifted up violently and pinned against the wall. He couldn't see what exactly was assaulting him- only a fiery aura which surrounded it. "For this affront to my power, I will give you a slow, excruciating end." The strange being rammed a nail into DiY's left collar, straight into and through the wall behind him. A second one followed in succession, in his right collar. The attacker relaxed his grip, and let DiY struggle in agony against his own mass. "Now, to make sure that you don't see the sun..." DiY heard the sound of a sword being unsheathed. But it was only the agony in his chest that alerted him to the sword's use. He could feel an unbearable agony eating his chest, consuming outwards like a parasite. Only when Death is Yonder finally passed out from the pain did his attacker finally consent to depart.





Alive: 15


Autolycus
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Diamondeye
Johnhughthom
Glyphz
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs



Killed: 15

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)


Lynched: 9

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)

WoK: 2

SoulBlade
Khazaar

[classical_hero]

I am metagaming here for the lack of a good reason, but I can't let him live while he is around. vote:DiamondEye

[Beskar]

Vote: TheLastDays

For the reasons discussed in the night phrase by Secura and others, mostly him actively "scumhunting" and posting most inthread, but still alive.

[TheLastDays]

Yes, I'm sure it's a good strategy to lynch those alive players that are actively scumhunting

[Riedquat]

There are a couple of things bugging me, I've re-reading previous nights and noticed 2 things I don't understand...

First, Night 4... the recruitment write up...

A woman stood at the door to a dark house. She knocked softly. The door was cracked open, and the inhabitant peered out. The person's eyes widen at the scantily clad figure before them.

.... I mistakenly thought it was Andres/the cult recruitment but something is not right, the recruiter was a woman and the recruited a man... Andres is a woman, Gh a man and honestly don't think GH was recruited at all; if the cult recruited it wasn't Andres the one...

Second thing, same night... Who attacked GH? A woman with scale armor... sounds familiar, no? Except the weapon used... a sword? What happened with the curved saber?

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Classical... weren't you in the warman bandwagon? Vote: classical_hero

[Major Robert Dump]

WHY THEY KILL DIY ?? I HAT SCUM!

[Andres]

WHY THEY KILL DIY ?? I HAT SCUM!

I don't know why your accomplices killed him

Maybe you should ask them?

[johnhughthom]

Chaotix is scum. Lynch him.

Vote: Chaotix

[Death is yonder]

Well, about that that time of the game that I usually get killed off

Anyways, I think that the kills going down is a pretty good sign of our progress, but its rather peculiar.

The woman,

“Please, my lovely... will you let me in?” The door opened a bit more, and the inhabitant ushered her in. Her way clear, she aggressively walked up to her host. “My lovely,” she whispered, stretching a finger across their chest. “Offer me support, and I will reward you beyond your imagination. Gifts of lapis lazul, a golden chariot, steeds the envy of the world. She turned her head slightly, showing off her lengthy, raven hair. “Well, my dear?” An eager nod greeted her question, and she allowed herself to be led further into the house for the night....

Appeared to be either possibly buying a vote, or recruiting. Definitely doesn't seem like role blocking.

Now its possible to come to a surer conclusion that it was a likely cult activity, perhaps recruiting (given Andres), which brings us to a peculiarity of, what has the cult been doing sitting on their bottoms all these nights? If recruiting is shown in the write ups, then something else has been going on.

(Now I mention this just to raise some things I was thinking about)

In any case, I think Chaotix should definitely die. Its most definitely not past him to kill his accusers, especially since I'm typically known to hush up more after death (time prioritization). I'll stick to my gut suspicion on this one. When I have more time I'll take a look through his posts, something strikes me as off-ish about Chaotix that I don't want to let up too easily.

For what its worth, I think TLD might just be a big distraction. Given his coming to prominence for the wrong reasons for quite some time already, I would think that the elements of the pro-town network would have investigated him and brought to light illicit activities with more vehemence and more concrete cases than Secura has.

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Chaotix is scum. Lynch him.

That's an interesting statement. Even though I concur based on my suspicions, I'd like to hear how you arrived to this conclusion john.

Edit: 2000th Post!

[Beskar]

Chaotix is scum. Lynch him.

Vote: Chaotix

Back to GH's case? Afterall, GH was killed for a reason...

unvote; vote: Chaotix.

Edit: Plus DIY just fingered Chaotix as well.

[Riedquat]

Edit: Plus DIY just fingered Chaotix as well.

Who also voted Chaotix while alive, so it would be .... GH and DiY were killed for a reason... no?

[Earthling]

WHY THEY KILL DIY ?? I HAT SCUM!

I wouldn't call it surprising, he'd been making obviously town posts since forever - I'd tell you who else I'd think is at risk but they might not like that and anyway there's not that many active townies left, kinda obvious.

I agree it clearly looks bad for Chaotix, can't rule out plain old desperation if he's the only scum left that he killed another one of the people accusing him. It's definitely a WIFOM thing unless there's more solid evidence but that's ok, so you guys have the call to make. Town should have at least a few more lynches left even if this isn't the right one so worth taking a shot.

That does remind me of one more observation as it seems about time something should have happened and it hasn't.

The reviver is either dead, not town, or only had a one-time revive ability. If it's either of the last two I'd recommend coming forward with a reveal to at least some of the living if not in public, as you're not going to be reviving another townie anyway. (Of course as an independent you would pretend to be a town reviver out of ability uses but either way, rules out somebody as a mafia suspect so we can be quicker to finish them off)

[Chaotix]

Really, people?

Obviously I can see exactly what you're talking about. GH and DiY both accused me and voted for me, and both are now dead. Now, I know I might not have always made the most subtle kill choices as a mafioso, but don't you think those past choices might have affected my judgement? If I were scum, don't you think it would be patently obvious to me that killing people who go after me is only going to attract more suspicion on me, not less.

From where I'm standing, this stinks of an obvious attempt to frame me, because there have already been players in this thread mentioning moves I "might" make. So I would be the one most likely to succeed in being lynched after a frame job. And you guys are going to fall for it, too, which is kind of sad.

So who's the quickest to jump on that wagon and start it rolling, and the most likely to use me as a patsy?

Vote: Beskar

I think it's also useful to note that Beskar returned from vacation at around the same time as Black Sword Guy/Hades started killing. Could be a simple coincidence, but I'm feeling pretty suspicious of Beskar anyway.

[Earthling]

That's an awful OMGUS vote. Pretty much one of the worst possible moves if you're a townie trying to defend yourself here. Really people should know better than that and you're just going to encourage people who might look at other options to let your lynch go by.

I get why you would be frustrated but that doesn't mean there's not a decent case to think you're scum here. It's WIFOM. You could have killed him because you're the last scum and simply are desperate, there's no direct evidence to your Innocence anyway. Or, another scum could have killed him just to kill a townie and knew that you'd look bad. Either way you could argue your Innocence with the "it's too obvious and simple" line.

To be clear, as I already said, I certainly get that the kills that seem to implicate you could have other simple reasons. GH because everybody knew he wasn't mafia, having been attacked by them before, and with Andres dead he wouldn't have more protection, so they were just cleaning up their messes. Death is Yonder because he was clearly a townie.

If you ask me the mafia kills I don't understand, it would be what other player as scum had a motive to kill Believer. Unless they found out Believer's role in private somehow, that kill points to a certain someone else or just was a strange coincidence. And then Ironside and Reenk came out of nowhere but those were early on.

Furthermore, I think it's less likely white_eyes was scum than at least a couple of the other dead, so you lack connections to other scum in lynches.

All that put together, you are still a suspect though, maybe not the first lynch I would choose, but not unreasonable either.

[Reenk Roink]

I think it's also useful to note that Beskar returned from vacation at around the same time as Black Sword Guy/Hades started killing. Could be a simple coincidence, but I'm feeling pretty suspicious of Beskar anyway.

Explain, Beskar.

[Riedquat]

Beskar didn't vote on days 3, 5 and 7 if I'm not mistaken, our fire/black-poisoned-sword killer appeared on night 6? :/

[TheLastDays]

I just went over the whole game, creating a voting record... now I need to analyse that... Yes, Hades appeared on night 6.

[Riedquat]

He appeared killing on night 6...

I think we saw him on night 5...

In an unmarked house, off the main road, a shadow figure knelt. A limp body lay before it on the ground, illuminated only by a single candle.

“My dearest friend... my companion... why? Why you? The world did not deserve such a noble one as yourself. But they will know your death, they will know the injustice of it. They shall weep for you as I do. This, I guarantee. For they will know my sorrow, my agony, my fury! I will create for you a monument on the greatest hill in Babylon, and all will bow before it and lament for their loss! But those who do not lament for you, those who struck you down, they will know my wrath! They shall know anger hotter than the sun, fury unquenchable even by the Euphrates itself!”

And so the shadowy figure, trembling, picked up the body and laid it on the bed. In the darkness, a red aura seemed to seep from the figure, as it turned to the door, to depart for the night.

Is it possible we triggered his appearance when we lynched pizza? O.o

Btw... unvote

[Beskar]

Explain, Beskar.

Nothing to do with me, I can safely say that the only people who have died at my hand is when I voted for them.

As for Chaotix, too many dead fingers frozen for him, even some alive ones. I don't think it is simply smoke without fire. As for killing people who FoS'd you Chaotix, you almost got away with a clean sheet until John and DiY pointed at you, I forgot about GH's accusations of you.

I think GH might have had a reason to do that, so here is your chance, Chaotix. Have you been a naughty boy or what have you been up to?