California passes Dream Act. Illegal immigrants get state money for college.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sounds good to me...don't see what your criticizing it for really.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Sounds good to me...don't see what your criticizing it for really.

I just don't think it is fair to everyone else. My last post explains it better.

[Fisherking]

I just don't think it is fair to everyone else. My last post explains it better.

I don’t think it is fair to anyone else!

Certainly not the taxpayers or students competing for aid.

Illegal is illegal. I suppose this is just an effort to secure another voting block for their party. It may be an illegal voting block but they have done what they can to make it possible in the past.

I don’t blame the illegals for wanting to be here. I do blame the politicians for smoothing the way and praying on them with pandering legislation.

To me it seems more like overt political corruption. They choose to ignore legality in favor of gaining illegal votes.

How dose that benefit society?

[a completely inoffensive name]

I don’t think it is fair to anyone else!

Certainly not the taxpayers or students competing for aid.

Illegal is illegal. I suppose this is just an effort to secure another voting block for their party. It may be an illegal voting block but they have done what they can to make it possible in the past.

I don’t blame the illegals for wanting to be here. I do blame the politicians for smoothing the way and praying on them with pandering legislation.

To me it seems more like overt political corruption. They choose to ignore legality in favor of gaining illegal votes.

How dose that benefit society?

To be fair, the "gaining votes" angle is kind of lacking. In the US, blacks and hispanics have been solidly in the Democratic camp for many, many years now. Passing this bill just to further establish what is already there at the risk of turning away white moderates doesn't make much sense.

I have seen first hand how student governments at california uni's (err, at least mine) have been side by side with others, leading the lobbying for this bill to pass. I was asked I think maybe 2 or 3 times to fill out a card with a blanket statement saying, "PASS THE DREAM ACT!" which they (the students organizing this thing) said were going to be sent to the governor in many mass mailing attempts.

[CountArach]

I have seen first hand how student governments at california uni's (err, at least mine) have been side by side with others, leading the lobbying for this bill to pass. I was asked I think maybe 2 or 3 times to fill out a card with a blanket statement saying, "PASS THE DREAM ACT!" which they (the students organizing this thing) said were going to be sent to the governor in many mass mailing attempts.

Who would have thought? University students wanting to help their friends who are unable to apply for the same money to which they are eligible.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Who would have thought? University students wanting to help their friends who are unable to apply for the same money to which they are eligible.

Depends. There are other..."helpful" activities that I hear my student government wants (or is) getting involved with, which may or may not be sketchy. I don't think it is "wanting to help their friends" so much as furthering their ideology.

If my student government really wanted to help fellow students, I can think of a lot of things they should be doing and a lot of things they should stop doing.

[CountArach]

Depends. There are other..."helpful" activities that I hear my student government wants (or is) getting involved with, which may or may not be sketchy. I don't think it is "wanting to help their friends" so much as furthering their ideology.

Student governments support all students, regardless of their immigration or citizenship status. Certainly that is the case here. As such to complain about student governments wanting to perform their function seems strange to me.

[Fisherking]

To be fair, the "gaining votes" angle is kind of lacking. In the US, blacks and hispanics have been solidly in the Democratic camp for many, many years now. Passing this bill just to further establish what is already there at the risk of turning away white moderates doesn't make much sense.

I have seen first hand how student governments at california uni's (err, at least mine) have been side by side with others, leading the lobbying for this bill to pass. I was asked I think maybe 2 or 3 times to fill out a card with a blanket statement saying, "PASS THE DREAM ACT!" which they (the students organizing this thing) said were going to be sent to the governor in many mass mailing attempts.

Students often support things that in hindsight are downright silly.

Jerry Brown…well, do they still call him Gov. Moon Beam?

Students don’t often care who pays the bills so long as it is not them.

They don’t often vote themselves but someone may vote for them, just as with the dead.

I stand by it being an indicator of corruption.

[CountArach]

They don’t often vote themselves but someone may vote for them, just as with the dead.

I stand by it being an indicator of corruption.

Would you care to substantiate this? I know that, given the state of American politics, it is entirely possible, but could you please provide explicit examples of it in order to impute political corruption as a factor in the passage of this bill?

[Fisherking]

Would you care to substantiate this? I know that, given the state of American politics, it is entirely possible, but could you please provide explicit examples of it in order to impute political corruption as a factor in the passage of this bill?

Here you go!

http://factfinder.census.gov/jsp/saf...p16_government

Least likely voter group = 18 to 24

[rory_20_uk]

Providing free education is going to be a major draw to coming illegally to California. Parents are more likely to risk it if they think their children will benefit.

Illegal should mean just that. Economic migrants should be able to get passes to work, but those without should be rapidly deported.

There could be scholarships for overseas students to apply for which come with a student visa for the duration, but that is very different.

To create a system where evading the laws is beneficial creates severe moral hazard.