Occupy Wall Street

[Sasaki Kojiro]

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/occupy-w...imidate-police



Cleanse your pallette:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...en-on-location

[Xiahou]

Frank Miller has some entertaining comments on the OWS movement.

Everybody’s been too damn polite about this nonsense:



The “Occupy” movement, whether displaying itself on Wall Street or in the streets of Oakland (which has, with unspeakable cowardice, embraced it) is anything but an exercise of our blessed First Amendment. “Occupy” is nothing but a pack of louts, thieves, and rapists, an unruly mob, fed by Woodstock-era nostalgia and putrid false righteousness. These clowns can do nothing but harm America.



“Occupy” is nothing short of a clumsy, poorly-expressed attempt at anarchy, to the extent that the “movement” – HAH! Some “movement”, except if the word “bowel” is attached - is anything more than an ugly fashion statement by a bunch of iPhone, iPad wielding spoiled brats who should stop getting in the way of working people and find jobs for themselves.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

This is no popular uprising. This is garbage. And goodness knows they’re spewing their garbage – both politically and physically – every which way they can find.



Wake up, pond scum. America is at war against a ruthless enemy.



Maybe, between bouts of self-pity and all the other tasty tidbits of narcissism you’ve been served up in your sheltered, comfy little worlds, you’ve heard terms like al-Qaeda and Islamicism.



And this enemy of mine — not of yours, apparently - must be getting a dark chuckle, if not an outright horselaugh - out of your vain, childish, self-destructive spectacle.



In the name of decency, go home to your parents, you losers. Go back to your mommas’ basements and play with your Lords Of Warcraft.



Or better yet, enlist for the real thing. Maybe our military could whip some of you into shape.



They might not let you babies keep your iPhones, though. Try to soldier on.



Schmucks.



FM

[a completely inoffensive name]

Frank Miller has some entertaining comments on the OWS movement.

Why do people get so aroused at blind, ignorant insults about people they disagree with? It just highlights how weak of a person you are, to be admiring the lowest common denominator just because you agree with his/her politics.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Frank Miller has some entertaining comments on the OWS movement.

This reply from his own blog seems appropriate:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Dear Frank,
I used to be your biggest fan.

You're now dead to me.

After reading your blog and suffering through "Holy Terror," I don't ever need to pay money for your entertainment, again.

Holy Terror is a MESS. It's sloppy, pedantic, on the nose, silly and confusing. It doesn't make a clear point, at all, which is odd because it was obviously your purposed to make a point, not to tell a good story.

Remind me again which regiment you served with? Oh, right, you were drawing cartoons at the age of those Occupy folks you suggest should enlist. Because if there's one thing a soldier can look forward to these days, it's trusting that his/her superiors will send them to do the right thing and really get the job done.

Like eliminate Al Quaeda overseas. Good mission. The Marines and Army have done that.

Root out sleeper terrorists on American soil. Good idea. The FBI does that, and they do it, well.

So how should the rest of us fight terror? Oh, right, by not rocking the boat. Never complaining, just stewing in our anger and writing angry screeds online and in comic books. Gettin' the ol' job done, aren't we, Frank? Thank God we've got you on that wall, because we need you on that wall.

Remember the Frank Miller who donated to groups that supported creator-owned companies? The guy who printed "Give 'em an inch, they'll take a Mile" in big bold letters on the back cover of one of his books? He was talking about CORPORATIONS, not big government.

He was protesting corporations that exploit their workers.

Remember the Frank Miller that co-founded his own comic publishing company, Legend, and extolled the accomplishment of the Image comics founders who left the big bad Marvel all at the same time? You know, those guys who staged a...let's see, what's the term for it...oh, yeah, a...walkout. Just walked off their jobs, the lazy ! Gave the finger to that gracious corporation that so generously employed them and thousands of others, to go..."freelance." Yeccch. Just the word itself makes me feel grimy.

In short, just to be as clear as propaganda: the young Frank Miller would look at what you've aged into and be sick.

On a personal note, I've been trying to decide for months if I should sell my old Frank Miller comics to make some decent cash or save them to give to my nephew when he's old enough to appreciate them. I'd like to think that he would be as inspired by them as I was, that they might even change the course of his creative ambitions as they did for me.

it, I'm going to Ebay right now and unloading these tainted piles of crap. And I hope you're currently working on some new lunatic book so I can scoff at it as I buy other books by still relevant artists.

I wonder if John Byrne has become a right-wing psycho nutjob, too? Nah, he's Canadian and wayyy too nice a guy for that. But you never know, these days, you never know.

The idea that people should shut up because we're fighting some pathetic enemy in the far reaches of the world who post no great threat to us is pathetic.

I hate the idea that our rights are luxuries to be thrown away at the first feeling of fear.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

^^Nonsense, that was quite funny

Also:

http://teamcoco.com/video/triumph-occupy-wall-st

[Tellos Athenaios]

^^Nonsense, that was quite funny

Though I am afraid the sentiment is rather 10 years late, I do think CR is quite right to say:

I hate the idea that our rights are luxuries to be thrown away at the first feeling of fear.

I'll leave it to you whether or not OWS has anything to do with that, though. It all seems rather messy over here.

Mr. Millers rant is just that. I think the only valid points he touches on is the behaviour of the OWS folks w.r.t. sanitation, and the rape case(s). But strangely (or revealing) enough those are just asides that have little if any to do with what must pass for his “reasoning” which consists of a classic “get off my lawn”. Not witty.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

And now we have "Occupy Exeter", the cathedral green here has been invaded aand unlike London this is unmistakabely Church land, it is also the only green space in the middle of the city (exclusing Rougemont Park, which is on top of the hill, cold and bleak) and it is not a financial district, no the Cathedral precint is home to a hotel, an excelent pub, a few cafe's, a Tea Room and assorted book and nick nack shops, and a small art gallery. The green itself is used for fetes and charitable events, as well as the Rememberence Service and Easter Passion Play, not to mention a place for people to come and relax for half an hour on their lunch break.

Now it has 15 tents on it.

Tomorrow I am going to go down and have a talk with them and see what kind of people they are.

[Lemur]

Frank Miller has some entertaining comments on the OWS movement.

Entertaining in a schadenfreude kinda way. Like watching a man with no hands trying to iron a shirt.

As little sympathy as I have for the OWS hippies, I have even less for grumpy old ex-rebels screeching about the glorious military in which they somehow never served (cf. David Mamet). Like the old saying goes, there's nobody more religious than a reformed whore, and in much the same vein, there's no one more certain of the unalloyed perfection of the US military than someone who's never served. (Cf. Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, Hillary Clinton, Paul Wolfowitz, etc. ad nauseam.)

[Xiahou]

I took it as saying "instead of sitting around whining, why not join up for something meaningful?".

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You guys are wrong. Angry old people saying whatever the **** they want is an entire genre of humor. GO PLAY YOUR LORDS OF WARCRAFT

[Shaka_Khan]

I get the feeling that this will go on and on for a long time unless the economy improves quickly. These young people have no where else to go. Maybe they'll rest during the winter, but I think they'll continue when the weather gets warm. I have seen this happen in other countries before. I watched the recent one in Berkeley. They don't look like they'd give up that easily. I understand how they feel. I saw a few of them say that no one would employ them because there's a lack of jobs available and they're willing to accept only people who have experience.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Colbert on the cops at UC Berekely:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...-u-c--berkeley

CR

[a completely inoffensive name]

Colbert on the cops at UC Berekely:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...-u-c--berkeley

CR

Sorry CR, but Sasaki scooped you on that one already.

[drone]

Oh, that hotbed of robber-baron capitalism!

Why occupy UC Berkeley? Talk about pointless...

[Crazed Rabbit]

Sorry CR, but Sasaki scooped you on that one already.

Did you watch our videos? Unless he linked Colbert more than once, his video was about something else.

CR

[a completely inoffensive name]

Did you watch our videos? Unless he linked Colbert more than once, his video was about something else.CR

I did watch the videos, both links took me to the same video...hmmmEDIT: just checked my history, I had had the same video sasaki posted, open from a link I clicked on reddit and thought that was yours. my bad, too many tabs for ACIN

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Not to mention they couldn't be more different. My video is colbert being funny and the ows people making themselves ridiculous, CR's shows colberts normal state of completely unfunny--I can't imagine the twisted mind of someone who would have any sympathy for the students in that video.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Looks like the police have finally cleared out the Manhattan group, we'll see if it sticks or not I guess:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/ny...l?ref=nyregion

I think the real result of this movement has been to highlight just how professional our police are. Sure they were hamstrung by some blindly sympathetic reporting and had to let the occupation drag out for longer than it should have done. But that's what was needed at this point in time in our country. The let them wear out their welcome and "arrested everyone who wanted to be arrested" as one police chief said. It says a lot about our country that people are so confidant in the goodness of our police that they try to get arrested; that the trade off in propaganda is more than enough for them. Hopefully in the future this kind of nonsense can be shut down earlier, with people saying "oh, I bet it was just more of those OWS types". The "Police Abuses" thread can be closed; its premise has been refuted.

Also, inside the mind of the NYT web commentators, in case you have the same peculiar fascination I do:

I can't sleep I'm so horrified by this violent night raid on sleeping protesters by hundreds of over-weaponized police, and with helicopters shattering the night. What cowardice on the part of Mayor Bloomberg and his fellow politicians.

OWS has contributed more to our politics than anything else in the last 40 years. Thanks to their creativity and courage Americans are becoming aware of just how unequal and undemocratic this country is and for that OWS has to be shut up.

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"Helicopters shattering the night" is very poetic I'll grant you

[a completely inoffensive name]

Looks like the police have finally cleared out the Manhattan group, we'll see if it sticks or not I guess:http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/ny...l?ref=nyregionI think the real result of this movement has been to highlight just how professional our police are. Sure they were hamstrung by some blindly sympathetic reporting and had to let the occupation drag out for longer than it should have done. But that's what was needed at this point in time in our country. The let them wear out their welcome and "arrested everyone who wanted to be arrested" as one police chief said. It says a lot about our country that people are so confidant in the goodness of our police that they try to get arrested; that the trade off in propaganda is more than enough for them. Hopefully in the future this kind of nonsense can be shut down earlier, with people saying "oh, I bet it was just more of those OWS types". The "Police Abuses" thread can be closed; its premise has been refuted.

Jesus Sasaki, I know you don't care for populism but you are taking it off the deep end when you get giddy for police breaking up a protest that has been more or less nonviolent. You are talking as if they are reenacting the london riots, holy hell.

[Watchman]

Ten bucks says Sasaki has a thing for peaked caps, jackboots and whips.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Jesus Sasaki, I know you don't care for populism but you are taking it off the deep end when you get giddy for police breaking up a protest that has been more or less nonviolent. You are talking as if they are reenacting the london riots, holy hell.

Why not? It's a victory for democracy* (*in the loose sense of our system of government). I would not be as impressed if they had shut down something like the london riots--that's a minimal expectation for the police. But the strategy for the ows was to get themselves arrested and discredit the police via videos of it, and to camp out long enough that they were a story despite their small numbers/irrelevance. It's a delicate PR game the police have to play. Ideally they would never have let them camp in the first place (has nothing to do with free speech) but they did a great job with the hand they were dealt.

By the way, the disgust I feel for protesters is the same as I feel when I watch the presidential debates and see the inane performances. Anyone who doesn't feel disgust at both is no true lover of democracy*.

Ten bucks says Sasaki has a thing for peaked caps, jackboots and whips.

Nope. Coats with yellow carnations in them

[Watchman]

Now that's kinky.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement's support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street's goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.

Voters don't care for the Tea Party either, with 42% saying they support its goals to 45% opposed. But asked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37, representing a flip from last month when Occupy Wall Street won out 40-37 on that question. Again the movement with independents is notable- from preferring Occupy Wall Street 43-34, to siding with the Tea Party 44-40.

Not so popular I guess.

Anyway, there are some basic things that should be changed. But we have a system that does that.

[Shaka_Khan]

Are any of you watching CNN right now? I was right that this is far from over. I think we're just seeing the beginning of the big thing.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Occupy San Diego has moment of silence for the guy who shot at the white house:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL7Q...layer_embedded

Can this possibly be serious?

Are any of you watching CNN right now? I was right that this is far from over. I think we're just seeing the beginning of the big thing.

Apparently their plot to dress in business suits and infiltrate the stock exchange was foiled by cops checking ID's?

[Meneldil]

I mean, what do you think about how the french revolution went?

The french revolution was the single most important, world-defining and glorious political event in the past 2000 years. I'd say it went pretty well.
Where's Louis when you need him, this much I wonder...

That being said, the Occupy movement is pretty useless. There's no point protesting now. The people are politically powerless. Mind you, they've always been, but at least in the past, the ruling class at least pretended to care about the average citizen. Thanks to Reagan, Thatcher and all these corporate-supporting conservative types, it's not the case anymore (YOU GOTTA CARE ABOUT THE ECONOMY§§). The situation can only be fixed through violence. So either the occupiers burn down wall street and the white house and hang stockmarket readouts to street lights, or they calmly go back home and sit back in their arm chairs quietly. Which is what's happening already anyway.

[Vuk]

@Meneldil

Coming from the guy who in years past condemned conservatives for being violent, dangerous people. You know what Meneldil, I find your view of the world very inaccurate and I find that such a view can be very dangerous leading to very concerning consequences.

[a completely inoffensive name]

@Vuk
Learn to distinguish between causes and mindless violence.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

@Meneldil

Meh,

Nothing ever changes except the drapes and more much the elite cares about the plebs.

We're at a nadir at the moment, but the pendulem will swing the other way because the narrative the New Rich tell about themselves can't stick.

[Beskar]

With all these negatives OWS reports, we need to post some positive ones too.

We are all Occupiers

Note: I highly recommend not to watch the video. It has that baa-ram-ewe repeating thing going on.