Da Feminism Thread

[Ironside]

Did I say rap music was related to feminism? Take another swing, you might connect.

Rhianna is an atrocious ambassador for women, but her videos get played on Saturday morning shows. THAT tells you something about how permissive the sexualisation of women has become. As to the "Madonna, whore", you missed one "virgin". So great, women used to have three prejudicial states to be classified as now they have two, and "whore" isn't the one that got dropped.

Let see now, you reject that feminists has anything more to do nowadays and I'm going to guess that the rap music video connection is about the sexual liberation for woman. You don't supose a modern feminist might be interested in working against that rap culture? Equality is about more than more sex you know.

Missed with the majuscules. I was talking about the Madonna, you know virgin Mary? It's only two states. And even the Madonna is also problematic for equality viewpoint, since it's assumes that the woman is the lesser gender that you need to protect. Compare to children. Caring for them? Sure. Seeing as equals? No.

And about the Patriarchy. You consider female sexual liberation to be a problem, due to increased objectification. You are noticing the still ongoing strong link of woman value related to sex correct? Both from you and those you oppose (on the objectification matter, I understand that you greatly oppose it). Ergo that old thing are still alive and kicking.

Practically speaking, only women do have to make that choice. Men can choose to be stay-home dads, but all things being equal it doesn't really make economic sense. Two interupted careers mean even more lost income than one, more lost opertunities for advancement, etc. This is even more true of a woman who returns to work, and then has more children - a friend of mine took a year off before her baby was born, her employer had to replace her and when that replacement's contract comes up they will have to make an effort to find them a job too. From a hardheaded business perspective women who have children are an inconvenience if not an actual liability.

At the end of the day, the traditional home/work gender division makes the best use of limited resources.

But in most countries, it's still biased a lot towards the man still working while the female stays home. By the legal system.

I don't remember if this was approved or not, but it's interesting to notice that the compulsary mother only 6 weeks are an improvement from the former EU laws in general. Gender equality indeed.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

This Proposal aims at improving the protection and rights of pregnant women, women who have recently given birth or who are breastfeeding, in order to better protect the interests of mothers and their children.

Maternity leave is extended from 14 to 18 weeks. This corresponds to 12 non-compulsory weeks that women can choose to take before or after confinement and six compulsory weeks after confinement. If the actual date of confinement differs from the presumed date, the period of leave before the birth could be extended without having an effect on the post-natal period. Moreover, additional leave may be granted in the event of premature childbirth, children hospitalised at birth, the birth of children with disabilities and multiple births.

The Proposal should also improve protection for working women and incite them to return to work after giving birth. Thus, during their maternity leave, they should receive a payment that is equal to their full salary. Member States may also however cap the allowance at the same level as for sick leave. In addition, women will have more leeway to choose the time at which they take the non-compulsory part of their leave (before or after birth). They will no longer be obliged to take a specific part of their leave before the birth, which is currently the case in some Member States

The problem with feminism, as with any ideology, is that it causes its followers to view the world through a pair of goggles. Feminism happens also to be a very narrow ideology, such that the vision becomes very narrow. The hole world and all its moments centre on your gender.

Instead of focusing on the real issue, which is the conditions for individuality, feminism tries to reinvent the world in which there exists some sort of vicious conspiracy that aims to humiliate and control some sort of 'womankind'. It's a conspiracy theory light that asks its brave knights to charge against an invisible and non-existant enemy entity ('patriarchy', or whatever; put a name on the dragon).

Feminism is self-defeating because it battles individualism by splitting the humans into two camps, femmes and hommes (an inevitable consequense of a monotonous focus on gender). This while the very core of the problem is that females (as males) may be judged by gender rather than individual capacities.

The problem with going for individualism is focus. It's like peace in the world.

Sure,they are related, but to simply say that all should reach equality and then do nothing because the matter is too large is ineffective.

About patriachry and gender issue. Sure, at some points it becomes silly since it's a blurry concept, but sometimes it's even obvious for a 4 year old.

TBH, the endgame for a race/gender/etc issue, is exactly that it should only give a meh I don't care when it's coming up. Problem is getting there, instead of giving up halfway because you're aren't that much on the recieving end of it, so you don't notice it unless you think about it.

Only by Feminist definitions, those terrible mysoginistic northern miners (steryotype) give all their pay at the end of the week to their wives.

The fact is, if you actually look at very "Patriarchal" cultures, historically, men did a good job of dominating the public sphere but they did an exceedingly poor job of dominating their private relationships with women. Empress Matilda might never have been crowned queen of England but she made life jolly difficult for Stephen and her son did take the throne.

Those bloody Jewish bankers and lawyers. It's obvious that they are the masterminds.

Or more on the point instead of vague references. If it's almost impossible to have domination in the public sphere, some massive channeling on the private sphere occurs amoung ambitious people.
Edit: The evil mother-in-law comes from this powerstruggle btw.