Stainless Steel 6.4 Hotseat - Wrath of the Khan 2

**SilverShield** · 10-19-2011, 23:00

im just hitting the grocery store doing this when im back

**SilverShield** · 10-20-2011, 01:19

alright took a bit longer had a lil legal encounter actually im lucky i got a shot at doing this today after all but anyway here it is

http://ul.to/5ilv21ou

**phonicsmonkey** · 10-20-2011, 01:50

Originally Posted by SilverShield

had a lil legal encounter

did you try to rob the grocery store?

**Nightbringer** · 10-20-2011, 02:14

Originally Posted by SilverShield

im just hitting the grocery store doing this when im back

No, I think he ran his car into it :)

**ArcturUs** · 10-20-2011, 19:28

Kiev

**Nightbringer** · 10-21-2011, 08:35

kwarz up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9634

**phonicsmonkey** · 10-24-2011, 04:41

bump - just to remind Myth to do this with the others later

**Myth** · 10-24-2011, 09:45

Will do.

**Myth** · 10-24-2011, 22:54

Heh, the K-shah got completely mauled. I though I had more castles with which to recruit, but no it's like trying to put out a fire with one's spit. The Mongols are a black tide in SS 6.4 Early and when played competently it's not possible for the K- Shah to even put a dent in them. Unless the AI had a lot of cavalry armies and a lot of Night Fighter generals, but it didn't.

Denmark.

**Visor** · 10-25-2011, 10:08

Heh, I'm leading my own horde against the Mongols, but he's a tricky Monkey.

**Myth** · 10-25-2011, 10:42

I saw your armies that are near my border. The Monkey has a lot more troops. A lot. Be sure to bring something that can open forts and have NF generals. And coordinate with the others, perhaps form a defensive line further to the West.

If the Mongols really do get 100 full stacks I don't see how we can win. He is also apparently rich enough to buy mercs and continue fort production, while I was bankrupt since turn 2.

**phonicsmonkey** · 10-25-2011, 10:47

Originally Posted by Myth

If the Mongols really do get 100 full stacks I don't see how we can win. He is also apparently rich enough to buy mercs and continue fort production, while I was bankrupt since turn 2.

Much as I love this unintentional propaganda I can tell you the Mongols do not get anywhere near 100 stacks. As for money, I start with a bunch and because I'm a horde I don't have to pay upkeep for my regulars until I decide to 'settle' by taking a city or castle instead of just sacking it and leaving it rebel. Ever played a horde faction in BI? It's just like that.

**Myth** · 10-25-2011, 11:54

Yes I know how horde factions work. Well, there goes my plan for turning you grey if I took your settlements :/ Because the Mongols are not a horde faction in Late SS and people have been known to beat them by simply calling a Jihad on Urgench and turning them all grey.

I've read the 100 stacks thing in the SS forums. They come in waves, so you've not seen everything that you'll get yet. I suppose we can confirm it after this game however. Still, you have plenty of stacks now, the K-Shah front alone is more than what most nations have (apart from maybe the Fatamids) and yet you can spare several stacks to go for the Cumano-Rus lands.

The problem is also the quality of your troops and generals - everything has chevrons, and your commanders are usually north of 7 stars.

**phonicsmonkey** · 10-25-2011, 12:45

Originally Posted by Myth

Yes I know how horde factions work. Well, there goes my plan for turning you grey if I took your settlements :/ Because the Mongols are not a horde faction in Late SS and people have been known to beat them by simply calling a Jihad on Urgench and turning them all grey.

I've read the 100 stacks thing in the SS forums. They come in waves, so you've not seen everything that you'll get yet. I suppose we can confirm it after this game however. Still, you have plenty of stacks now, the K-Shah front alone is more than what most nations have (apart from maybe the Fatamids) and yet you can spare several stacks to go for the Cumano-Rus lands.

The problem is also the quality of your troops and generals - everything has chevrons, and your commanders are usually north of 7 stars.

A certain Visorslash has killed them on turn two in late era doing just that. I know exactly what I get and when it arrives - I tested the game to the end of the scripted reinforcements to check it was all working correctly.

I have lots of stacks now but I don't have nearly as many as the rest of you put together and while I'm stuffing around playing footsie with the K-Shah and Cumans the others (including the terrifying ERE) are getting stronger and making plans.

This game will go a loooong time before we can tell who will win, mark my words, and in the meantime it will be epic.

And you're first in the queue to jump back in when we inevitably lose someone and need a replacement player, so don't worry too much about being knocked out early, it was just luck of the draw.

**Myth** · 10-25-2011, 14:33

I'm not worried, I have enough on my plate even without WotK :) I was just analysing the situation. The ERE is scary, especially considering how well they should fare vs archer armies. People in the SS forums say that Scholarii with armour upgrades are immune to arrow fire...

In any event, I'll try to make mischief for you while still leading the once proud Persian empire!

BTW I think there is a difference whether the faction is human or AI controlled. AI Mongols may well get a lot more stuff for free.

**SilverShield** · 10-25-2011, 21:37

taking out only the remaining generals of the mongol armies last turn as kwarz in the new game got me on the brink of a defeat already. the cav is just over it. but the biggest advantage the mongols are having is that we got no clear teams. its obvious that kiev, turks, egypt and i are sticking together but apart from that who in the west cares about whats going on there in turky. right now twothird of my military is stationed outside of turky and even when all the computer territories are taken im still keeping the vast majority of my forces in the different regions. who knows what anyone in the west is up to. so lastly the mongols are spared the full force. im not fighting full force there in turky while someone else is taking my flanked territories one after another

**phonicsmonkey** · 10-25-2011, 23:26

Originally Posted by Myth

AI Mongols may well get a lot more stuff for free.

That's a massive thread but in the first few posts they seem to be talking about the late campaign. Anyway even in those screenshots there are not more than 25 individual Mongol armies and many of those are not full stacks.

The human-controlled early era Mongols will get zero reinforcements in the vanilla script because the script only applies if the faction is AI-controlled.

This is why I had to mod the script to make this game work. Which is why I know how many reinforcements I'm getting - exactly the same as the AI would get. Nothing like 100 stacks.

**Myth** · 10-26-2011, 07:46

Fair enough! Silver: the West is coming, or at least they've said so in the group discussions. What they'll do once they come is anyone's guess however.

**phonicsmonkey** · 10-26-2011, 22:08

ok I'm about 40 minutes early but I'm going to bump this anyway

TCV?

**The Celtic Viking** · 10-27-2011, 12:03

Fatimid's turn.

**Zim** · 10-30-2011, 01:54

Cumans

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9649

**Visor** · 10-31-2011, 11:29

http://www.sendspace.com/file/mds706

One full stack down. Four to go.

Used assassin on khwarez captain in the way to increase skill, 90% chance suceeded. I then sent in a spy 70% chance into a fort, suceeded. I then attacked the settlement with a general, gates could open. I had used a crappy general and purposefuly lost to move the Khwarez army out the way, so I could move my army into position.