A philosophical thread for the frontroom.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Here are a couple of more or less philosophical questions.

Today's topic: Culture cycles.

A. Does popular culture progress in a cycle? Do certain trends or styles always come about again and again or does every decade bring about something new? Basically, is everything new....old?

B. Will the culture of tomorrow have kids listening to even more graphic music, movies and media? Will youth always be listening and watching to sexual and violent media or will there be a generation at some point in the future that wants to go back to the glorified innocence of the 50s and start wearing turtlenecks and going to sock hops?

These are somethings that pop in my head from time to time. Just wanted to share them.

[Fragony]

What I for one want to know is why teh hell it is colder when daylight breaks through then it did when it was still dark. That does not make sense. It feels colder at least.

[drone]

What I for one want to know is why teh hell it is colder when daylight breaks through then it did when it was still dark. That does not make sense. It feels colder at least.

It colder at daybreak because the residual heat from the previous day is at it's lowest.

On pop culture: widespread media exposure is a fairly new thing (1950s), breaking down regional barriers. At this point, it is corrupted/controlled by the limited media options and driven by marketing. We may see cycles when those in control get nostalgic over what they had in their youth. But if I see guys walking around in bellbottoms and polyester shirts I'm going to go postal.

[Fragony]

It colder at daybreak because the residual heat from the previous day is at it's lowest.

But light hits ground and energy is always warmth. It should be warmer not colder no matter the length of the cycle, daybreak is always colder it's chilling

[drone]

It should start warming up at sunrise (direct rays), but from dawn til sunrise warming is negligible. Most light at this point is reflected/refracted by the atmosphere.

[Ironside]

But light hits ground and energy is always warmth. It should be warmer not colder no matter the length of the cycle, daybreak is always colder it's chilling

That temperature lag is the same that makes July the warmest month instead of June. I'm not sure how universal it is, but August generally got warmer nights than June.

Here are a couple of more or less philosophical questions.

Today's topic: Culture cycles.

A. Does popular culture progress in a cycle? Do certain trends or styles always come about again and again or does every decade bring about something new? Basically, is everything new....old?

B. Will the culture of tomorrow have kids listening to even more graphic music, movies and media? Will youth always be listening and watching to sexual and violent media or will there be a generation at some point in the future that wants to go back to the glorified innocence of the 50s and start wearing turtlenecks and going to sock hops?

These are somethings that pop in my head from time to time. Just wanted to share them.

A. It depends on the media. Music have been having a huge development for example, so it will take a lot of time for it to go cyclic. But there's cyclic trends built in, even without the nostalgia. Main thing is limited culture "modes" so to speak. One easy example is sun tan. You can only get 2 maybe 3-4 largely different degrees of it, so the options are limited. The second is inspiration from the old trends.
If it's possible, every new cycle does have something new though. While culture is cyclic, it's also progressive.

B. Good question. While reaching the levels of the 50s is probably out (the US has pretty much gone to hell and is in total denial on it with total nostalgia for it to happen), it's not unlikely to become less. Swedish media is more prudish now than how it was say 20 years ago.
I don't think it's going to becoming much more graphic though. The shock factor is mostly gone, the extreme easily accessed anyway.

[Csargo]

I'm sad this thread is dead.

[drone]

I'm sad this thread is dead.

Is it dead? Or are we just not perceiving it's life?

[The Stranger]

Is it dead? Or are we just not perceiving it's life?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYv1HXP2oTI

turn the sound of and watch this.

[drone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYv1HXP2oTI

turn the sound of and watch this.

[Tsar Alexsandr]

I would think that the old often does reappear. What was will be again. For instance, now that technology has advanced we have digital tools that replace old manual processes and tools. For me a good example would be photography. Although I can take three hundred pictures in a day, easily, I still want to use old cameras and cameras I have built myself that need an hour of exposure to take a single picture. With the advent of the newest and greatest photo technology has come the demand for old cameras and film. There are entire groups of people dedicated to traditional film, and not just that but people who specifically dedicate themselves to tin-types, pinhole cameras, and wonderfully built Soviet cameras full of what we might call "defects".

My point is, if people are using tools and practices that are more than one hundred years old, a demand and desire for the past exists. In niches and small groups perhaps, but it very well could give way to a popular trend. Ralph Waldo Emerson and the Transcendentalists share parallels with Asian scholars, Tao and Zen. And later, the Beatnik's of the 1950's would be influenced by the Transcendentalists. Ginsberg references Walt Whitman and his "Leaves of Grass" often, citing it as an important source of inspiration prior to becoming famous himself.

Their shared belief was one of equality, meditation, self-discovery, and "Self-Reliance" if you will. I do believe that these concepts can and will return, as they have often appeared and re-appeared in the course of history.

I'm sorry if I have railed pointlessly, but this is the proper place to do so no?

Just sharing my thoughts. Adieu gentlemen!

[A Nerd]

Hello Tsar! I recall you from the tea house. Speak you mind, just try not to confuse me too much! At least as far as my personal reading and interpretation of your posts go.



This thread seems to have been ressurrected. In a different form, but ressurrected none the less.

[Drunk Clown]

I would think that the old often does reappear. What was will be again. For instance, now that technology has advanced we have digital tools that replace old manual processes and tools. For me a good example would be photography. Although I can take three hundred pictures in a day, easily, I still want to use old cameras and cameras I have built myself that need an hour of exposure to take a single picture. With the advent of the newest and greatest photo technology has come the demand for old cameras and film. There are entire groups of people dedicated to traditional film, and not just that but people who specifically dedicate themselves to tin-types, pinhole cameras, and wonderfully built Soviet cameras full of what we might call "defects".

My point is, if people are using tools and practices that are more than one hundred years old, a demand and desire for the past exists. In niches and small groups perhaps, but it very well could give way to a popular trend. Ralph Waldo Emerson and the Transcendentalists share parallels with Asian scholars, Tao and Zen. And later, the Beatnik's of the 1950's would be influenced by the Transcendentalists. Ginsberg references Walt Whitman and his "Leaves of Grass" often, citing it as an important source of inspiration prior to becoming famous himself.

Their shared belief was one of equality, meditation, self-discovery, and "Self-Reliance" if you will. I do believe that these concepts can and will return, as they have often appeared and re-appeared in the course of history.

I'm sorry if I have railed pointlessly, but this is the proper place to do so no?

Just sharing my thoughts. Adieu gentlemen!

Elements of the past return, though not exactly the same. Be it the reason or something completely different.

[Montmorency]

reaching back for what's good

That isn't evolution.

[Ibrahim]

One might argue that existence itself is simply the art of reaching back for what's good, and applying it to the future. Everything from evolution to your memory work that way.

Coincidence, or grand design!?

I would not call the repeated tendency of overspecializing organisms to specific environmental niches such a thing (you could argue that is being reached back, especially as it is a consistent theme IMHO). while I get you aren't talking about biological evo here, I suspect this example is sufficient.