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    Quote Originally Posted by Double A View Post
    Wait...

    I have a fleet?
    You dont? Huh, I guess it was pointless after all.
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    It should be safe to post the losses in this thread, at least. Everyone knows that Greys and Tyrells have many ships, so the loss figures alone won't really be compromising in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    It should be safe to post the losses in this thread, at least. Everyone knows that Greys and Tyrells have many ships, so the loss figures alone won't really be compromising in any way.

    The battle of Whispering Sound:


    7 carracks, 16 caravels, 37 cogs = 318 = 12
    6350 foot, 1050 archers

    VS

    28 Longships, 790 foot, 630 archers and 10 cavalry = 300 = 15

    Inconclusive Iron fleet victory.


    Stannis Baratheon comes from the south east, Highgarden fleet from north east. Iron fleet from north west. Highgarden fleet is intercepted and damaged heavily, forcing it to return to Oldtown. Iron Fleet moves to attack Stannis navy and wins inconclusive victory, attempts to prevent his fleet meeting up with Tyrells at Highgarden, but fails. Blockade of Whispering Sound restarted.

    Casualties:
    Highgarden - 3 carracks damaged, 6 caravels damaged, 7 cogs damaged, 6 sunk. 750 foot lost, 50 archers lost.
    Stannis - 1 carrack damaged, 3 caravels damaged, 5 cogs sunk. 250 foot lost, 100 archers, 5 cavalry lost.

    Ironborn - 4 longships damaged, 50 foot lost, 25 archers lost.
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    Default Re: Westeros: A Game of Thrones.

    Well easy now with the figures, we don't want everyone to know the other's forces :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjos View Post
    Well easy now with the figures, we don't want everyone to know the other's forces :D
    Agreed! The Ironborn would rather that info not come out haha

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    What about my crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    I dont know, what I needed was afew more ships to break stannis' blockade and assumed you had afew, also your lands would have helped pay off the iron bank.
    I doubt it would've made much of an impact. I think I'm the poorest faction, although that may be Stannis. The only redeeming qualities of House Baratheon are Renly, his claim, the other characters (who are probably or definitely outclassed by at least 2 others, depending on the person), and an almost guaranteed alliance with the Tyrells.

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    Eh, if it worked your side would have shattered, if it didnt it would have alienated stannis from highgarden+renly. Add to that a little to none cost and it seemed like a pretty smart plan.
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    Well, considering I could have just asked Stannis to swear on his word if he killed Margaery or not, and no Dornishman would EVER send someone wine from the Arbor, your plan was about as full-proof as the Maginot Line.

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    Yeah, as I said, the only one with a motive was Tywin, had the game continued I'm 100% all Houses would have eventually marched on Casterly :P

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    Well, considering I could have just asked Stannis to swear on his word if he killed Margaery or not, and no Dornishman would EVER send someone wine from the Arbor, your plan was about as full-proof as the Maginot Line.
    No you couldnt, you'd be dead or too peeved off to think straight and I was under no illusion that you'd think it was from Doran. And no I wasnt expecting for highgarden to sit back, why do you think I attempted to invade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Eh, if it worked your side would have shattered, if it didnt it would have alienated stannis from highgarden+renly. Add to that a little to none cost and it seemed like a pretty smart plan.
    As I say, we were planning on blaming you even though we weren't sure that you did it - it would have just given us more ammunition in winning, say, the Riverlands to our cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaexz View Post
    The battle of Whispering Sound:


    7 carracks, 16 caravels, 37 cogs = 318 = 12
    6350 foot, 1050 archers

    VS

    28 Longships, 790 foot, 630 archers and 10 cavalry = 300 = 15

    Inconclusive Iron fleet victory.


    Stannis Baratheon comes from the south east, Highgarden fleet from north east. Iron fleet from north west. Highgarden fleet is intercepted and damaged heavily, forcing it to return to Oldtown. Iron Fleet moves to attack Stannis navy and wins inconclusive victory, attempts to prevent his fleet meeting up with Tyrells at Highgarden, but fails. Blockade of Whispering Sound restarted.

    Casualties:
    Highgarden - 3 carracks damaged, 6 caravels damaged, 7 cogs damaged, 6 sunk. 750 foot lost, 50 archers lost.
    Stannis - 1 carrack damaged, 3 caravels damaged, 5 cogs sunk. 250 foot lost, 100 archers, 5 cavalry lost.

    Ironborn - 4 longships damaged, 50 foot lost, 25 archers lost.
    WTH/// this is totally crazy. the ironborn ought to have the biggest fleet and the strongest too. the fact that i had so few ships i could live with cuz of their strength but that the tyrells would be able to defeat my full strength fleet... next turn?? and i mean i lost 6 longships wotrh a carrack in a surprise attack but the tyrells just lose 6 cogs in a full naval engagement...??? wth


    naval warfare needs a slight fix i think.


    all of this no disrespect to JHT. you did great and i was loving it. sad its restarting.

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    Default Re: Westeros: A Game of Thrones.

    Yeah, it sure does need a fix. Longships are overpowered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double A View Post
    Yeah, it sure does need a fix. Longships are overpowered.
    and the tyrell fleet is oversized. he has like double my numbers... also you could easily replace your entire fleet for me every lost ship was onel ost for good. i could perhaps make 10 more longships before going bankrupt and that means i couldnt pay any upkeep for more turns.
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    and the tyrell fleet is oversized. he has like double my numbers...
    And he can apparently replace the whole thing in 1 turn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger View Post
    and the tyrell fleet is oversized. he has like double my numbers... also you could easily replace your entire fleet for me every lost ship was onel ost for good. i could perhaps make 10 more longships before going bankrupt and that means i couldnt pay any upkeep for more turns.
    I'd be fine with more or cheaper longships as long as they aren't as strong as freaking carracks.

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    The facts are:

    The Ironfleet is nearly 40 longships (as far as I remember), which each carry 1000 men, big. Their banners have hundreds of ships but only small longships, who are used for raiding. In fact the greyjoy fleet is nearly as strong as all fleets of the other Houses together, but that's just as it is. THe greyjoys lack catapults and rams for their ships though.

    Building ships should not be too fast.

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    a 1000 men on their longship wtf.. thats insanely much.

    but ye anyway i dont think my fleet was overly strong compared to tyrells now that i see what happened. definitly if he was just so rich he could buy everything back in 1 turn. im also dissapointed my fleet didnt smash through and burned down the harbor...

    i had forseen stannis his betrayal but i just couldnt account for everything. also the surpirse attacks of the tyrells was the best thing that happened to them and it wasnt even planned. i mean how can i make orders and run a fleet if i have to take into account how my opponents behave and npcs (host) i know nothing about :S

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kival View Post
    The facts are:

    The Ironfleet is nearly 40 longships (as far as I remember), which each carry 1000 men, big. Their banners have hundreds of ships but only small longships, who are used for raiding. In fact the greyjoy fleet is nearly as strong as all fleets of the other Houses together, but that's just as it is. THe greyjoys lack catapults and rams for their ships though.

    Building ships should not be too fast.
    Wiki entry:

    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php...p#note-RaCoK24

    Longships, are used as fast raiding ships in see and land. They can travel twice as swiftly as a merchant cog[5] and carry about 1,000 men, specifically a hundred feet long longship would have about fifty oarsmen and room for about a 100 men on the deck.[6]
    Clash of Kings, Chapter 24, p. 379 (us paperback):

    About a new build ship, not the largest ship (Balons ship and Victarions ship beeing bigger e.g.)

    hundred feet long ....deck enough for hundred men...
    Also described as very fast.

    Here's an answer of the author directly towards that question:

    http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/...Greyjoy_Fleet/

    So, after reread I need to correct my former posting:

    Greyjoys have smaller but fast ships, are not lacking rams (only catapults) but they have really hell of a lot of them and the lord's vessels are comparitively bigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    You dont? Huh, I guess it was pointless after all.
    Double A had a caravel and 5 cogs... I have to admit, the fleet was a big joke, considering even I had 2 carracks, 5 caravels and 10 cogs. (with Saan joining mine on a delay with 5 carracks and 10 caravels)
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    Default Re: Westeros: A Game of Thrones.

    Double A had a caravel and 5 cogs... I have to admit, the fleet was a big joke, considering even I had 2 carracks, 5 caravels and 10 cogs. (with Saan joining mine on a delay with 5 carracks and 10 caravels)
    ...Oh man I wish I knew that sooner, 1000 gold would have given me enough wildfire and ships to totally blow yours out of the water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    ...Oh man I wish I knew that sooner, 1000 gold would have given me enough wildfire and ships to totally blow yours out of the water.
    One thing which should be looked into would be the balance of land and naval forces.Also the cost for rebuilding them. I doubled my fleet last turn and was prepared to outproduce the ironborn no matter how many they would sink. At least they could not replace the marines so easily.
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    Particularly the construction times of fleets should be looked into. As Kage says, even if the Iron Fleet had totally destroyed ours we could just rebuild it in a single turn, which doesn't really seem fair. Of course, we faced the same risk that once we had destroyed their fleet, we couldn't disband our own because it could just be zombified at a relatively minor cost. I suggest that either cost to construct or time to construct (or both) for ships should be increased, and maybe new ships should have a penalty to performance due to having inexperienced crews.

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    Wow, and I was under the impression that one could only build one ship per turn.

    How much money were you guys in anyway?
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    I had 10,000 at start.
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    *cough* game of thrones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    You dont? Huh, I guess it was pointless after all.
    Do you see a major port in my lands? No. You don't. So what the hell would I need ships for?

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    Do you see a major port in my lands? No. You don't. So what the hell would I need ships for?
    I dont know, what I needed was afew more ships to break stannis' blockade and assumed you had afew, also your lands would have helped pay off the iron bank.
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