Westeros: A Game of Thrones.

[Greyblades]

Huh, I thought this was the OOC thread.

[Montmorency]

It's not my fault your posts give off such a sinister vibe, Lannister. :P

[The Stranger]

are we supposed to follow the books? i thought this just like diplomacy but then set in westeros...

[Arjos]

Yeah, we are free, JHT was just saying that you can't use any knowledge from the books after Robert Baratheon's death I suppose...

[The Stranger]

so i guess i can recall my fleet looking for the dragon queen?

[johnhughthom]

You don't have to exactly follow the characters actions in the books, that would be silly.

You simply cannot use specific knowledge of things that haven't happened, for example;

If the game had started earlier, giving Lannister orders like "Cersei and Jaime should be careful where they get intimate" would probably work out fine. "No banging in that abandoned tower" would not.

There are orders under discussion using specific knowledge of things that haven't happened yet.

so i guess i can recall my fleet looking for the dragon queen?

You haven't heard anything about a dragon queen as she doesn't exist.

Yet.

[White_eyes:D]

You haven't heard anything about a dragon queen as she doesn't exist.

Yet.

I like this...it means random and Not-so-random events are going to occur, at least I hope so. "Only fools fight over a house as it burns down around them" kind of thing but you must also keep in mind that there can be only one.

[Greyblades]

Uh, JHT, is piracy from non PC's counted in this game?

[johnhughthom]

Uh, JHT, is piracy from non PC's counted in this game?

There will be no piracy not directed by the players.

[Montmorency]

Can we have charming courtesans seduce enemy FM's?

The courtesans would of course bear many infections.

[Greyblades]

[The Stranger]

There will be no piracy not directed by the players.

he is obviously joking!

[Beskar]

Admittedly, there are tons of possibilities of what could occur. But having major rivals become allies would be so unbelievably gamey, it would be untrue. These would be for example, Stannis or Renly willingly working with the Lannisters.

Starks to ally the Lannisters... it would be... "extremely difficult" to do this convincingly without it looking completely unrealistic of the situation. During this point of time, I believe Ned is trapped and he just tried to send a letter to Stannis (which doesn't get there) proclaiming him the Rightful Ruler endorsed by himself. It is easily possible for the Starks and Lannisters not to end up in war though, if for example, Ned Stark takes the Black and his son takes over. This would leave them conflicting, but "Neutral". However, the Stark's do have major influence with House Tully (currently NPC'd) which may be persuaded to join them.

I believe during this period too, Renly just escaped with the Knight of Roses to gather up forces in Storm's End and High-garden, and is just about to marry Margery of House Tyrell. Though upon joining these factions, I assume the players there would already know this. The lesser powers do have far more flexibility though in their choices.

Things are pretty difficult though for the three most powerful factions (Lannister, Stark and Tyrell) to actually end up on the same side.

[Arjos]

By the game thread, we are far before that, I think Ned just wrote down Robert's will and Cersei is preparing Joffrey's coronation...

[The Stranger]

kinda depends, if a turn is a month than at the end of the month alot will have happened, including the things beskar just wrote.

[Kagemusha]

How i understand it. Things have developed like they have in the books up until the situation JHT described in his first post. What ever will happen afterwards can be very different from the books or maybe not, currently depending a lot what the Stark´s decide.

[Beskar]

The events I described happen within a few days of Robert's final breath. The first couple of hours afterwards has Renly disappearing with his Knights to Highgarden with the Knight of Roses, Stark getting imprisoned and Cersei's guards killing and capturing his household guard and daughters.

Considering where the Night Watch is located and they were just told Robert is on his deathbed. It is fair to assume the main dealings are under-way or have already done, especially as they were already in progress before Robert was dead.

However, there is merit in what Kagemusha says. It is down to Eddard Stark, as Hand. He can either support Renly (Ursuper Brother), support Stannis (Rightful Heir) or support Joffrey (Illegitimate non-blood related Lannister spawn). In the series, we all know Eddard supports Stannis and is forced under torture and consul to accept Joffrey for the 'sake of the kingdom' then was betrayed by being beheaded and Joffrey calling for Stark blood. This leads to Eddard's son fighting for independence supported by House Tully (and House Frey).

[The Stranger]

dont forget littlefinger who proposed that stark take the throne for himself. or is this too much out of character :P

[Greyblades]

Actually, littlefinger told eddard to back Joffrey and then Renly if joffrey got out of hand.

[Beskar]

Actually, littlefinger told eddard to back Joffrey and then Renly if joffrey got out of hand.

I believe this is correct. Stark was offered the throne before Robert, but Robert had to closer bloodline, thus he step-aside for Robert. Jaime actually almost took the throne for himself too at this time.

I thought this was after the whole "Renly fleeing to Highgarden" and "Eddard Stark is imprisoned" and I couldn't resist calling Renly out like that! I am going to edit it appriopiately, so Sigurd's response to it is still "valid", and as such.

As a note, only people who know/suspect the whole incest thing:
Eddard Stark
Stannis Baratheon (and confidants)
Renly Baratheon (and confidants and possibly via Knight of Roses, House Tyrell)
Cersei and Jamie Lannister (for obvious reasons)
Knight of Roses (see above)

[Gurkhal]

Renly Baratheon (and confidants and possibly via Knight of Roses, House Tyrell)

I think that you're wrong here. Renly didn't have a clue about the incest untill Stannis wrote his letters, and I recall that even then he didn't believe it but took it as Stannis made-up excuse to claim the crown.

[Beskar]

I think that you're wrong here. Renly didn't have a clue about the incest untill Stannis wrote his letters, and I recall that even then he didn't believe it but took it as Stannis made-up excuse to claim the crown.

I have been searching for that very letter for Game reasons but I leant my books to my father (who lives elsewhere) so I haven't been able to get a copy. if anyone feels generous, feel free to pm it to me.

I thought Renly suspected of the incest from his brother whilst Robert was alive, but he took no part in the shenanigans whilst Stannis got John Arryn involved (and was subsequently killed when he had the evidence mulling over presenting it to Robert) and Stannis left fearing for his own life. Renly not taking part of the shenanigans didn't need to fear until Robert was murdered and sought out Ned Stark in order to convince him to support his claim upon the throne, Ned Stark in reply said Stannis is the rightful heir and not him. Renly left in a huff out of King's Landing to the south to call his own banners along with the support of House Tyrell.

I don't remember Renly "Not knowing" about it since he uses it himself and basically because Stannis is so unloved (whilst he is very much a "Young Robert") he can actually gather the support behind him.

[Arjos]

The events I described happen within a few days of Robert's final breath.

Yes, but in the game it has been only few hours at most...

[Beskar]

Yes, but in the game it has been only few hours at most...

How fast does the Raven fly? Robert died the night he returned. The Wall is far anyway, regardless, it seems we the players have gone closer to the happenings and as I am not the Starks or Lannisters or Renly, I don't have an 'accurate starting' pm and i edited my earlier post in the game thread to reflect this fact. (If the players accept this amendment of mine, it is in the same spirit as the earlier message)

Still interesting to see what happened in the book and what players do though!

[Beskar]

Out of Character Convention!

With the last message in the thread, I think we should put any OOC stuff in spoilers, so people can read through the thread and messages without getting distracted by totally out of character information.

For example:

*Stannis paces the hallway and throws the sigil of House Richmort out of the window towards the ocean.*
I shall not tolerant the presence of such deceitful cretins within my kingdom.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The thread is technically parchments of information sent around by ravens, crows, and "little mice" in the public domain. So from this message of mine, Eddard Stark for example might have heard about Stannis falling out with House Richmort.

[Double A]

Everyone is Genre Savvy. john, you have no idea what you've gotten yourself into.

[johnhughthom]

Kival has joined Dragonstone.

Everyone is Genre Savvy. john, you have no idea what you've gotten yourself into.

I just hope everybody understands how much work there is in the background and will give me a break if they don't agree with certain things.

[scottishranger]

We understand. Im so thankful to you for hosting this kind of game. I know its very stressful

[Skooma Addict]

I just hope everybody understands how much work there is in the background and will give me a break if they don't agree with certain things.

If everything doesn't appease us we will have you hanged and drawn. Then your innards will be sewn back inside you so we can have you drawn again and beheaded. Your body will be thrown to the direwolves. Your head will make a fine meal for the crows.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Nah, whatever you do will be epic and appreciated, just like the last game was

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[Greyblades]

I had no idea the Starks fed thier wolves Human flesh.