[EB MP]3.0 Thread - Testing and Updates

[Lazy O]

Good. Now what about the Indian Longbows?

Hopefully this will give you an idea that these were not peasent levies running around naked but one of the most advanced military cultures of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7URD...ayer_embedded#!

@Shak; Makes nice music for slaughtering our enemies no?

We pushed back Alexander. I demand justice be done to Indian units.

[TheShakAttack]

Good. Now what about the Indian Longbows?

Hopefully this will give you an idea that these were not peasent levies running around naked but one of the most advanced military cultures of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7URD...ayer_embedded#!

@Shak; Makes nice music for slaughtering our enemies no?

We pushed back Alexander. I demand justice be done to Indian units.

Hahahaha. Ok first of all I want to clarify I do not think they deserve to be awesome units just bcoz someone descended from that region :P

Secondly, I will actually have to disagree with you about the armor. The indian levies (and I believe the unit depicts levies as opposed to the warrior caste, kryshtias), would more often than not wear a simple cotton shirt with (at most) a heavily padded shirt. Few could afford to wear decent armor or actually bothered to wear armor since they knew they would not be expected to get into heavy melee though they were pretty capable of melee considering they were levies (their swords were cool).

Thirdly, a movie/tv show made by Indians will obviously glorify Indian history with little notion of historical accuracy :P I do agree with you that they had one of the most advanced armies and weaponries of the time period though since this is reflected in many sources and esp under Maurayan Empire.

Lastly, in line with my previous posts, I agree that the longbow they used is still not powerful enough to reflect their actual power in history. They should be more powerful than even large composites, due to the size and construction of the longbow (it was not a selfbow i.e. just a piece of long bamboo), with a nerf to accuracy since these were anchored on the ground with the left foot and would likely have been less accurate. Arrian (Alexander's historian) wrote that arrows launched from these longbows were capable of punching through even the most powerful armor and shields. The second way to implement it would be to give them equal stats (and accuracy) to the highest tier if it is felt that giving them too high an attack will spoil gameplay.

EB2 unit description:

" These men a re armed with the weapon most closely associated with the ancient Indian warrior: the longbow. The longbows would have been made of either bamboo or wood, and it would have been drawn in a particular fashion, described by ancient authors...In addition to the bows, these warriors also carry a broadsword. According to Arrianos, the broadsword and the bow were the weapons of choice of Indian warriors, and the sword was used in a slashing fashion. There were several different types of swords, some of native Indian design, but through foreign influence, other types, such as the Hellenic kopis made their way into the hands of Indian warriors...Most of the warriors are dressed in their everyday clothing, which includes loincloths, skirts, and short-sleeved shirts. The majority would have fought bare-chested, however. Some of the warriors wear a simple type of armour corselet, made from strips of hardened leather and tied at the back by what is in the epics referred to as a corselet strap...These archers can use their bows with great efficiency, and though they may not have the best aim, the power and range of their weapons more than make up for this. Though their broadswords make them more capable in mêlée than most archers, they are primarily ranged warriors, and may break if facing better trained warriors in hand-to-hand combat."

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=466774

Arrian on Indian longbows:

Indian war equipment differs; the infantry have a bow, of the height of the owner; this they poise on the ground, and set their left foot against it, and shoot thus; drawing the bowstring a very long way back; for their arrows are little short of three cubits, and nothing can stand against an arrow shot by an Indian archer, neither shield nor breastplate nor any strong armour. In their left hands they carry small shields of untanned hide, narrower than their bearers, but not much shorter. Some have javelins in place of bows. All carry a broad scimitar, its length not under three cubits; and this, when they have a hand-to-hand fight -- and Indians do not readily fight so among themselves -- they bring down with both hands in smiting, so that the stroke may be an effective one.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancie...VIII-India.asp

The quote indicates they should get shields too, but since the unit model doesnt have any, i will not push for this.

[TheShakAttack]

Following on what Lazy said, proof in Indian longbow accuracy


Check out from 1.51 for about a min for pure awesomeness :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcTt...eature=related

Apparently they had gunpowder in their arrows.
And their bows were so powerful, they could cause hurricanes and even hurl pieces of furniture.

[The Celtic Viking]

Hahaha! It's just too bad that fire arrows are banned.

[gamegeek2]

We pushed back Alexander. I demand justice be done to Indian units.

Well then, please wait for EBNOM where you will be playing with these indians:



Indian Officer



Indian Macemen



Indian Light Spearmen

Better yet, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq3TH7ds6ZM

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Wow what a display of accuracy. And those arrows with multiplying heads were awesome! Where can I pick up some of those?

And we complain about Hollywood historical inaccuracies lol

[TheShakAttack]

Wow what a display of accuracy. And those arrows with multiplying heads were awesome! Where can I pick up some of those?

And we complain about Hollywood historical inaccuracies lol

Haha, I know. In fairness tho it is depicting a religious epic, so it's kind of like clash of Clash of the Titans.

[Lazy O]

Aside from a the usual innacuracy here and there I do not see anything that makes it BS ala 300 Spartans

[TheShakAttack]

Aside from a the usual innacuracy here and there I do not see anything that makes it BS ala 300 Spartans

Lazy, we were talking about the clip I linked, not the one you linked.

[TheShakAttack]

Hey GG2, since you had to go I thought I might as well put this here for your convenience. I think your proposal to give +1 arrow attack to longbowmen would be good; but I think you should either decrease cost, or give them more men at current cost.

Also, they should really be AP... the two handed huge sword would surely provide just as much blunt force as a kopis or axe? I'd like to hear ur thoughts on why they shouldn't before I go further into any details. If you look at Arrian's quote on them (earlier post) the swords were pretty big and used with two hands.

Thanks!

[gamegeek2]

Wait, sorry, I mean Arrian. The one who chronicled Alexander's adventures. :)

[TheShakAttack]

Wait, sorry, I mean Arrian. The one who chronicled Alexander's adventures. :)

Ahh right. If I understand correctly, I think he tried to speak more about morale rather than ability to wield. As in, they do not have morale or staying power of heavy infantry or infantry that were specialised for melee.