Noob questions.

[vartan]

Shak, chevrons do increase missile accuracy, as an increase in missile attack means an increase in missile accuracy (remember, lethality is at a constant value of 100%).

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Shak, chevrons do increase missile accuracy, as an increase in missile attack means an increase in missile accuracy (remember, lethality is at a constant value of 100%).

That's actually false Vartan. Missile accuracy is controlled by the number in the descr_missiles_new file. It's a constant number dependent on what the missile type is. Attack rating is just that, with lethality at a constant 1 value.

[vartan]

That's actually false Vartan. Missile accuracy is controlled by the number in the descr_missiles_new file. It's a constant number dependent on what the missile type is. Attack rating is just that, with lethality at a constant 1 value.

The higher the attack value, the more times the arrows hit their targets. Each hit is a guaranteed kill. More accuracy would entail more arrows reaching their targets. That raising the attack value for missile unit accomplishes this speaks on behalf of the higher accuracy.

[Kival]

No. Each hit is only a guaranteed kill if it comes over the defense of the enemy. Accuracy is a factor *before* the attack-defense calculation is made.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

No. Each hit is only a guaranteed kill if it comes over the defense of the enemy. Accuracy is a factor *before* the attack-defense calculation is made.

Yes. Accuracy is a whole separate entity here when discussing missile units. An arrow that "hits" its target with attack "x" still needs to overcome defense "y" before the 1 lethality value kicks in. However, the chance of the successful hit is randomized by the accuracy value of the missile itself.

[-Stormrage-]

Yes. Accuracy is a whole separate entity here when discussing missile units. An arrow that "hits" its target with attack "x" still needs to overcome defense "y" before the 1 lethality value kicks in. However, the chance of the successful hit is randomized by the accuracy value of the missile itself.

That reminds me, INCREASE ARCHER ACCURACY.

Thank you :D

[-Stormrage-]

Apart from certain units (elephants, chariots, catas and infantry who like it au naturel etc), being flanked and being hit with cav charges, what else brings down morale/causes units to rout?

Definetly getting shot at the back by slings or archers.

Once routed a whole mob of roman legions cuz i had 3 slingers at the back pelting them. definetly saw a morale decrease when the stones hit. Shaken to wavering. (did this in RSII, but eb using same engine)

[The Celtic Viking]

I had some time today apart from my usually busy schedule and so I decided to make a small test on the effect of experience when put on archers. I used the flat grasslands map, and by setting the AI as defender and bringing 4 Thorakitai (one as my general), which I always kept right behind the archers I was testing with, I kept the AI standing still in close formation. I first tested normal Kovkasi Lernain Netadzik (Caucasian Archers), then I tested them with 3 experience and then with 3 weapons upgrade (the two latter both showing up as giving 10 attack [7 being the normal], for the record). I fired from the default formation (5 ranks deep, close formation), always from the direct front (or as close to that as I could come). I fired from the maximum range possible. I did it 10 times per version. Here are the results:

Caucasian Achers (no upgrades, 7 attack) vs Hoplitai Haploi (no upgrades)

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1: 22
2: 17
3: 25
4: 27
5: 25
6: 27
7: 30
8: 27
9: 38
10: 24

Average: 26,2 kills

Caucasian Archers (3 experience upgrades, allegedly 10 attack) vs Hoplitai Haploi (no upgrades)

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1: 22
2: 26
3: 20
4: 30
5: 29
6: 25
7: 32
8: 35
9: 45
10: 28

Average: 29,2 kills

Caucasian Archers (3 weapon upgrades, 10 attack) vs Hoplitai Haploi (no upgrades)

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1: 63
2: 85
3: 65
4: 65
5: 71
6: 69
7: 67
8: 66
9: 78
10: 69

Average: 69,8 kills

Because the difference was so stark, I went ahead and did the same test again, but this time with 9 experience points.

Caucasian Archers (9 experience upgrades, allegedly 16 attack) vs Hoplitai Haploi (no upgrades)

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1: 33
2: 35
3: 34
4: 42
5: 26
6: 36
7: 36
8: 43
9: 30
10: 43

Average: 35,8

My conclusion from this is that experience points doesn't seem to increase missile attack at all; rather, the theory that experience for missiles only improve their accuracy seems much more likely to be true.

[antisocialmunky]

Pretty much that. Experience gives some sort of accuracy bonus. This is why I banned weapon bonus for long range missile units because missile/shield/kill rate bonuses are so finicky.

Well that and wall of legions with archers.

[Kival]

I'm wondering about that... before we changed it, accuracy was 100 % for all unis, so it does not really make sense to increase accutacy.