Westeros: A Game of Thrones.

[Kival]

I think it's good the background plays a role. A Stannis-Lannister alliance e.g. would feel ridiculous. It's not metagamey to use the character background from the book for decisions; actually it's rather the opposite. Nobody is forced to do this but I think it's great if you have the feeling to recognize a character. We don't have just some meaningless factions without any history with each other. You don't need to read the booky by the way, all relevant informations can be easily found via google.

[Double A]

Stannis has a mage?

How did Tyrell learn this? He must have mages too.

House Martell cannot condone this mage gap!

We will respond by hiring FIRE MAGES FIRE MAGES FIRE MAGES.

All of my neighbors have mages. I must recruit a rainbow mage to defend myself.

[The Stranger]

how is the entire game sofar metagamed for one comment made by Greyblades which was wasnt very odd at all. perhaps the false gods thing was something he couldnt really know... but then again perhaps he could know. you dont know who in Stannis his house is talking behind his back to Tywin (in this game).

If you cant use knowledge from the books at all then the game should be changed and only use the Westeros setting with the houses and map and perhaps even characters but leave the rest totally open. No rivalry between stannis and Lannister or the North and such. then you can develop a total different game. But if you do it this way then i think you shouldnt nag about tiny things going a bit too fast. its not as if tywin has called the entire Faith to condemn Stannis as heretic with a flaming sword who burns people in fires. Or that the Starks just plain murder the Freys when they go south of the neck to avoid the Red Wedding...

[Beskar]

Or that the Starks just plain murder the Freys when they go south of the neck to avoid the Red Wedding...

That wouldn't be needed anyway and that would be metagame-fail on the fact it doesn't even take account of the circumstances that lead to the Red Wedding.

[Greyblades]

Yeah and considering Robb is being invited to KL, he probably wont have to go anywhere near the Freys.

[White_eyes:D]

It's not really meta-gaming to kill the Frey's. The position that they are holding is key and if we try and pass with an army we need to go thru them, according to the map we have anyway.

If they won't let us pass, what choice do we have? In the books it was clear that time and a little blackmail helped the Frey's. In this case we can siege it till the others invade.:trollface:

Not that I would do anything like that but you get the picture, it is more about location then because of the RW thing which has not even happened.

@Greyblades: Keep dreaming that Robb would ever trust the Lannisters with "Guest right".

[Greyblades]

He's young, dumb, and honorable as his father, I expect him to at least consider arguing for a more neutral ground for a trial.
Oh and when did I earn a reputation for betraying guest rites? Seriously, Joffrey's a twit but this Tywin lannister we're talking about, he's not going to ruin his reputation just to screw over a neutral party, especially now he's freaking kings regent.

[White_eyes:D]

We all know how Cat convinced him not to go and pledge fealty to Joffrey in the books and that was even before he killed Ned.(After he confessed to treason and Joffrey was crowned)

How much more would he distrust them after they outright refused his request and even murdered his dad for doing his duty. Even naive young people have there limits.

[Kagemusha]

Why are you speculating like this here in this thread? How the Frey´s will react depends completely how JHT wants to rule about it. In the end the Frey´s are vassals of Tully´s so maybe you ought to be more concerned about Tully´s rather then Frey´s?

[White_eyes:D]

Why are you speculating like this here in this thread? How the Frey´s will react depends completely how JHT wants to rule about it. In the end the Frey´s are vassals of Tully´s so maybe you ought to be more concerned about Tully´s rather then Frey´s?

This is a feudal medieval system. Not a Absolute monarchy, it's somewhat expected to predict how various vassals will react. It was just an example that I was not singling out the Frey's but that if I wanted to pass anyone who is at a bottleneck, that I might need to try more "forceful" methods.(And not because the book said so but because its just common sense if you look at the map)

[Beskar]

He's young, dumb, and honorable as his father, I expect him to at least consider arguing for a more neutral ground for a trial.
Oh and when did I earn a reputation for betraying guest rites? Seriously, Joffrey's a twit but this Tywin lannister we're talking about, he's not going to ruin his reputation just to screw over a neutral party, especially now he's freaking kings regent.

I think this sums him up better:


Also kind of why some of your RP has been more Cersei-like than Tywin.

[Kagemusha]

This is a feudal medieval system. Not a Absolute monarchy, it's somewhat expected to predict how various vassals will react. It was just an example that I was not singling out the Frey's but that if I wanted to pass anyone who is at a bottleneck, that I might need to try more "forceful" methods.(And not because the book said so but because its just common sense if you look at the map)

I never suggested it was absolute monarchy, but maybe the Frey´s are more of a concern of Tully´s then you. There is no indication of what so ever that they are going to betray you, so unless you get information concerning such possibility from game host.Such speculation is completely unnecessary.
If you are paranoid about Frey´s send a spy among them rather then speculate how they might act based on how they acted in the books.

[Beskar]

Frey's do have a history is based upon Lore. Their stance and actions during Robert's rebellion are all well known.

[White_eyes:D]

Whoa, where are you getting that I was even expecting that they would betray me and that's why I would attack them?

I was just mentioning how there in the way and how a feudal system works. Even if the liege told him to let us pass, it would still be up to him on whether or not he should honor it. Who knows, maybe he well declare independence or sign up with someone else.

We just don't know what well happen and that's the beauty of it.

[Greyblades]

Also kind of why some of your RP has been more Cersei-like than Tywin.

Eh, I don't seem to be on the same page, and explaining my actions in an attempt to persuade my opponant otherwise would be a waste of time.

How much more would he distrust them after they outright refused his request and even murdered his dad for doing his duty. Even naive young people have there limits.

But we didnt outright refuse his request. Come to trial, and beat us outright, and you'll get what you want.

[Kagemusha]

I was just pointing out how such speculation is unnecessary in public. Like i said in my first post concerning the issue. I am quite sure JHT will not make this game a copy of the books.We will know when things will be unraveled.
You can react to issues when you have proper information to base your actions upon. If indeed Frey´s would decide to reject you passing the Twins.I am sure you Stark´s can come up with ideas how to deal with that.

[Greyblades]

You can react to issues when you have proper information to base your actions upon. If indeed Frey´s would decide to reject you passing the Twins.I am sure you Stark´s can come up with ideas how to deal with that.

I never really understood that, couldnt Robb have just said "screw it" and walked upstream to the green fork's source and crossed there, or heck they could go around alltogether by heading west of greywater watch and following the forest edge south and end up in the same place.

[Kagemusha]

I never really understood that, couldnt Robb have just said "screw it" and walked upstream to the green fork's source and crossed there, or heck they could go around alltogether.

My thoughts exactly.

[White_eyes:D]

With a medieval army you would suffer some pretty horrible attrition from that by not using the Kings road. Not to mention that North men are not good swimmers with the armor and weapons.

Edit: Speed wins the day, the longer your army is in the field the more angry your vassals get.(They pay upkeep after all)

[Kagemusha]

With a medieval army you would suffer some pretty horrible attrition from that by not using the Kings road. Not to mention that North men are not good swimmers with the armor and weapons.

Edit: Speed wins the day, the longer your army is in the field the more angry your vassals get.(They pay upkeep after all)

Are you for real? Maybe a quick look at a map should tell you a bit different story:

http://gameofthrones.net/images/West...f_westeros.jpg

Kings road goes from North to South passing Twins from the East. If anything going to Twins was getting off from main road.

[Kival]

Not anything happens as in the books but anything which happens before the start of the game happened exactly as in the books - that's at least what I understand. So you can guess actions to some degree on the history of Houses/families etc. - The frame is defined by the books but not the exact actions. And as probably the played houses act differently to some degree the npcs will have to act differently too. But I doubt they will have a strong change in aims or believes etc. At least not without actions of the players towards it. Anyway: Let's just see what's coming. So far I see no big problem. I really don't know how Tywin will know anything about the "false gods" but so far it's not a real problem.

[White_eyes:D]

Why did Robb go to the Twins then?

Did he just want to avoid the Main road?? There is more then enough room to just go around. I am just going to guess he wanted some supplies from them or something

I found this answer...

1) Because if you'll look at the map, the Twins is northernmost crossing. It is mentioned in the books that if they go any further south, they will have to fight past Tywin, and Robb is very uncertain about his chances of beating him (not to mention how he would have to ignore Jaime's host.

[Kagemusha]

Why did Robb go to the Twins then?

Did he just want to avoid the Main road?? There is more then enough room to just go around. I am just going to guess he wanted some supplies from them or something

Only logical thing i can think off is that he was worried about leaving a possibly hostile force behind to harass his line of supply, but as we are not dealing wiht history, but rather fantasy.We should not dwell too deep into it.

Edit: Just read your edit. So it was done to get to Jaime. Good catch.

[The Stranger]

crossing the twins meant 1 river crossing instead of 2-3 rivercrossings on their way to lift the siege of riverrun. and since the season was wet and rains heavy there would be good chance that they couldnt cross the trident more down stream because the river would be too wild and wide. they could go around it all together but that would mean crossing wood and swamplands... not exactly perfect marching terrain.

and by god you guys are supposed to be the top military commanders of the 7 kingdoms... im just an admiral and i could tell that...

[Greyblades]

Eh, this really doesnt matter, riverrun is not under siege and we're not even at war yet. What does matter is the starks response to Tywin's summons, should they back out when challenged or throw away any attempts for compromise without consideration, well, I think quite a number of lords would start wondering if the Stark's claims are legitimate.
Hint, hint.

[Kagemusha]

Apparently they dont have the map of Seven Kingdoms either at Iron Isles. The easiest march to Riverrun would have been following the King´s Road to Lord Harroway´s Town and then marching the River Road West to RiverRun, but like White_eyes found from the text.The reason for crossing the Twins was to avoid the force of Tywin and surprise Jaime.

Greyblades,what Stark claims are you talking about?

[Greyblades]

Didnt you read his post? Sigurd claims Joffrey murdered Eddard Stark through Sandor Clegane.

Edit: I just realised how that sounds, put it this way: the Starks say it was murder of the Hand of the king, we say it was an execution of a traitor.

[Kagemusha]

Oh you mean that. I would think no matter if Joffrey killed the Leader of their house and Warden of The North unlawfully or lawfully. There is little chance they would like to negotiate with him in situation where Joffrey is not the only claimant to the throne. You just dont kill leaders of mighty families wihout consequences.

Edit: Reading your edit does not chance my attitude. The Sympathies of house Stark and their vassals are definitely not with King Joffrey after killing Ned Stark.No matter what kind of explanations are given out in order to explain the act.

[Greyblades]

You make it sound as if we wanted it to happen.

Edit: Reading your edit does not chance my attitude. The Sympathies of house Stark and their vassals are definitely not with King Joffrey after killing Ned Stark.No matter what kind of explanations are given out in order to explain the act.

Funny, I remember one or two who ended up for Joffrey in the books.

[Kagemusha]

Surely im suggesting no such thing. More likely that you now just have to live with it.