Buffy Mafia 2: A Slayer's Work Game Thread [Concluded]

[Csargo]

ATPG: Don't try to lynch me, or I'll help scum, even though my character is anti-scum as well. Instead, lynch some straight townies who have more useful abilities.

???

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG: Don't try to lynch me, or I'll help scum, even though my character is anti-scum as well. Instead, lynch some straight townies who have more useful abilities.

Your straight townies can be turned into vampires or whatever else too. Don't fool yourself. Autolycus' games allowed even the main characters to go scum, and there is no way he'd reverse that policy for this game. The cults are powerful and not handicapped by someone being "townie" or not, important or not.

The only difference between townies and neutrals here, is the difference between the Cornerian and Venomian fighters in Star Fox, the one I hosted. The Venomians lose when they die. They want to survive. But there's enough of them where if you just go on a Venomian-hunting mission, you'll completely miss Star Wolf and Andross and you'll lose because they are your allies until forced to be otherwise.

Over-reliance on useful abilities is also the death rattle of the town. Lynch scums, they will have cover roles designed to convince you not to lynch them, i.e. "straight townies with useful abilities".

[Askthepizzaguy]

Is it my fault that when I imagine you, atpg, it's as a scarily dangerous black dude who metes out righteous or not so righteous death to his foes :p
WARNING: this comment does not constitute an endorsement or disendorsement of Atpg's role-claim. Void where prohibited. All roles actually assigned via random.org.

Random.org has great wisdom as usual. It's like assigning Kagemusha the main scum role. It just works, dangit. Hail the random gods!

[Montmorency]

All the neutrals in the game are not worth the bones of a town role.

Even if everyone can be converted, it still doesnt refute the facts I presented. Town X > Neutral (Racist) Scanner

[Askthepizzaguy]

All the neutrals in the game are not worth the bones of a town role.

Even if everyone can be converted, it still doesnt refute the facts I presented. Town X > Neutral (Racist) Scanner

My, you're a lovely ambassador for your cause. I am just glad that your skewed viewpoint can only lead to your own destruction, because it's inherently irrational and self-defeating.

Now, I just sit back and watch you fail. When the cultists come beating down your door and biting your neck, I'll be eating a sandwich nonchalantly.

[Montmorency]

I'm sorry Pizza, but I reached out to you, and you rebuffed me. As such, you have become a liability.

Nothing personal - just quarantine.

[scottishranger]

I'm sorry Pizza, but I reached out to you, and you rebuffed me. As such, you have become a liability.

Nothing personal - just quarantine.

Vote: Montmorency

Everyone is confusing me. But these last few posts of Montys have been scummy and they are the ones that are sticking in my head.

But seriously.... dont understand the fight between ATPG and kage.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm sorry Pizza, but I reached out to you, and you rebuffed me. As such, you have become a liability.

Nothing personal - just quarantine.

I didn't want to repeat Capo by making a hidden shared information network wherein I become an extreme liability to your side because I know too much, and I said this:

No, because that leads to me having more power than I should in games.

I'll collaborate without sharing info.

Then you shared your info with me anyway, against my will. That frankly ticks me off, because I don't want the game just handed to me, okay? Is that fair or not???

Do you want every game to be like Capo? I freaking warned you ALL before the game not to do that stuff, and you did it anyway, and I asked you not to do it again here, and YOU DID IT AGAIN!!!

STOP IT!!! STOP!!! NO MEANS NO!!! NO MEANS NO!!! NO MEANS NO!!!!


I was willing to cooperate with you before and after you violated me with unwanted information, but you've decided that since I agreed to cooperate, and finally agreed to share my info, except publicly rather than just giving it to just you, NOW I have to die.

Nothing personal, just what are you smoking?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I may have to come up with a new account and play under a different name with a different style, like pevergreen did. This is getting absurd.

[Montmorency]

Guy - let's cut the pizza here and now.

I was willing to cooperate with you before and after you violated me with unwanted information, but you've decided that since I agreed to cooperate, and finally agreed to share my info, except publicly rather than just giving it to just you, NOW I have to die.

I sent you that before you posted nything in-thread.

Then you shared your info with me anyway, against my will. That frankly ticks me off, because I don't want the game just handed to me, okay? Is that fair or not???

I'm not looking to be your pawn, Pizza. I would have liked you to become just another member of a collective.

And I've already explained why I'm voting you. You just have a very uncooperative, belligerent attitude. So let me ask you straight-out - would you be willing to collaborate, but not as an organizer?

Eh?

Eh?

EH?!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I already said I would... I said I'd be willing to work with anyone who isn't hell-bent on trying to kill me. I said that I didn't want to trade information with everyone, and the reason why is because this is one of those games where there's cults and corruption and eventually the scumbags are going to convert someone with a treasure trove of information and it will be very very hurtful to the townie cause.

The network is the townkiller. You give me all your information and as soon as someone converts me successfully, now they have all my data. Worse, they have my data and the good guys don't. That's why this secret trading of information is something I refused, because yes, I am playing for the good team until someone forces me otherwise. Same reason I gave at the end of Capo why people should do that: Because right now the town side is the pony to bet on and I haven't been forced to divide against it, thus my odds of winning are higher.

All I wanted was to have a normal game where I don't gain access to a dangerous level of information that I can't guarantee doesn't end up in enemy hands. I just wanted to be left alone. Sure I'll vote with you on this or that, but please don't blurt out any information, whether it's that you're a vanilla townie or not, because that can and will be used against you.

I'm looking out for you, but you're not heeding my warnings and you're killing a potential ally because you won't agree to my terms, which are to not make me into a liability and don't kill me for no reason. As such, my belligerent attitude is the direct result. You're making me into a liability and trying to kill me for no justifiable reason. As such, you're being a bad partner.

[Montmorency]

So you would be a partner in name only. I'm looking for more than moral support here. Why would I kill an active, promising coworker over a surly neutral who will not turn against me "as long as I am the horse to bet on"?

The network is the townkiller.

Not unless there's a truly immense volume of information being disseminated. And at that point, the strength of town will be too great.

Risks, Pizza.

[Lewwyn]

So now not only has Pizza attacks Kage, but now that there has been support for him back off and just tried to live. Obviously you just want to live and you don't care who dies. That's more scummy than anything. I'm just mystified how so many of you can be drawn in by Pizza's double speak. Look at his last post. He says he wants to help the village and stay alive, but that as soon as he's turned everything he's learned will be used against us. I have no idea why ANYONE would tell Pizza anything. I think you're an idiot to do so. But it's obvious to me that he's just squirming al over the place he's going back and forth over everything, pushing all the buttons just to find the right button. This is so ridiculous.

How much time do we have? I need to decide whether I need to reveal who I am or not.

[DaveShack]

Vote: Abstain

Looking for some real information.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Look at his last post. He says he wants to help the village and stay alive, but that as soon as he's turned everything he's learned will be used against us.

That's sorta how cult games go, Lewwyn. That's not a pizzaguy issue, that's an element designed into the game.

You've played in cult games before, right?

[Askthepizzaguy]

So you would be a partner in name only. I'm looking for more than moral support here.

What in the heck do you WANT from me? I've given you all my information and offered my vote assistance as well.

There's literally nothing else I can give you. If that's not enough, then there's just no pleasing you and the issue is on your end, not mine.

Why would I kill an active, promising coworker over a surly neutral who will not turn against me "as long as I am the horse to bet on"?

I don't care anymore. Do whatever the heck you want.

Not unless there's a truly immense volume of information being disseminated. And at that point, the strength of town will be too great.

It's going to be a sad ending to this game, that's for certain.

I already voiced my objections, you're doing whatever you like anyway. The end result is on your shoulders.

I wonder if there are any sane townies I can work with, or if I should just abstain until the inevitable happens.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The only person that makes sense to me right now is Csargo.

I'll vote for whichever person he does, until I die. That will make things less of a headache for me.

[atheotes]

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I would love to say hello to the person or persons who visited me last night, you deserve to know who I am.

Here you sound very unsure about what happened - Now you are saying 3 people visited you last night and can corroborate their innocence.

You have claimed that you are "one" of the investigators and to know the identity of a vigilante, protector, and the roleblocker. Now you say you know a "a doctor, a neutral, and my scan result." which is it?

Its strange that an attack would not show up in the write-up....

ATPG, you are yet to answer my question.

[Ishmael]

The only person that makes sense to me right now is Csargo.

I'll vote for whichever person he does, until I die. That will make things less of a headache for me.

Quick, Csargo! Vote for ATPG!

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG, you are yet to answer my question.

Over the course of the round my inbox has been lighting up with communications. The information I have now is better than what I started with, but what I said was correct.

A Slayer will use a stake to kill a vampire, although it can obviously kill ordinary humans as well. I was attacked by a stake-wielding attacker, who fled from two separate defender roles, one was wielding a certain kind of weapon, the other was wielding a different kind of weapon. I'm in contact with one of the two. I know which kind of weapon they had, but I am choosing not to reveal it so someone else can prove themselves if they get defended by the same person, they can name the weapon.

Scumbags aren't going to be using a vigilante's weapon, nor protecting me, therefore all three have good solid alibis. No scans or recruitments possible from them.

I am an investigator and I'm not the only one. The person I scanned is also an investigator, it turns out. I don't know who the vigilante is, and I never said I did, and I don't know the roleblocker and never said I did.

It's not strange that an attack that failed wouldn't show up in the writeup. Not every game host includes failed attacks in their writeups. But everyone involved in my attack/defense is aware that two others also showed up, and I was also aware of it. Therefore you'll find out in due time that I'm not just making this up because it will happen to others.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Quick, Csargo! Vote for ATPG!

If he gives up on me, I'm giving up on the town and you might as well kill me because I'll have lost all interest in continuing.

[Csargo]

Don't worry, I'm not giving up on you ATPG.

I think the group that Montmorency is putting together is a bad idea. I cannot put it in better words than that. Of course I have never liked the whole townie network.

[atheotes]

Over the course of the round my inbox has been lighting up with communications. The information I have now is better than what I started with, but what I said was correct.

A Slayer will use a stake to kill a vampire, although it can obviously kill ordinary humans as well. I was attacked by a stake-wielding attacker, who fled from two separate defender roles, one was wielding a certain kind of weapon, the other was wielding a different kind of weapon. I'm in contact with one of the two. I know which kind of weapon they had, but I am choosing not to reveal it so someone else can prove themselves if they get defended by the same person, they can name the weapon.

Scumbags aren't going to be using a vigilante's weapon, nor protecting me, therefore all three have good solid alibis. No scans or recruitments possible from them.

I am an investigator and I'm not the only one. The person I scanned is also an investigator, it turns out. I don't know who the vigilante is, and I never said I did, and I don't know the roleblocker and never said I did.

It's not strange that an attack that failed wouldn't show up in the writeup. Not every game host includes failed attacks in their writeups. But everyone involved in my attack/defense is aware that two others also showed up, and I was also aware of it. Therefore you'll find out in due time that I'm not just making this up because it will happen to others.

Sorry, i misread your post about roleblocker and vigilante.
You have a wealth of information. You have claimed neutral and corruptible. That makes you a huge threat to the town. Albeit not your own making but due to the number of people revealing to you for reasons i cannot fathom.
And I am not comfortable with your posturing from "stop metagaming me" to "lynch me" to "the town will lose if you lynch me"

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry, i misread your post about roleblocker and vigilante.
You have a wealth of information. You have claimed neutral and corruptible. That makes you a huge threat to the town. Albeit not your own making but due to the number of people revealing to you for reasons i cannot fathom.
And I am not comfortable with your posturing from "stop metagaming me" to "lynch me" to "the town will lose if you lynch me"

Please keep in mind the non-neutrals are just as corruptible, stop revealing to me is a good plea for me to be making and good advice for others to be heeding, but it shouldn't stop there. Montmorency for example is just as corruptible if he's a townie, and even more dangerous because he's not trying to stop folks from networking, he wants to make the big one.

The town won't lose if you lynch me, but the town will lose if you don't start playing this a little smarter. And honestly, the distinction you're making between neutrals and townies is the exact wrong distinction to be making. Every townie is untrustworthy and all are corruptible, if the pattern from the previous game holds.

You can't keep fixating on my survival win condition, that is less important than the other factors I'm discussing, ones that are extremely pertinent to the town's win regardless of what you end up deciding to do with me. At least play it smarter, so I can feel like I've been of some help.

[Montmorency]

Don't worry, I'm not giving up on you ATPG.

I think the group that Montmorency is putting together is a bad idea. I cannot put it in better words than that. Of course I have never liked the whole townie network.

Montmorency for example is just as corruptible if he's a townie, and even more dangerous because he's not trying to stop folks from networking, he wants to make the big one.

What would constitute a large group? 5? 10? What?

Statement: The risk of betrayal is a risk that may be taken for certain crucial networking purposes. Pizza and Csargo, you do not seem to have certain VCs. You wouldn't understand.

I shoulder all responsibility if any private action of mine causes grievous damage to the town. But that is not yet a given. Let's look back with hindsight only once it is merited.

[Montmorency]

Sorry, Pizza, I can not believe that all townies or neutrals blinkering themselves - what you imply should be done - will be a much better course of action.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not responding to your request to change my vote, Monty. You already showed your true colors with regard to how you view neutrals. The lot of us aren't worth one townie.

Until that changes, who you want lynched is not my main concern. And you've already proven to me that you're not someone I should be trying to work with.

Take it up with Csargo. I'll switch if he thinks it's a good idea, otherwise I'm voting to spare my life and kill one of my accusers.

[Montmorency]

I don't even understand at this point - are you RPing, or are you genuinely personally offended? About the friggin neutrals line?

Either way, this is really stupid.

[Montmorency]

LEWWYN DOES NOT WANT TO LYNCH YOU

Don't be a silly mule, man.

[Lewwyn]

To prove:

Unvote; Vote: Abstain