Westeros: A Game of Thrones.

[Kagemusha]

Kage I think that your admiral did all that he was required to do. In our results post it says that instead of waiting to be enveloped in a pincer movement, my Iron Fleet instead sailed straight at you (I guess we had advance warning of Stannis) and took the fight to avoid being attacked on both sides until you were routed, then we turned on Stannis

My fleet was behind old town upriver.Where it had been most of the time and it was ordered to stay there until you were engaged with the other force.So i doubt you guys sailed through old town to fight my navy. ;)

[scottishranger]

Ah well that is odd haha. Maybe they went out a bit to early I guess and we took advantage of it. I am suprised the losses on both sides were so low though! I expected more

[Double A]

I expected to know what the losses were.

Kage, can you PM me about what the hell happened? Just copypasting the relevant stuff from your orders would probably be good enough, maybe with some commentary if it doesn't make sense.

[Kagemusha]

I expected to know what the losses were.

Kage, can you PM me about what the hell happened? Just copypasting the relevant stuff from your orders would probably be good enough, maybe with some commentary if it doesn't make sense.

Il pm you. Though i dont even know what the losses of Ironborn were. :)

[Greyblades]

Wait...

I have a fleet?

You dont? Huh, I guess it was pointless after all.

[Beskar]

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As for the Navy results, this is what John said to me.

Basically the two blockades being cleared by Highgarden meant that most of the Greyjoy orders were unusable in their current form, and attempting to do most of what they wanted in the timescale led to their navy arriving at the Whispering Sound at virtually the same time yours did. Had I left the Highgarden navy at port, you would have been defeated, probably, and the end result would have been an assault on Highgarden, which probably would have failed but still done more damage than what transpired. Your intent was to join up with Highgarden, the Highgarden spies knew both navies where approaching at approx the same time and attempted to meet up with you. Rolls on all three admirals skill to determine what happened led to a strong Greyjoy advantage so they were able to meet both groups seperately and fight two battles as the larger force, rather than one as the smaller. The damage to your fleet and the Tyrells was relatively light, and you were actually in a strong position, with the new Tyrell shiips mext phase you would have smashed through the blockade.

[Montmorency]

It should be safe to post the losses in this thread, at least. Everyone knows that Greys and Tyrells have many ships, so the loss figures alone won't really be compromising in any way.

[Beskar]

You dont? Huh, I guess it was pointless after all.

Double A had a caravel and 5 cogs... I have to admit, the fleet was a big joke, considering even I had 2 carracks, 5 caravels and 10 cogs. (with Saan joining mine on a delay with 5 carracks and 10 caravels)

[Kagemusha]

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As for the Navy results, this is what John said to me.

Thanks for the information. Now that i know what caused it.It is more easy to understand what happened. In any case like JHT mentioned in his post. I was about to go all Soviet Union on the Ironborn in naval warfare. ;)

[Greyblades]

Double A had a caravel and 5 cogs... I have to admit, the fleet was a big joke, considering even I had 2 carracks, 5 caravels and 10 cogs. (with Saan joining mine on a delay with 5 carracks and 10 caravels)

...Oh man I wish I knew that sooner, 1000 gold would have given me enough wildfire and ships to totally blow yours out of the water.

[Double A]

You dont? Huh, I guess it was pointless after all.

Do you see a major port in my lands? No. You don't. So what the hell would I need ships for?

[Greyblades]

Do you see a major port in my lands? No. You don't. So what the hell would I need ships for?

I dont know, what I needed was afew more ships to break stannis' blockade and assumed you had afew, also your lands would have helped pay off the iron bank.

[Kagemusha]

...Oh man I wish I knew that sooner, 1000 gold would have given me enough wildfire and ships to totally blow yours out of the water.

One thing which should be looked into would be the balance of land and naval forces.Also the cost for rebuilding them. I doubled my fleet last turn and was prepared to outproduce the ironborn no matter how many they would sink. At least they could not replace the marines so easily.

[Beskar]

It should be safe to post the losses in this thread, at least. Everyone knows that Greys and Tyrells have many ships, so the loss figures alone won't really be compromising in any way.

The battle of Whispering Sound:


7 carracks, 16 caravels, 37 cogs = 318 = 12
6350 foot, 1050 archers

VS

28 Longships, 790 foot, 630 archers and 10 cavalry = 300 = 15

Inconclusive Iron fleet victory.


Stannis Baratheon comes from the south east, Highgarden fleet from north east. Iron fleet from north west. Highgarden fleet is intercepted and damaged heavily, forcing it to return to Oldtown. Iron Fleet moves to attack Stannis navy and wins inconclusive victory, attempts to prevent his fleet meeting up with Tyrells at Highgarden, but fails. Blockade of Whispering Sound restarted.

Casualties:
Highgarden - 3 carracks damaged, 6 caravels damaged, 7 cogs damaged, 6 sunk. 750 foot lost, 50 archers lost.
Stannis - 1 carrack damaged, 3 caravels damaged, 5 cogs sunk. 250 foot lost, 100 archers, 5 cavalry lost.

Ironborn - 4 longships damaged, 50 foot lost, 25 archers lost.

[Ishmael]

Particularly the construction times of fleets should be looked into. As Kage says, even if the Iron Fleet had totally destroyed ours we could just rebuild it in a single turn, which doesn't really seem fair. Of course, we faced the same risk that once we had destroyed their fleet, we couldn't disband our own because it could just be zombified at a relatively minor cost. I suggest that either cost to construct or time to construct (or both) for ships should be increased, and maybe new ships should have a penalty to performance due to having inexperienced crews.

[Arjos]

Well easy now with the figures, we don't want everyone to know the other's forces :D

[Montmorency]

Wow, and I was under the impression that one could only build one ship per turn.

How much money were you guys in anyway?

[Greyblades]

I had 10,000 at start.

[Montmorency]

5000. I won't tell you my starting force, however.

[LazyMcCrow]

*cough* game of thrones

[scottishranger]

Well easy now with the figures, we don't want everyone to know the other's forces :D

Agreed! The Ironborn would rather that info not come out haha

[Double A]

What about my crap?

I dont know, what I needed was afew more ships to break stannis' blockade and assumed you had afew, also your lands would have helped pay off the iron bank.

I doubt it would've made much of an impact. I think I'm the poorest faction, although that may be Stannis. The only redeeming qualities of House Baratheon are Renly, his claim, the other characters (who are probably or definitely outclassed by at least 2 others, depending on the person), and an almost guaranteed alliance with the Tyrells.

[Greyblades]

Eh, if it worked your side would have shattered, if it didnt it would have alienated stannis from highgarden+renly. Add to that a little to none cost and it seemed like a pretty smart plan.

[Double A]

Well, considering I could have just asked Stannis to swear on his word if he killed Margaery or not, and no Dornishman would EVER send someone wine from the Arbor, your plan was about as full-proof as the Maginot Line.

[Arjos]

Yeah, as I said, the only one with a motive was Tywin, had the game continued I'm 100% all Houses would have eventually marched on Casterly :P

[Ishmael]

Eh, if it worked your side would have shattered, if it didnt it would have alienated stannis from highgarden+renly. Add to that a little to none cost and it seemed like a pretty smart plan.

As I say, we were planning on blaming you even though we weren't sure that you did it - it would have just given us more ammunition in winning, say, the Riverlands to our cause.

[Greyblades]

Well, considering I could have just asked Stannis to swear on his word if he killed Margaery or not, and no Dornishman would EVER send someone wine from the Arbor, your plan was about as full-proof as the Maginot Line.

No you couldnt, you'd be dead or too peeved off to think straight and I was under no illusion that you'd think it was from Doran. And no I wasnt expecting for highgarden to sit back, why do you think I attempted to invade?

[Double A]

1) Stannis would have just sent a shadow of doom after me if he was worried.
2) Stannis was working with us the turn of the wedding, only a lunatic or a literal retard would try to assassinate someone while at the mercy of his enemy.
3) Your other plans all have failed horribly. Patterns are not to be ignored.

[Montmorency]

Ah, one thing I noticed that my 'RP' of Doran was the exact opposite of his true character. I suppose I'll set that right this time.

[Greyblades]

1) Stannis would have just sent a shadow of doom after me if he was worried.
2) Stannis was working with us the turn of the wedding, only a lunatic or a literal retard would try to assassinate someone while at the mercy of his enemy.
3) You suck at being Tywin.

1. Yes, you're right I should have just used the red priest I had to pretend to be Stannis and-oh wait.
2. Yeah, I know, you working with him was obvious from the get go. Heck, I was surprised you and higarden hadnt attacked already.
3. Dont let this get personal.