International board, or something, and the mods, and ciao

[Husar]

Yet the funny thing is that one moderator refers only to my use of bad language. he does not dare challenge his established circle of friends or the other staff.

And you know this because you're the phantom or what? (hint: you're wrong)

It's also rather hypocritical of you to accuse the moderators of breaking the rules and then blatantly breaking them yourself since you feel secure behind your anonymous account. Hypocrisy isn't just possible on the Moderators' side you know.
It gives me the feeling that you're here to stir up trouble and divide the moderatorship, not something I feel the need to support.
I have no desire to feed a black sheep to a troll because I strongly prefer the sheep in that case.

Maybe I'd be more willing to listen to you if you unmasked your IP and used your regular account, if that is not possible since it's banned then I guess my point above is perfectly correct and you're here to take some sweet revenge on the moderators.

[phantom]

why the hostility?

all accounts are anonymous here, or did you publish your name and address somewhere? i will not go any further than that because i do not have to.

so i am simply here to 'stir up trouble', is that the only way you know how to deal with dissent and disagreement by casting doubt on the users integrity?

so now i am ex banned user? because i have posted something you disagree with? my ip address is unmasked without an ip address i would be unable to connect to this site.

i am not going to defend this any more than that, because your claims are stupid and aimed at ending this uncomfortable thread quickly.

all i can say to this is

QED.

And you know this because you're the phantom or what? (hint: you're wrong)

It's also rather hypocritical of you to accuse the moderators of breaking the rules and then blatantly breaking them yourself since you feel secure behind your anonymous account. Hypocrisy isn't just possible on the Moderators' side you know.
It gives me the feeling that you're here to stir up trouble and divide the moderatorship, not something I feel the need to support.
I have no desire to feed a black sheep to a troll because I strongly prefer the sheep in that case.

Maybe I'd be more willing to listen to you if you unmasked your IP and used your regular account, if that is not possible since it's banned then I guess my point above is perfectly correct and you're here to take some sweet revenge on the moderators.

[Lemur]

I demand that Louis gets 2 infraction points when he makes such a post again and that it gets deleted and that his post in gender will be deleted or edited.

The Org does not have a mechanism for giving warning points to mods. As Gregoshi indicated, we have extensive discussions about whether a certain action or post was in- or out-of-line. In some cases as mod is asked to pass the case off to someone else; in extreme cases mods have been demodified. I would think this was self-evident, but maybe it bears stating again.

I think you're making a bit much of this "in crowd" notion. This ain't Heathers.

Also the moderators and other members who troll and make thrash posts (like Lemur and Psychonaut) should get warnings for making shameful, not-contributing and spam posts.

What's a "thrash post"?

[Husar]

why the hostility?

Why ignore the point I made about your hypocrisy?

I also haven't claimed that you are this or that, I said you give me a bad feeling, you're the one who started to assume things about me which aren't true, at least I worded my "accusations" very carefully and told you under which circumstances I'm willing to give your advice more credibility.

Our tech admins found out that your IP belongs to an anonymous proxy, I called it masking since it's not the IP of your home, that is a lot more anonymous than most other members here, if you are not banned with your normal account, why don't you use it?

I don't really see what you proved either, you just come up with more baseless assumptions about me that you write down like they are facts, at least I don't hide the fact that I'm assuming although it seems that you either didn't notice it or ignored it on purpose.

You come here with an anonymous account, which means nobody can even guess your agenda if you have one (not giving your name and address is not the only thing that makes one anonymous, in this context your agenda and history here may be quite important) and then you start suggesting to others that they criticise their friends here, as soon as Andres criticised some moderators, you encouraged him to keep it up.
For someone who doesn't want us to know who his friends are and who his loyalties lie with that's pretty rich IMO.

It's possible that you are genuine but as I said, your behaviour and the fact you are hiding who you are (in the context of this forum) make me very, very suspicious of you.

I'm not anonymous here in the sense that everybody can look up my stance on Watchtower issues from back when I was a member, everybody can have a look at my friends and some of the members here should know that I only warned them and tried to resolve rule breaking in a friendly manner when an infraction may have been warranted (so much about me considering them lower class).

You however, obviously felt the need to start this discussion with a clean history, and I wonder why that is and what it says about your true motives?

[Tellos Athenaios]

Take the hint, don't do it immediately again and move on. For all you know Louis got a whole week's worth of toilet cleaning and feeding the hamster that powers the ORG's server for that one. Come to think of it, compared to before he's been somewhat more quiet and withdrawn from the Backroom since as well.

[Drunk Clown]

You guys fail to see the point. Except for Andres you haven't replied on my argument about Louis' post.

Yet you do view my post made in that swear debating thread and say it was a justified infraction. I never claimed it was unjustified, I do however claim it was injustice that miss Frogbeastegg did not get censored for mentioning "dick" and I did get censored.

But why do you focus on that point of the post? It's all about the inequality on this forum that some people have a free pass to say things other members can't. You begin with the motives of Phantom, it's irrelevant, he's spot on, no matter his motives. It is obvious that you don't exactly know what to say as you guys try to get around the main point. None of the reactions after my post are focused on the main problem. Which I find odd.

I think you're making a bit much of this "in crowd" notion. This ain't Heathers.

I'm not over exaggerating, do you think I would make the effort to address this problem if it wasn't that big? Heck, I find it even this big that it puts me off from posting in other threads. I am really sincere when it's about the inequality on this forum, even in this thread it's present.

And Gregoshi, of course the "out-crowd" should behave too, but it's about you guys this time. Andres is the only one who has the guts to agree that there's injustice in the moderating on this forum.

That moderators can't be warned isn't a problem, you shouldn't even make aggressive/provoking/etc. post in the first place. It's your job to execute the rules, and somebody who does that should under any circumstances follow those same rules they punish others for.

Now as it's late and I want to get some rest, so one last question of which I really would appreciate if the moderators plus other members who are active in this thread would answer this one question:

Was it justified that Louis did not get a punishment (as I do not know what you do to a moderator as you can't warn or infract them, according to Lemur) for making such an inappropriate (and against the rules) post in the Gender thread?

P.S. By thrash-posts I made an error I wanted to say trash-posts which mean posts full of garbage who aren't even worth mentioning.

[Tellos Athenaios]

It's not an issue really. Not every post is read by a moderator, and I know for a fact that as a moderator you can't be arsed to correct every little toe crossing that fine line all the time. I don't mean to be petty but this is really like one kid complaining to his mummy for telling him off when she didn't tell the sibling off for something else earlier. But.. but... but... he did it, too! Mummy told me early on that just 'cause that village idiot might jump in the lake doesn't mean I should.

If there is an in crowd I know of it would be the EB team. I can assure you Louis is not part of it. Anyway, we've effectively got our own suite, with jacuzzi and all and a roomservice for free. And the management doesn't really bother with how messy we make things. Even the public bars where the fans hang out are moderated very leniently compared to the rest of the ORG.

[Shibumi]

First of all, I have recieved some PMs, cheers guys!

Wow.

I had no idea my post here would stirr up such a hornets nest!

To a lot of you, I say thank you :)

My history has been questioned - yes indeed, I have once before got 3 warnings points over my time here. With that said, I have made a whole lot of posts that did not get warning points, I might stretch it as far as saying I am more than confident in the fact that my posts at large are not deemed worthy of a warning.

However, that is not the main point, is it?

Was my initial joke in bad taste? YES! Yes yes yes. YES.

Did I two posts down make it utterly clear it was a joke, well, YES! Yes yes yes. YES.

Read that again from my perspective: "me as a general US basher says I dont care, but of course, I do, hence I point out this is a joke"

3000 lives lost is 3000 lives lost. It is bound to do what vacuums does. Is it worse than the other tragedies happening on a daily basis, specially ten years after, well, the jury is still out on that one.

That is, however, not my point. I said it was a jest, two posts down I once AGAIN made it clear it was a jest.

Are we supposed to be more sensitive to 3000ish Americans who died, not allowed to jest about it, compared to the thousands of kids who die a day cause of starvation? Are those 3000ish americans who died ten years ago somehow deserving more respect than, say, the gay rights or the struggle of the third world? If so, educate me as to why this would be on an international board.

From the way I see it, this board only allows allowed "different oppinions". We are utterly free to have different oppinions, as long as we adhere to what is ok to be different. To use "fag" as a derogatory term is quite ok eventhough it alienates 1/30th of the human population or so. But don't you dare jest with a fraction of the numbers of people killed by US carpet bombings over Afghanistan, or the people who have died in the war in Iraq because of their Weapon of Mass Destruction because these americans were INNOCENT.

Again, we have some things we can jest about, and some things we can not. This on a "international board".




Then we have the other thing, the way the mods are actually handling this.

"shoo fly" <- Obviously not demeaning. It is written by a mod - gettit? He means that as a jest, we are all sure, and it should be obvious to the reader.

The mod answering my PMs in the way he did - it is BQ, he would not do anything wrong. And if you see his answer to me as derogatory you obviously have a reading disorder.

And about Louis, we all know he mean well, far be it from him to have a malicious thought behind anything he writes. Because he is, you know, perfect, and thus whatever he writes could not possibly be taken as something negative except by someone clearly not meant to be on this board.

PJ, thanks for that post, but no, I could not possibly be back. The term set for me to get back is that I repent - and do I really seem eager to? If not, I am banned for life.

[Tellos Athenaios]

I thought the problem was the mods had put out a little green notice they were in a serious mood (tm) not appreciative of bad jokes for the day and you decided you had to go ring the doorbell regardless. It's like you're one of those people who just walk into these things.

For a comparison our national statistics bureau/agency (charged with tallying all sorts of important and less important stats for the Netherlands) decided that they'd do a housing poll. So they'd cast ballots or whatever and picked me. So they sent me a letter. I read it, I didn't have time/energy/mood for filling in some online questions form which is invariably written by someone who should for the betterment of the Internet be made to live somewhere without Internet or computers and strictly forbidden to ever search or acquire or use any form or semblance of same. So I threw away the letter.

They didn't get the hint the first time, they sent me another one. I threw that one away as well.

They didn't get that one either. So they sent a third. In which they informed me that they might attempt to contact me by phone or in person instead because it was ever so important that they waste my time and patience again. They've made it on my ignore list which shows how remarkably effective they were at annoying me since (a) I don't have ignore lists on the Internet, and (b) RL doesn't even have ignore lists built in yet to begin with.

[Shibumi]

I thought the problem was the mods had put out a little green notice they were in a serious mood (tm) not appreciative of bad jokes for the day and you decided you had to go ring the doorbell regardless. It's like you're one of those people who just walk into these things.

For a comparison our national statistics bureau/agency (charged with tallying all sorts of important and less important stats for the Netherlands) decided that they'd do a housing poll. So they'd cast ballots or whatever and picked me. So they sent me a letter. I read it, I didn't have time/energy/mood for filling in some online questions form which is invariably written by someone who should for the betterment of the Internet be made to live somewhere without Internet or computers and strictly forbidden to ever search or acquire or use any form or semblance of same. So I threw away the letter.

They didn't get the hint the first time, they sent me another one. I threw that one away as well.

They didn't get that one either. So they sent a third. In which they informed me that they might attempt to contact me by phone or in person instead because it was ever so important that they waste my time and patience again. They've made it on my ignore list which shows how remarkably effective they were at annoying me since (a) I don't have ignore lists on the Internet, and (b) RL doesn't even have ignore lists built in yet to begin with.

I am quite confident in saying that your National Statistics Bureau does not have a link, from their main forum page, to skip to the last post in the last forum topic.

If the mods does indeed want to mark some threads as under special rules, not that I can understand why they would, they might want to make it clear that posters does have to scroll back and read everything leading up to that post, and that the posters can NOT just reply to that post.

This all just seem absolutely.. Nevermind.

[a completely inoffensive name]

The only people who probably have more infraction points and warning than me are Strike and Meth. "Bad history" is such a cop out. I flooded the EB forums with Meth 4 different times with mundane back and forth conversations in 15 threads at the same time.

The ban was over the top because no one liked his opinion and no one likes him.

You all talk as if you are very hard on each other behind closed doors, give me a break guys. It's basic psychology. You are more lenient toward those you know and respect than some "stranger" in the group. You justify (subconsciously) the different lines that you draw because you "know" the motives of those you like and you don't know the motives of those you don't like.

Louis showed his sleezy Frenchman side which is disappointing, because he is much more tolerable when he is trying to be Tocqueville. He should have been punished but wasn't and that hasn't gone answered. But that's because everyone knows Louis and likes him so whatever right?

I don't mind the fact that you long timers all treat each other a bit nicer than others when the time comes to lay the hammer down, but don't try to deny it with clever jokes. Yeah, Strike has a lot of infractions but for the most part his insults are blunt and straight to the point and doesn't have a shred of fancying up to them. No offense Strike, you are my boy and I am not dissing you I am just saying that your insults are the kind that can't be ignored.

It isn't an "in-crowd" it is just a tight network of friends who have been on here a long time and because everyone here is human, they naturally differentiate how they treat those in their sphere of friendship and those that are not.

Most of the time, it isn't bad. But when this **** comes up: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?137437-Women-know-your-limits

And everyone decides to just roll with it, as if it was some well crafted, thought provoking question that needed an answer? No lock? No infraction? Well Frags has been a mainstay of the org community since '03 so everyone knows it's just Frag being Frag right?