Westeros: A Game of Thrones.

[Kival]

The facts are:

The Ironfleet is nearly 40 longships (as far as I remember), which each carry 1000 men, big. Their banners have hundreds of ships but only small longships, who are used for raiding. In fact the greyjoy fleet is nearly as strong as all fleets of the other Houses together, but that's just as it is. THe greyjoys lack catapults and rams for their ships though.

Building ships should not be too fast.

[Beskar]

yes but we paid for the strengtrh with our size. and regarding how dropping and picking up soldiers work, id rather have more ships tthan stronger ones. in this case it wouldve meant more victory even cuz i had to leave a significant amount of my fleet in a part to pick up soliders which never came...

I'd be fine with more or cheaper longships as long as they aren't as strong as freaking carracks.

That is an issue which will be solved. The whole Naval system is getting worked upon. Ships are going to end up dying and they are going to be a pain to replace, especially Carracks. The advantage the Greyjoys have is they can field bigger numbers and just swarm the bigger ships and far easier for them to manufacture and cheaper to keep afloat, which are their effective advantages.

[Ishmael]

So will they suffer in narrow straits, where their manoeuvrability will be impeded?

[The Stranger]

a 1000 men on their longship wtf.. thats insanely much.

but ye anyway i dont think my fleet was overly strong compared to tyrells now that i see what happened. definitly if he was just so rich he could buy everything back in 1 turn. im also dissapointed my fleet didnt smash through and burned down the harbor...

i had forseen stannis his betrayal but i just couldnt account for everything. also the surpirse attacks of the tyrells was the best thing that happened to them and it wasnt even planned. i mean how can i make orders and run a fleet if i have to take into account how my opponents behave and npcs (host) i know nothing about :S

[The Stranger]

That is an issue which will be solved. The whole Naval system is getting worked upon. Ships are going to end up dying and they are going to be a pain to replace, especially Carracks. The advantage the Greyjoys have is they can field bigger numbers and just swarm the bigger ships and far easier for them to manufacture and cheaper to keep afloat, which are their effective advantages.

dont forget about size :P

[Kival]

I'm not sure how it was in John's game, but nearly each small House on coast has a small war galley or something similar too, so calling the banners for lannisters and tyrells should bring also some nice amount of ships (though only minor ones).

[Arjos]

So will they suffer in narrow straits, where their manoeuvrability will be impeded?

Ahm, I speak thinking about Vikings, Liburni and any other people with small vessels in history: one thing they don't lack or gets impaired is manuverability...

[Ishmael]

Well if you cram a lot of small, agile longships into a narrow strait and send heavily armoured ships with catapults and the like at them, there will only be one outcome. Out on the open sea it's a whole different story, of course.

[The Stranger]

is there a possibility of gettign some intervention during battles? i mean its humanly impossible to account for every situation. i had faction orders of about 3,500 words but still many things that were vital i couldnt control :S

this could perhaps happen on that monday, where the faction gets the chance to react to some things that happen? or would that be too much :P

[Montmorency]

Make the game real-time.

[Kival]

The facts are:

The Ironfleet is nearly 40 longships (as far as I remember), which each carry 1000 men, big. Their banners have hundreds of ships but only small longships, who are used for raiding. In fact the greyjoy fleet is nearly as strong as all fleets of the other Houses together, but that's just as it is. THe greyjoys lack catapults and rams for their ships though.

Building ships should not be too fast.

Wiki entry:

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php...p#note-RaCoK24

Longships, are used as fast raiding ships in see and land. They can travel twice as swiftly as a merchant cog[5] and carry about 1,000 men, specifically a hundred feet long longship would have about fifty oarsmen and room for about a 100 men on the deck.[6]

Clash of Kings, Chapter 24, p. 379 (us paperback):

About a new build ship, not the largest ship (Balons ship and Victarions ship beeing bigger e.g.)

hundred feet long ....deck enough for hundred men...

Also described as very fast.

Here's an answer of the author directly towards that question:

http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/...Greyjoy_Fleet/

So, after reread I need to correct my former posting:

Greyjoys have smaller but fast ships, are not lacking rams (only catapults) but they have really hell of a lot of them and the lord's vessels are comparitively bigger.

[The Stranger]

also did the tyrells break both the oldtown and the mander blockade? how did they do that? there were not supposed to be ships there since i took the shield islands :O

[Arjos]

Well if you cram a lot of small, agile longships into a narrow strait and send heavily armoured ships with catapults and the like at them, there will only be one outcome. Out on the open sea it's a whole different story, of course.

Point is the crammed ones would be the large vessels...

also did the tyrells break both the oldtown and the mander blockade? how did they do that? there were not supposed to be ships there since i took the shield islands :O

Think that's Stannis and Renly doing...

[The Stranger]

Wiki entry:

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php...p#note-RaCoK24



Clash of Kings, Chapter 24, p. 379 (us paperback):

About a new build ship, not the largest ship (Balons ship and Victarions ship beeing bigger e.g.)



Also described as very fast.

Here's an answer of the author directly towards that question:

http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/...Greyjoy_Fleet/

So, after reread I need to correct my former posting:

Greyjoys have smaller but fast ships, are not lacking rams (only catapults) but they have really hell of a lot of them and the lord's vessels are comparitively bigger.

the wiki entry is weird i read it before. its prolly a typo 1000 troops is way too much and 100 seems much more likely. its roughly the number john let me transport safely as well. so that was fine only problem was i had so damn few of themso i ahd to split off way too many ships to pick up soldiers which never came... which meant that my fleet was only at 28 ships instead of 40.

[Montmorency]

Everyone would be crammed.

Also, catapults.

[Ishmael]

Point is the crammed ones would be the large vessels...

Well they would both be crammed, but the larger vessels would have the advantage in that type of fighting.

The Stranger, our orders were just to break the Oldtown blockade, but our results suggest we broke two of them. I'm not 100 % sure.

[The Stranger]

oh well im off to bed... :P

[Double A]

Greyjoy are Zerg, everyone else is Protoss.

[Arjos]

Well they would both be crammed, but the larger vessels would have the advantage in that type of fighting.

If you are protecting a strait, your ships are already crammed and incapacitated: the small vessels in such tactical scenario have already won without engaging, all they need to do it to keep the blockade...
Leaving the strait to fight gives again the edge to the small vessels...
Only solution would be to "capture" the small ones locked in a strait...

[Kival]

the wiki entry is weird i read it before. its prolly a typo 1000 troops is way too much and 100 seems much more likely.

I think it's 1000 ships, not troops, though that's insane too!

its roughly the number john let me transport safely as well. so that was fine only problem was i had so damn few of themso i ahd to split off way too many ships to pick up soldiers which never came... which meant that my fleet was only at 28 ships instead of 40.

You should have waited for your banners ;-).

[Double A]

OH NO ONLY 28 CARRACKS WHATEVER SHALL I DO

[White_eyes:D]

I was thinking of a EU3 HRE mechanic for the Iron throne...I found it weird that there was really no blow back after Joffrey murdered Ned. In a feudal system nobles would get nervous about a child who has not even been officially crowned murdering the king's regent without a trial if not outright rebel because of it. And then there was the "Second Greyjoy Rebellion" and the Lannisters didn't even declare war to restore authority to the Iron throne, even when the Riverlands would have bended the knee had he done so.(Greyblades drop the ball there, a whole kingdom was right there for him)


A mechanic like that would give incentive to keep the status quo and try to stay on top. If it adds unnecessary problems don't do it though.

[Greyblades]

And then there was the "Second Greyjoy Rebellion" and the Lannisters didn't even declare war to restore authority to the Iron throne, even when the Riverlands would have bended the knee had he done so.(Greyblades drop the ball there, a whole kingdom was right there for him)

The problem was I kinda paid them to do it. Also far as I knew at the time the greyjoys were the only ones with a fleet that could beat the combined forces of Stannis and Highgarden, which I thought was inevitable, declaring war on them seemed counter-productive. Still I'll know better next time

[Arjos]

I found it weird that there was really no blow back after Joffrey murdered Ned.

Oh yes, no coronation was so peculiar in this game XD

[Greyblades]

Heh, funny story
With all my attention on repositioning my forces, trying to anticipate eddard's escape and generaly being a troll to Stannis... I forgot.

[White_eyes:D]

The problem was I kinda paid them to do it. Also far as I knew at the time the greyjoys were the only ones with a fleet that could beat the combined forces of Stannis and Highgarden, which I thought was inevitable, declaring war on them seemed counter-productive. Still I'll know better next time

I honestly thought that your plan was to have the Greyjoys to attack the Riverlands and then have them sue for peace with me.

Imagine my surprise when Edmure accused me of working with the Greyjoy's....I was thinking "Tywin you..".

I saw that it wasn't part of your plan when the Greyjoys finally spilled the beans on why they attacked(for money).
I pretty much freaked out when I was told that and told him to keep silent about it as it would only make it look worse to the Tully's.

[Greyblades]

I still dont know why they did it, it sure wasnt my idea.

[Double A]

Why didn't Theon die?

[Kival]

Why didn't Theon die?

Starks are too weak-hearted.

[Captain Blackadder]

I still dont know why they did it, it sure wasnt my idea.

Oh your were working with Riverrun that is why I got the response I did when we sent out a possible idea of killing the mountain.